Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker Reactions: SPOILERS

[Joesixtoe]

Now those are some toxic fans

After reading this, I hope no one accuses anyone on these boards as "toxic fans."

 

[The_Jobu]

Is all this because of reylo or just the movie in general?? This is some sick stuff either way

Shippers are a weird group, a lot of them are full blown coo-coo berries. Kinda like furries.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Is all this because of reylo or just the movie in general?? This is some sick stuff either way

Both. It's not woke enough. Doesn't meet the Bechdel Test. Not enough diversity. Doesn't rail against gun violence. Promotes unhealthy views on sexuality. - Because we ALL know that Finn and Poe are a couple. And the fact that they didn't kiss, but two background characters do. Well, it's kinda weird.

'Rise of Skywalker' spoilers: Star Wars isn't progressive, and it never was

ed 'The Rise of Skywalker' failed to be woke? We might expect too much of this franchise.

www.inverse.com

 

[The_Jobu]

Both. It's not woke enough. Doesn't meet the Bechdel Test. Not enough diversity. Doesn't rail against gun violence. Promotes unhealthy views on sexuality. - Because we ALL know that Finn and Poe are a couple. And the fact that they didn't kiss, but two background characters do. Well, it's kinda weird.

'Rise of Skywalker' spoilers: Star Wars isn't progressive, and it never was

ed 'The Rise of Skywalker' failed to be woke? We might expect too much of this franchise.

www.inverse.com

You should see how crazy these people got when they didn’t give Elsa a girlfriend

 

[MisterPenguin]

Both. It's not woke enough. Doesn't meet the Bechdel Test. Not enough diversity. Doesn't rail against gun violence. Promotes unhealthy views on sexuality. - Because we ALL know that Finn and Poe are a couple. And the fact that they didn't kiss, but two background characters do. Well, it's kinda weird.

'Rise of Skywalker' spoilers: Star Wars isn't progressive, and it never was

ed 'The Rise of Skywalker' failed to be woke? We might expect too much of this franchise.

www.inverse.com

Not to mention how human-centric all the characters are and how the non-human aliens are mostly comic relief or incompetent or evil and get Earth-ethnic accents. [Remember, I said 'mostly,' so, put your Yoda away.]

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

After reading this, I hope no one accuses anyone on these boards as "toxic fans."

Many on these boards have not so subtlety “hinted” that people like you and I are “toxic fans”...the “five angry guy” theory again.

It’s because we question disney...plain and simple.
Those people should now apologize for months/years Of that type of backhanded stuff...but they won’t. Such is life.

Both. It's not woke enough. Doesn't meet the Bechdel Test. Not enough diversity. Doesn't rail against gun violence. Promotes unhealthy views on sexuality. - Because we ALL know that Finn and Poe are a couple. And the fact that they didn't kiss, but two background characters do. Well, it's kinda weird.

'Rise of Skywalker' spoilers: Star Wars isn't progressive, and it never was

ed 'The Rise of Skywalker' failed to be woke? We might expect too much of this franchise.

www.inverse.com

To fuel their Fire...Oscar Isaac gave comments yesterday indicating that the Finn/Poe thing was vetoed by the dwarf house in Burbank...

Oh boy...you think these people are amped up now? It’s only the beginning


Just google “Star Wars” and look at the news tab...
There are dozens of stories going in a million directions...on all topics.

But most are trending “bad” in their tone and inferences.

Disney mucked it up...essentially

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

An interesting article I read the other day said the franchise missed an opportunity to bury both the Sith and Jedi stuff, by having Rey be neither(I guess it can still go that way). The idea is that the Sith is wrong(going full dark, trying to take the world over etc) and the Jedi way isn't right either (monistic life, bury feelings, no love or family) and obviously flawed in that they can't even see big threats like Palaptine, tand Kylo coming till its too late. The writer had wished it was not Light beating Dark again, but rather, Rey being a hybrid that loves and feels but not falling to darkness.

That would have been interesting. My complaint about Rey's story is that she was always good, and being related to Palpatine had zero impact on her character or story arc.

Instead of "killing" Chewie and being horrified, I wish she had used force lighting for good (for example, destroys a Tie Fighter that's about to shoot her friends), and thought - hey, this is a handy power that I could use for good.

Anakin had that type of story. He became evil, but his initial thought was that if just one person was in charge of everyone, it would be simple and effective. There was a logic behind his actions that wasn't completely black and white in terms of good vs. evil.

There should have been that type of suspense, the feeling that Rey might actually take up the Emperor's offer of the throne as her birthright, because Sith powers aren't all bad and she could do good (and I still think it's a plausible theory that healing is a Sith power and that it could result in a huge twist in the Mandalorian). Admittedly, it might have felt repetitive compared to Anakin and Kylo's stories, but at least it would have offered some tension and mystery instead of a predictable and straight forward outcome.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

There should have been that type of suspense, the feeling that Rey might actually take up the Emperor's offer of the throne as her birthright,

There was no doubt that as of Episode VII that Kylo would be "redeemed" as well. It was all very predictable. I still think they would have been better off ending this with 2 movies rather than one. That would have been a good end-point for IX - having Rey lean toward what you suggested and then picked up that story with X (which could have been released next December).

 

[MisterPenguin]

Just FYI: As we go into this weekend, RoS has alredy pretty much broke even (using standard rule-of-thumb calculations, give or take a few million).

Anything it makes from this point on is profit.

Just a point of information.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

Do you know why?

Massive mistakes...not excuses.

Lucas didn’t strengthen the IP in the prequel era...Disney has probably done worse in the DT era...

That is a full analysis in of its self...now 20+ Years in the making.


It’s hard to fully explain if you didn’t live it...or follow it closely to be more accurate.

In the 80’s...most things were out of site, out of mind...Star Wars began to resurface a few years later as almost nothing did. By the early to mid 90’s, new product and EU material was being ravenously consumed...they almost couldn’t get it out fast enough.

And then as the reality of new Star Wars came to fruition...it was almost a mirage...near no one could believe it.

But they made mistakes...and it eroded it longterm...not flops or bankruptcies...but erosion.

Disney got a big free pass/chances...but here we are...many of the same and in ways bigger mistakes. More tangible erosion.


I know it seems odd...but there is absolutely no way to even hint that Star Wars couldn’t be bigger than MCU...that is devoid of the history and context of exactly the tour de force Star Wars was...

It’s amazing.

Star Wars, the best of Star Wars, occupies a larger secret spot in the hearts of more men, and many women too, than they would let on.

I really don't know of many devotions of similar size. Disney parks for one. Disney movies too. Harry Potter - the secret inner world of an enormous amount of women, and many men too. Childhood worlds that create a lifelong emotional beholding. There certainly was/is a massive audience for Star Wars.

 

[tk924]

Here's one of my biggest problems with Disney's Trilogy.

I think this is from the latest Ultimate Guide released after TROS...

And the fact that they had the backstory edited out because "fans didn't need to know"?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Just FYI: As we go into this weekend, RoS has alredy pretty much broke even (using standard rule-of-thumb calculations, give or take a few million).

Anything it makes from this point on is profit.

Just a point of information.

FYI: you are correct

Also FYI: there are a lot of angry meetings going on in Burbank and/or the Presidio and heads are more than likely still gonna roll...

The idea of Kennedy being “reassigned” is gaining traction. And if she hadn’t somehow insulated herself with this new breed of “equality hate peddlers” that we’ve been commenting on in the press/social media...she would likely have already been canned.

Star Wars, the best of Star Wars, occupies a larger secret spot in the hearts of more men, and many women too, than they would let on.

I really don't know of many devotions of similar size. Disney parks for one. Disney movies too. Harry Potter - the secret inner world of an enormous amount of women, and many men too. Childhood worlds that create a lifelong emotional beholding. There certainly was/is a massive audience for Star Wars.

Yes!! Absolutely fantastic insight on this, Lil

 

[tk924]

The idea of Kennedy being “reassigned” is gaining traction.

Yes, please.

And if she hadn’t somehow insulated herself with this new breed of “equality hate peddlers” that we’ve been commenting on in the press/social media...she would likely have already been canned.

Could not come soon enough. If not for Rogue One and The Mandalorian, Star Wars would be done, IMO.
Give Favreau and Filoni creative control over LFL. They get it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Could not come soon enough. If not for Rogue One and The Mandalorian, Star Wars would be done, IMO.
Give Favreau and Filoni creative control over LFL. They get it.

Im not sure either wants it....it makes them suits/salesman more than story and filmmakers

But they need a creative head that can identify the directors/writers who can add to a UNIFIED vision.

A feige...basically. One that can advocate for a vision...do the conventions...get filthy rich while doing it

The entertainment version of Scott boras

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Star Wars, the best of Star Wars, occupies a larger secret spot in the hearts of more men, and many women too, than they would let on.

I really don't know of many devotions of similar size. Disney parks for one. Disney movies too. Harry Potter - the secret inner world of an enormous amount of women, and many men too. Childhood worlds that create a lifelong emotional beholding. There certainly was/is a massive audience for Star Wars.

It's a huge and diverse fan base. This is something some people can't grasp, as they insist that Kennedy or Johnson or Iger or whoever be removed so someone can make Star Wars that everyone will love. It's ridiculous. It's fine that some people like certain movies and others don't. It's inevitable in fact, and it doesn't make anyone right or wrong or less of a fan.

The level of devotion causes a lot of obsessiveness as well, to the point where one questions people's mental health. From the death threats because certain characters weren't used enough or in a certain way, to posting daily rants about the Last Jedi, two years later. It's all so unhealthy.

It's a fun series of movies where people shoot at each other from spaceships and clash with laser swords. Yes, there's an emotional connection beyond that for many of us, but at the end of the day it's just a series of fun, and often silly movies.

 

[Mike S]

Here's one of my biggest problems with Disney's Trilogy.

I think this is from the latest Ultimate Guide released after TROS...

And the fact that they had the backstory edited out because "fans didn't need to know"?

This was more of a necessity than Poe’s ex that’s only on screen for like a minute and a half. Is it just me or did Disney go even further than Lucas with making useless new characters simply for merchandising? Phasma, Zorii, Sith Troopers, etc.

 

[Tony Perkis]

The Force Awakens is the 4th all time grossing movie (ahead of Infinity Wars). You are going to have a tough time convincing me that this did not have the capability to be a juggernaut.

Even if I accept there was no way it could have the level of End Game, the box office should have been closer to End Game than A Wrinkle in Time.

Some people really don’t understand the concept of “lightening in a bottle”.

 

[Tony Perkis]

Both. It's not woke enough. Doesn't meet the Bechdel Test. Not enough diversity. Doesn't rail against gun violence. Promotes unhealthy views on sexuality. - Because we ALL know that Finn and Poe are a couple. And the fact that they didn't kiss, but two background characters do. Well, it's kinda weird.

'Rise of Skywalker' spoilers: Star Wars isn't progressive, and it never was

ed 'The Rise of Skywalker' failed to be woke? We might expect too much of this franchise.

www.inverse.com

 

[Mike S]

Some people really don’t understand the concept of “lightening in a bottle”.

Yeah. Especially at Disney. All they had to do was give us the Luke Skywalker we remembered that wouldn’t ever give up on his friends or family but now as a wiser and more powerful Jedi Master. Lightening in a bottle handed to them with one of the most beloved heros in pop culture.

 

[Tony Perkis]

Yeah. Especially at Disney. All they had to do was give us the Luke Skywalker we remembered that wouldn’t ever give up on his friends or family but now as a wiser and more powerful Jedi Master. Lightening in a bottle handed to them with one of the most beloved heros in pop culture.

Last Action Hero Luke would have been an atrocious thematic decision.