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Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker Reactions: SPOILERS
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Okay so I just watched TFA and Last Jedi (as painful as it was) again. Do you realize the potential Snoke had (Ol' Roundtop didn't). Man, with a little development on VIII - IX could have been The Knights of Ren, Kylo, Snoke and Phasma vs, a Bad Fin, Poe, Rey and Luke (but muffin-head killed him off). That would have been Endgame stuff right there. You're talking Billions. Plural. Not struggling to reach one and make a small profit.
But Muffin-head didn't want to build on anything. He wanted to talk about animal rights, develop Rose Tico and Vice Amiral Holdo, have Leia fly through space, “drop” bombs in space, retcon light speed, visit Cantobite, and bastardize Star Wars. What a waste. Iger this is ALL on you. Kennedy-You're an idiot.
But Muffin-head didn't want to build on anything. He wanted to talk about animal rights, develop Rose Tico and Vice Amiral Holdo, have Leia fly through space, “drop” bombs in space, retcon light speed, visit Cantobite, and bastardize Star Wars. What a waste. Iger this is ALL on you. Kennedy-You're an idiot.
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choco choco
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Holy cow! Rise of Skywalker is an unmitigated disaster. On the shortlist for one of the worst films of the year, and brings to mind not another one of the Star Wars film but Colin Treverrow's putrid Jurassic World.
It doesn't feel like a single person was trying. Not Kathleen Kennedy, not one of the screenwriters, certainly not Abrams, who directs like he's back on his tv show Alias. John William's doesnt even put in a good effort, and he considers this his life work.
The actors are saddled with awful material and seem to know it. ILM's special effects seem to miss the boat, going for in bombast what they can't make up for in true creative inspiration.
There is no qualms about it, this is the worst of all the nine Star Wars films by a wide margin. It's more a video gamers idea of Star Wars than a cinematic one, and I guess we are where we are with JJ Abrams at this point, even though I'd never been sure how much to pin on him because he seems such like such a corporate stooge. But every one of his movies across all studios is like the mad ramblings of an unsound mind. The most oft used word to describe this movie by reviews is "incoherent" and well, that's exactly it, isnt it?
It doesn't feel like a single person was trying. Not Kathleen Kennedy, not one of the screenwriters, certainly not Abrams, who directs like he's back on his tv show Alias. John William's doesnt even put in a good effort, and he considers this his life work.
The actors are saddled with awful material and seem to know it. ILM's special effects seem to miss the boat, going for in bombast what they can't make up for in true creative inspiration.
There is no qualms about it, this is the worst of all the nine Star Wars films by a wide margin. It's more a video gamers idea of Star Wars than a cinematic one, and I guess we are where we are with JJ Abrams at this point, even though I'd never been sure how much to pin on him because he seems such like such a corporate stooge. But every one of his movies across all studios is like the mad ramblings of an unsound mind. The most oft used word to describe this movie by reviews is "incoherent" and well, that's exactly it, isnt it?
Mike S
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Instead we have an $176 million opening. Lower than both previous Star Wars movies let alone Endgame’s $357 million.
HEY!!!!!!!
I liked Jurassic World. Unlike these movies it hit all the right notes.
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It would have also opened up so many possibilities for Disney+ to explore the time between RotJ and TFA. How did Snoke get to be Snoke? How did Phasma get to be Phasma? What were some of the storylines for the Knights of Ren. How menacing were they?
I mean they still could do something on that level, but, due to the under development of these characters. Nobody really cares at this point.
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Palp and Snoke are such Mary Sues. They happen to have enough Force power by themselves to remain hidden from hundreds of Force users. They can shut down two or more of the most powerful Jedi/Force-users with little effort.
And we never saw them train!!!!!
And we never saw them train!!!!!
When Palps was introduced in the OT he was already Palps. When Snoke was introduced in TFA he was already Snoke. The prequels did delve a bit into Palps story, but there is more room to define it. Snoke's entire backstory could be explored (but not a lot of people really care - right about now.)
We caught Rey from the beginning. Unless she went through tireless Jedi training at the age of 14 (maybe Baby Yoda trained her) - There's not a whole heck of a lot to explore with her backstory. Seems she just inherited it from Gandpops. She was Mary Sue material on day one.
mf1972
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there’s an idea for an animated spinoff...how to train your sith lord
Instead of a character called "Toothless", they can give a role to Rian Johnson and call his character "Clueless".
Mike S
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Palpatine did have a master though and he was only able to hide because the Jedi of the time had lost their way.
Jedi Stitch
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I Liked the movie. I also liked how Abrams did a decent enough job to reconnect the previous two movies. Johnson should not have had full power in in XIII, but to late now. Being their from the beginning, I felt it was a nice close. Yes, from the originals, the digital remastering, to the the prequels, to these it is what it is.
Movie wasn't terrible on it's own. I agree that Abrams fought an uphill battle. He got very little opportunity to payoff the things he set up in TFA. The end of the Skywalker story (and the Disney Trilogy for that matter) should have been about a coherent story line with nothing but payoffs (from all eras). Sadly, we never got there.
So we ended up getting MacGuffins. We gotta find this thing, so it can lead us to that thing, which can then lead us to this place.
RoS is definitely not as good as anything in the OT (and it's not really fair to compare anything with those - as it's impossible to live up to that expectation).
IMO it also falls behind Revenge of the Sith. Still trying to figure out if it's better than TFA. I saw TFA five times in the theater. And yes, it was a reboot. But other than Luke, it treated the main characters okay. I was pleased that they gave Han a last ride.
Going back to watch RoS (once, maybe two more times - which is once or twice more than I returned to see TLJ). It is better than episodes 1,2, and 8 though.
Mike S
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RotS is definitely better than RoS.
Kennedy had to green-light it though. I don't think she would have just said "Oh, Rian just surprise us." How things like that slipped through Kennedy was just negligent.
The argument can be made that Snoke was "expendable" because Palpatine was always going to come back in IX - but that is utter garbage. He wan't. He was forced to come back because they didn't develop Kylo Ren as a proper villian. Does anybody here think that Ren could even moderately compare to a Maul? They needed a bad guy, so they dusted off Palps and pushed him onstage.
Which would have given some delineation between the Empire and The First Order. Problem is - that your thoughts actually make sense. Kennedy wanted people that could just further an agenda, and the plot and script was written so that it did. Making sense wasn't mandatory.
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Professortango1
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You do understand Satire, right? The article is just as real the author's other articles talking about paleontologists discovering primal rage battles occurring before man and an article at Metamorphosis.
And Johnson was more concerned with making a good movie and adding interesting elements than re-treading the same exact stuff so 45 year old toy collectors could be happy.
BrianLo
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Despite the movie opening 3rd, some early evidence that it might leg out a bit later than TLJ.
Wouldn’t be altogether unsurprising if it finishes in the same ballpark.
Solo also did absolutely terrible (lower than any Marvel movie), so certainly Star Wars is not the guaranteed license to print money. I’d say 600 million domestic would be very respectable given the backlash and critical reception.
Wouldn’t be altogether unsurprising if it finishes in the same ballpark.
Solo also did absolutely terrible (lower than any Marvel movie), so certainly Star Wars is not the guaranteed license to print money. I’d say 600 million domestic would be very respectable given the backlash and critical reception.
Professortango1
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I've already seen that movie. Star Wars has made it countless times. I don't want to see a robed Sith lord commanding a masked apprentice to kill his family member. I don't need another Boba Fett-esque villain who is all suit and little character development. I don't want to see another stoic wise-old mentor, especially when that wasn't how the character was in the previous films.
As for dropping bombs in space, I think its so funny that the people who like fiery explosions in an oxygen-free environment, laser swords, death rays which wouldn't be able to contain that much energy, a planet being blown up and not affecting other gravitational fields, the fact ships are constantly oriented on the same planes in a weightless 360 space environment, etc---can't accept dropping bombs in space. Luke can fall down a massive shaft and be totally fine, but damnit, Ders nO GraVitY in SpAcE! RuInEd mY SpAcewIzaRD mOviE!!!!
Joesixtoe
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Na, Johnson was more concerned with subverting expectations.. every single expectation was answered to the least desirable effect, so that it subverted our expectations ya!! U got me Rian. U wanna see Luke fight?? I'll give u a stick fight, and when he shows a saber, psst he isnt really there!! Hehe... Rey a Skywalker?? Naw shes nobody, hows that? No one... Snoke, who's this big old dude?? Doesn't matter he's dead.. one subverted expectation is good, every set up from TFA subverted makes you feel kinda trolled. I bet he had good intentions at heart, but just didn't translate to well for the story.
Possibly. But I think it had more to do with Space Cows, A pink haired lady knocking down one of the male lead characters. Having Rose Tico knock down another. Creating Mary Poppins in space. The absurdity that is Cantobite. Splitting up the three lead characters, so that the two male ones can be "put in their place" and never evolving a single one of them. Turning BB8 into a slot machine. The ridiculous way they introduced Fin in the movie. Identity politics, massive plot holes, and creating an entire movie about running out of gas in space (Which by the way was the plot in Spaceballs). dAt RuInEd mY SpAcewIzaRD mOviE!!!!