Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker Reactions: SPOILERS

[MisterPenguin]

so that the two male ones can be "put in their place" and never evolving a single one of them.

Yeah, but while they were putting Poe in his place, they were both leering at him and making comments about how his hotness excuses his actions. So, they gave Poe the best compliment ever: he's pretty!!

That is surely enough to show how important he is!

 

[Professortango1]

Na, Johnson was more concerned with subverting expectations.. every single expectation was answered to the least desirable effect, so that it subverted our expectations ya!! U got me Rian. U wanna see Luke fight?? I'll give u a stick fight, and when he shows a saber, psst he isnt really there!! Hehe... Rey a Skywalker?? Naw shes nobody, hows that? No one... Snoke, who's this big old dude?? Doesn't matter he's dead.. one subverted expectation is good, every set up from TFA subverted makes you feel kinda trolled. I bet he had good intentions at heart, but just didn't translate to well for the story.

Why would I want Rey to be a Skywalker? That just makes this universe feel even smaller. Having her be a nobody was exciting. It meant that the Force was bigger than just one family. We see the stable kid at the end using the Force, letting us know that this idea will be important in the future. Until JJ drops the ball. The Emperor was just some big old dude with powers in the OT. We didn't need a backstory. And since I've already seen a robed Sith big boss, I didn't really need to see that again. Instead Johnson killed that idea and kept the story with our leads. This wasn't going to just be a repeat of Jedi, instead we were getting something new. Kylo wasn't interested in being a Sith Lord, he wanted to destroy the past and create a new world order. No more black and white. That was so interesting to watch. If the movie would have ended there it would have been incredible.

JJ had steered us directly at the same boring plot points we had seen before. Johnson turned those into new ideas and ways to expand the SW universe.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Why would I want Rey to be a Skywalker? That just makes this universe feel even smaller. Having her be a nobody was exciting. It meant that the Force was bigger than just one family. We see the stable kid at the end using the Force, letting us know that this idea will be important in the future. Until JJ drops the ball. The Emperor was just some big old dude with powers in the OT. We didn't need a backstory. And since I've already seen a robed Sith big boss, I didn't really need to see that again. Instead Johnson killed that idea and kept the story with our leads. This wasn't going to just be a repeat of Jedi, instead we were getting something new. Kylo wasn't interested in being a Sith Lord, he wanted to destroy the past and create a new world order. No more black and white. That was so interesting to watch. If the movie would have ended there it would have been incredible.

JJ had steered us directly at the same boring plot points we had seen before. Johnson turned those into new ideas and ways to expand the SW universe.

And this is the disconnect with the Rian Johnson fanbois.

Take SW in a new direction. Fine. There are a lot of places it could have went (and can still go). But you don't take it somewhere to the detriment of 40 years of storytelling. You don't retcon the original trilogy. Ever. Period. Johnson, Abrams and Disney are all guilty. It's all in the results. And I guarantee you that the results weren't what Disney was expecting.

 

[Minthorne]

All I can say of this movie is it may be a record for number of Deus Ex Machina plot twists.

And speaking of Deus ex Machina - with Palpatine floating around on his robotic arm does anyone else expect some new food item in GE call an Emperor on a Stick?

 

[Professortango1]

Review: 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' is here to remind you just how good 'The Last Jedi' was

The ninth episode of the overarching "Star Wars" saga is a zippy entertainment — and a craven disappointment.

www.latimes.com

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Is it not possible that Lucas, Johnson and Abrams all have made some poor decisions regarding Star Wars that can be criticized on their own terms?

It’s not possible...it’s confirmed.

JJ also responded to memes about Chewie not getting a medal or a hug. JJ and Disney were looking to try and appease SW fanbois and look at the mess they created. 57% RT score isn't much of an "endoresement." Johnson created a much better film and the critics agreed. Unfortunately the man-children of the world didn't want a good movie, they wanted to be coddled and told they were special. More proof that the SW fan killed Star Wars.

This is perhaps the dumbest of millennial theories/excuses I’ve ever seen. Well done.

Star Wars fans accepted it and took the 3 great movies and changed entertainment culture with it. Phenomenon.

The bar was set high...lucas and Disney failed it because they tried to dictate where the money would come from...instead of following the trail to where it did come from.
Turn the page.

So it's all the fan's fault that people didn't care for a blockbuster movie that ultimately was just a rehash of existing plot mechanisms with almost no originality?

Instead of blaming fans for imaginary hate... maybe you and Iger should step back and start to accept people JUST DIDN'T LIKE YOUR PRODUCT

Yep. The kids still don’t get this

They made TFA and the original parts were good. TLJ was great and was acclaimed. Then TROS...they backpedaled because of fan reactions to their acclaimed film. Check those boxes. Just give them what they want.

The last Jedi was made by someone who apparently watched Star Wars with his brain asleep...missed everything that made the originals appealing in it.

But that admiral hodo thing was cool

5, 4, 6, 9, 3, 7, 1, 2, 8.

I haven’t seen 9...but I can only hope I end up with the same rankings...thought Jedi is 1/2 for me.

The narrative change has been fascinating here. I have said this is the true litmus test for if the last jedi backlash was just a small minority or not. Interesting how it has moved from "everyone loved it except for a small very vocal minority " to "critics said it was great, the fans are idiots."

Any Star Wars that is more than 10% “divisive” is ultimately a fail...it’s the “long game” that made Star Wars what it is.

 

[Tony Perkis]

And this is the disconnect with the Rian Johnson fanbois.

Take SW in a new direction. Fine. There are a lot of places it could have went (and can still go). But you don't take it somewhere to the detriment of 40 years of storytelling. You don't retcon the original trilogy. Ever. Period. Johnson, Abrams and Disney are all guilty. It's all in the results. And I guarantee you that the results weren't what Disney was expecting.

Insinuating that fans of TLJ just don’t get it is rather insulting. You aren’t the arbitrator of what Star Wars is or what it should be, thank God.

 

[Tony Perkis]

Any Star Wars that is more than 10% “divisive” is ultimately a fail...it’s the “long game” that made Star Wars what it is.

This is Disney’s ambition-less corporate motto right here.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Review: 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' is here to remind you just how good 'The Last Jedi' was

The ninth episode of the overarching "Star Wars" saga is a zippy entertainment — and a craven disappointment.

www.latimes.com

Written by this guy?




Got it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This is Disney’s ambition-less corporate motto right here.

It is...

But it’s definition 2...

Definition 1 - the Star Wars one - is:
“A strong character based fantasy using familiar human themes and tropes that used music and superb pacing to tell what seemed like a 15 hour story in just over sixth while having Socio-political nuance and stunning filmmaking technology as the “side shows” to the core emotional appeal”



You might have missed this factoid: if people are split down the middle and raging on which episode was “great” and which “sucked”...that’s not really Star Wars because it didn’t suck when it was new and they were limited.

See: prequels, the.


Really hard to defend any studio that trips over their feet. Just had to write coherent character stories and put them in enough tactile sets and the fans will mellow out.

We’ve seen no commitment to that.

 

[LSLS]

Why would I want Rey to be a Skywalker? That just makes this universe feel even smaller. Having her be a nobody was exciting. It meant that the Force was bigger than just one family.

I'll fully admit I know next to nothing on Star Wars compared to a lot here, but wasn't this established quite a long time ago? I mean, it's not something new Johnson came up with that the Force isn't just a gene trait, right?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Written by this guy?




Got it.

Ouch...

Twitter is good for “agenda sniffing” ain’t it??

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'll fully admit I know next to nothing on Star Wars compared to a lot here, but wasn't this established quite a long time ago? I mean, it's not something new Johnson came up with that the Force isn't just a gene trait, right?

Correct...the force was an extra sensory power passed along biological lines since 15 minutes into Star Wars in 1977...

Lucas foolishly tinkered with that in 1999...abrams and Johnson drove it off a Cliff.

This is so stupid...trying to tell people things “aren’t what they are” when the movies told everyone what they were and it wasn’t debated for several decades

 

[Tony Perkis]

Written by this guy?




Got it.

It’s clear you didn’t read the article, because the author brings up several interesting and valid points.

You’re very hung up on the idea of manhood getting challenged.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Insinuating that fans of TLJ just don’t get it is rather insulting. You aren’t the arbitrator of what Star Wars is or what it should be, thank God.

Fans of the last Johnson just don’t get it...That was some dipstick hipster beard director’s foolish notion that he could remold core pop culture...how stupid.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It’s clear you didn’t read the article, because the author brings up several interesting and valid points.

You’re very hung up on the idea of manhood getting challenged.

No...we’re hung up on the notion that fantasy adventures have to “advance society” and not just provide diversion/escape.

The original Star Wars did just that in a more turbulent time from a political and social perspective ...especially in the United States

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

It’s clear you didn’t read the article, because the author brings up several interesting and valid points.

You’re very hung up on the idea of manhood getting challenged.

"What’s striking about so many of this year’s men-in-trouble movies is how women don’t factor into the stories or solutions. This marginalization isn’t new. But it is arresting given how very loudly and insistently women have been broadcasting their presence, demands, grievances, traumas, desires and plans for the future. The feminist resurgence of the 2000s that has affected every sphere of American life, both in public office and in the streets, has seeped into the movie industry, long a citadel of male power. That power has responded with apologies, promises to do better and some directing jobs for women. It also keeps making movies about how hard it is to be a man.

Feminism had an impact on Hollywood, whatever the industry’s reluctance. But it’s no surprise that an industry long dominated by men has resisted sharing power with women. In the decades since Haskell sent out her warning, the industry has rationalized, and normalized, its discrimination with every possible excuse: the market, fan demand, creative “vision.” It invested in male-driven blockbusters (from “Jaws” to “Avengers”), elevated boy geniuses and hired male hacks over qualified women. It still does. Some male filmmakers — themselves liberated, perhaps by feminist mothers and partners — make stories with gentle, sensitive men who are already good dads and thoughtful spouses, and who can share, care and cry. "

I think I understand what a feminist is. Thanks.

 

[Tony Perkis]

It is...

But it’s definition 2...

Definition 1 - the Star Wars one - is:
“A strong character based fantasy using familiar human themes and tropes that used music and superb pacing to tell what seemed like a 15 hour story in just over sixth while having Socio-political nuance and stunning filmmaking technology as the “side shows” to the core emotional appeal”



You might have missed this factoid: if people are split down the middle and raging on which episode was “great” and which “sucked”...that’s not really Star Wars because it didn’t suck when it was new and they were limited.

See: prequels, the.


Really hard to defend any studio that trips over their feet. Just had to write coherent character stories and put them in enough tactile sets and the fans will mellow out.

We’ve seen no commitment to that.

This is the primary point that fans of TLJ have been trying to get across for days now: there isn’t, or shouldn’t be, an exact definition of what Star Wars is.

We don’t want there to be a template/blueprint of what you can and cannot do. We don’t want the same familiar tropes and structures across each film. We don’t want a film that most people like; we want a film that people can love, but which also can divide audiences, because then you know that the filmmakers took thematic and character risks.

When you look at the 9 film saga, there are really only 2 films that veered away from the standard series tropes: The Empire Strikes Back, and The Last Jedi. And lo and behold, those are two with the most heightened audience reactions.

They may work, they may not. But we can appreciate and admire the ambition.

When I’m critiquing a film or a film series, I’m not doing it from the lenses of the corporate entity; I’m doing so from the vantage point of a fan of film, and well as the series, so Disney making a film that could alienate certain segments of is not part of any equation to me.

 

[Tony Perkis]

Fans of the last Johnson just don’t get it...That was some dipstick hipster beard director’s foolish notion that he could remold core pop culture...how stupid.

It’s difficult to take such absurd irrationalities like this seriously.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Insinuating that fans of TLJ just don’t get it is rather insulting. You aren’t the arbitrator of what Star Wars is or what it should be, thank God.

Don’t try to convince him his opinion on a given movie isn’t the only valid one. He just doesn’t get it.