Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker Reactions: SPOILERS

[Mike S]

#ReleaseTheJJCut hashtag trends amid rumors about a different version of new 'Star Wars' movie

"The Rise of Skywalker" dominated the holiday box office but divided the "Star Wars" fan base.

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‘Rise Of Skywalker’ Tops $800M, But ‘Force Awakens’ Set The Bar Too High For ‘Star Wars’

Star Wars: The Force Awakens earned so much more than expected that it convinced Disney and friends that such high-water marks were possible on a semi-regular basis.

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This Is this pompous basterd on Forbes (who has to be on Disney’s payroll)...spinning an elaborate web of excuses and misdirections - including the obvious amnesia of marvel’s existence or even crap like the fast and the furious - to provide cover for what is going on with Star Wars...right now.

But in there is a hidden admission: this movie is gonna end up well below the current frozen total...and contains a likely error in that it will catch lion king domestically.

It was close to the track near lion king after the first weekend...and looked good after a strong Christmas week...but the last 7 days have been a disaster and we are not gonna see any longevity/rebound now...

Chasing the lightning-in-a-bottle triumph of that “first present-tense sequel to Star Wars in 32 years, with Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher returning no less,” was a fool’s errand.

Especially when the biggest one of those 3 was unceremoniously killed off in the middle chapter.

 

[Prince-1]

Guardians of the Galaxy doesn’t equal the prestige of Star Wars. Star Wars is a juggernaut. It could’ve very easily hit Endgame numbers if the cards were played right. This movie was billed as the grand conclusion of the entire saga and at the end of its run it could possibly not even reach the previous movie’s gross. I think the comparison is pretty appropriate.

Sorry but Star Wars had zero chance to come close to Endgame numbers. Even if the new trilogy was a total success it wouldn‘t make it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Sorry but Star Wars had zero chance to come close to Endgame numbers. Even if the new trilogy was a total success it wouldn‘t make it.

Do you know why?

Massive mistakes...not excuses.

Lucas didn’t strengthen the IP in the prequel era...Disney has probably done worse in the DT era...

That is a full analysis in of its self...now 20+ Years in the making.


It’s hard to fully explain if you didn’t live it...or follow it closely to be more accurate.

In the 80’s...most things were out of site, out of mind...Star Wars began to resurface a few years later as almost nothing did. By the early to mid 90’s, new product and EU material was being ravenously consumed...they almost couldn’t get it out fast enough.

And then as the reality of new Star Wars came to fruition...it was almost a mirage...near no one could believe it.

But they made mistakes...and it eroded it longterm...not flops or bankruptcies...but erosion.

Disney got a big free pass/chances...but here we are...many of the same and in ways bigger mistakes. More tangible erosion.


I know it seems odd...but there is absolutely no way to even hint that Star Wars couldn’t be bigger than MCU...that is devoid of the history and context of exactly the tour de force Star Wars was...

It’s amazing.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

Just when I thought two decades of the internet had made me see it all....

I weep for the future of humanity.

 

[Prince-1]

Do you know why?

Massive mistakes...not excuses.

Lucas didn’t strengthen the IP in the prequel era...Disney has probably done worse in the DT era...

That is a full analysis in of its self...now 20+ Years in the making.


It’s hard to fully explain if you didn’t live it...or follow it closely to be more accurate.

In the 80’s...most things were out of site, out of mind...Star Wars began to resurface a few years later as almost nothing did. By the early to mid 90’s, new product and EU material was being ravenously consumed...they almost couldn’t get it out fast enough.

And then as the reality of new Star Wars came to fruition...it was almost a mirage...near no one could believe it.

But they made mistakes...and it eroded it longterm...not flops or bankruptcies...but erosion.

Disney got a big free pass/chances...but here we are...many of the same and in ways bigger mistakes. More tangible erosion.


I know it seems odd...but there is absolutely no way to even hint that Star Wars couldn’t be bigger than MCU...that is devoid of the history and context of exactly the tour de force Star Wars was...

It’s amazing.

Mistakes were made but that’s not the reason. It’s because the Star Wars fan base eroded and shrank. When the original trilogy came out it was a fresh and original and pushed the limits of what could be done. That has been replaced by the Marvel cinematic universe films which is still burning white hot. Fan boys drooling over what was done in the past is not going to make it a juggernaut again.

 

[erasure fan1]

My faith is “significantly less” now...

The streaming service is a good outlet...but I don’t trust the bobs there either...lots of things yet to be determined

I agree. I'm not saying it will happen but if they wanted, it could happen. One way it could happen is if they gave control of star wars over to Feige and Favreau and let them run with it. Like a lot of people, I'm skeptical that Disney will make the right moves. But I've seen what they've let Marvel create so I have to think it could be done. Disney just needs to get its head out of its bum.

 

[LSLS]

Mistakes were made but that’s not the reason. It’s because the Star Wars fan base eroded and shrank. When the original trilogy came out it was a fresh and original and pushed the limits of what could be done. That has been replaced by the Marvel cinematic universe films which is still burning white hot. Fan boys drooling over what was done in the past is not going to make it a juggernaut again.

The Force Awakens is the 4th all time grossing movie (ahead of Infinity Wars). You are going to have a tough time convincing me that this did not have the capability to be a juggernaut.

Even if I accept there was no way it could have the level of End Game, the box office should have been closer to End Game than A Wrinkle in Time.

 

[LSLS]

I agree. I'm not saying it will happen but if they wanted, it could happen. One way it could happen is if they gave control of star wars over to Feige and Favreau and let them run with it. Like a lot of people, I'm skeptical that Disney will make the right moves. But I've seen what they've let Marvel create so I have to think it could be done. Disney just needs to get its head out of its bum.

Of course if that Reddit post is even 50% right it may not matter who they turn the franchise over to until Iger is gone.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Sorry but Star Wars had zero chance to come close to Endgame numbers. Even if the new trilogy was a total success it wouldn‘t make it.

Sure it did. Look at Marvel's Box Office. Outside of Endgame, they had only one other movie that touched the $2 Bill mark and that was Infinity War in 2018. All other movies were in SW range. Black Panther did 1.3 Bil same as Jedi. Civil War did 1.2 Bil. which is probably where RoS will end up. Avengers in '12 and Civil War did Prequel type numbers.

To say the IX had zero chance to come close to Endgame numbers is foolish. Sure it may not have caught the 2.7 Bil that Endgame did, but with proper development and not trying to subvert the fanbase's expectations, IX could/should have surpassed the number done by TFA and been in the mid $2 Bil area.

But it's kinda hard to do that without the main character in the saga and relying on characters that don't connect with no coherent story and a disenfranchised fan base.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

Can we all agree that unstable people should not be counted for in any camp... and should just be universally discounted to 0?

Exactly. Content yourself with the best of those in any opposing camp, not the worst.

Listen to the best arguments, try to understand these. Ignore the popcorn gallery. And the partisan hooligans who are there just for and as a consequence of opposition, they don't provide content, just dualism.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Mistakes were made but that’s not the reason. It’s because the Star Wars fan base eroded and shrank. When the original trilogy came out it was a fresh and original and pushed the limits of what could be done. That has been replaced by the Marvel cinematic universe films which is still burning white hot. Fan boys drooling over what was done in the past is not going to make it a juggernaut again.

What do you mean "again". $2 Billion is a juggernaut. People take the position that TFA was a once in a generation moment. And, yes it was. Which makes the opening weekend of TLJ that much more of a success by only dropping $20 Mil from TFA's opening weekend performance.

Anticipation was sky high for VIII. We were going to see Jedi Master Luke Skywalker again, see how Finn and Poe would evolve as characters, learn a bit more about Snoke, The Knights of Ren, and Phasma. Watch as Rey took steps toward Jedi mastery. Possibly discover her lineage.
I expected one heck of a Clifhanger to end VIII, setting up something epic for IX. - We got Zilch. Nada. Zero. TLJ should have closed in the $1.7 to $1.8 Bil range. It didn't because it lost the core fanbase.

So when we are going into IX - what is it that we are going to see? Nothing was set up. Not even a story. We had a conflicted antagonist, no real villian. A hero who doesn't really connect. I think the entire anticipation for IX was: Do Rey and Kylo "hook up" and what kind of role is Rose Tico going to have. The cliffhanger in TLJ - Broom Boy didn't really do it from the standpoint of who he was and whether or not he (or an older version of him) would be in IX. For a movie with this much going against it, yeah, there's no way it's hitting $2 Bil. That was determined once the closing credits rolled on VIII.

 

[erasure fan1]

Of course if that Reddit post is even 50% right it may not matter who they turn the franchise over to until Iger is gone.

That is a real possibility. But again, the hope rests on what they have allowed Marvel to do. That has been on Igers watch as well. So the question is why did this happen with star wars. Was it that Feige successfully fought for his vision and plans, and Kennedy played the corporate yes sir game? Why did Iger let Pixar and marvel mostly do their own thing? We know both had established creative leadership unlike Lucasfilm. So was it a total bow to shareholders in that they thought they had to get the content out asap. Even though the fondation wasn't there? As a lover of star wars for 40yrs, this whole thing absolutely blows my mind.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

Too bad I had no prior reason to care for them. Maybe if they were both handled better in the two previous movies I’d feel different.

I don't agree with this with Rey, I felt her backstory made us care about her(I think Daisy Ridley is not the strongest actress though, or at least not directed properly, she doesnt make you WANT to pull for her the same way Carrie Fisher or even Felicity Jones did with their characters) but I do agree for Kylo Ren, not enough backstory. He isn't Darth Vader, a faceless scary monster that we had no full understanding of why he went dark until prequals. We saw his face, his emotions, knew his family, but I felt they never really fleshed out why he went so bad, so he stayed kind of one dimensional. The movie did it's best to wrap everything up, but it was hard.
My biggest quibbles are how goofy this hidden fleet was. Where did all the materials and ship builders come from to keep it hidden? They all have star killer cannons? Where did they find enough soldiers to fly them?

 

[jt04]

That is a real possibility. But again, the hope rests on what they have allowed Marvel to do. That has been on Igers watch as well. So the question is why did this happen with star wars. Was it that Feige successfully fought for his vision and plans, and Kennedy played the corporate yes sir game? Why did Iger let Pixar and marvel mostly do their own thing? We know both had established creative leadership unlike Lucasfilm. So was it a total bow to shareholders in that they thought they had to get the content out asap. Even though the fondation wasn't there? As a lover of star wars for 40yrs, this whole thing absolutely blows my mind.

JJ made the most of the disastrous ep 8. This episode stopped that bleeding and that is what it needed to do. Ep 8 alienated a lot of fans who won't be easily won back. The Mandolorian is doing just that.

Ep 9 also is very well rated by younger audiences who are the future of the franchise. So that was also an important goal of tying up the Skywalker saga with a perfect bow.

The cynicism of many gen X'ers is a very dark realm. I avoid it at all costs.

 

[Mike S]

I don't agree with this with Rey, I felt her backstory made us care about her(I think Daisy Ridley is not the strongest actress though, or at least not directed properly, she doesnt make you WANT to pull for her the same way Carrie Fisher or even Felicity Jones did with their characters) but I do agree for Kylo Ren, not enough backstory. He isn't Darth Vader, a faceless scary monster that we had no full understanding of why he went dark until prequals. We saw his face, his emotions, knew his family, but I felt they never really fleshed out why he went so bad, so he stayed kind of one dimensional. The movie did it's best to wrap everything up, but it was hard.
My biggest quibbles are how goofy this hidden fleet was. Where did all the materials and ship builders come from to keep it hidden? They all have star killer cannons? Where did they find enough soldiers to fly them?

I was on board with Rey until she became a Mary Sue. The first half of Force Awakens she was very compelling.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

I was on board with Rey until she became a Mary Sue. The first half of Force Awakens she was very compelling.

An interesting article I read the other day said the franchise missed an opportunity to bury both the Sith and Jedi stuff, by having Rey be neither(I guess it can still go that way). The idea is that the Sith is wrong(going full dark, trying to take the world over etc) and the Jedi way isn't right either (monistic life, bury feelings, no love or family) and obviously flawed in that they can't even see big threats like Palaptine, tand Kylo coming till its too late. The writer had wished it was not Light beating Dark again, but rather, Rey being a hybrid that loves and feels but not falling to darkness.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Mistakes were made but that’s not the reason. It’s because the Star Wars fan base eroded and shrank. When the original trilogy came out it was a fresh and original and pushed the limits of what could be done. That has been replaced by the Marvel cinematic universe films which is still burning white hot. Fan boys drooling over what was done in the past is not going to make it a juggernaut again.

You’re assuming it’s a forgone conclusion it would shrink.

Good material would have immediately counteracted that...

People forget: marvel comics was a marginal, kinda archaic thing not long before Disney bought it...the MCU is responsible for the resurgence of interest...not the source material.

A dying print enterprise that peaked in the late 60’s...if we’re honest

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I agree. I'm not saying it will happen but if they wanted, it could happen. One way it could happen is if they gave control of star wars over to Feige and Favreau and let them run with it. Like a lot of people, I'm skeptical that Disney will make the right moves. But I've seen what they've let Marvel create so I have to think it could be done. Disney just needs to get its head out of its bum.

They don’t have good leadership at LFL...that is abundantly clear.

The problem with Disney + is this: Bob is heading out the door...and I’ve long thought the 2019 movie slate and the launch of plus is strategically timed...

He’s “high pointing” the stock price as a gift to himself.

That material they’ve put up is EXPENSIVE to make...
Why is everyone assuming the goal is to make a lot of new material? They could have 100,000,000 subscribers and be in no hurry to spend more on it...including Star Wars.

It’s not like Disney hasn’t stagnated their material before to make profits...and we all have seen chapek sith like
Tendencies

 

[The_Jobu]

Now those are some toxic fans

 

[Joesixtoe]

Now those are some toxic fans

Is all this because of reylo or just the movie in general?? This is some sick stuff either way