Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker Reactions: SPOILERS

[Tony Perkis]

We must have watched a different movie.

And you know what they say. "The proof is in the pudding". The fact that every movie released since TLJ has under performed (not including the ones that got cancelled because of Rian's "masterpiece") - should tell you something. But you have to be open minded enough to accept it.

You didn’t address the poster’s question, at all.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

TLJ was critically applauded.

68.9% drop in week two. You are continuously presented with facts that either you seemingly don't understand or choose to ignore.

"The Last Jedi "lost more money between its first and second weekends than any film ever, by a lot," as Forbes put it. "

Star Wars: The Last Jedi Had a Massive Second Weekend Drop at the Box Office - IGN

Meanwhile, Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle opened strong and Greatest Showman struggled.

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Nobody cared to see it again. Which is a staple for a Star Wars movie. Great job, Rian. Well, there goes your trilogy.

 

[Tony Perkis]

Well you ran with that.

My point...since Disney acquired it and long before...is that Star Wars is different. It is a one of a kind franchise...not one that fits the generalized template of blockbusters it created long ago.

It could never be treated in such a manner it has and not get extreme fan backlash.

Who cares? The accountants do...lots of money is lost on divisive Star Wars...

Hence the retconning and Iger mandating “changes”...both big and small.

Stay tuned

I will repeat myself once again: I am not looking at any of the individual films from Disney's perspective; I’m looking at them as a film buff and general fan of the series. If you want to critique how Disney handled the series, have at it, but I’m more interested in discussing the films themselves in a deeper level.

 

[Tony Perkis]

68.9% drop in week two. You are continuously presented with facts that either you seemingly don't understand or choose to ignore.

"The Last Jedi "lost more money between its first and second weekends than any film ever, by a lot," as Forbes put it. "

Star Wars: The Last Jedi Had a Massive Second Weekend Drop at the Box Office - IGN

Meanwhile, Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle opened strong and Greatest Showman struggled.

www.ign.com

Nobody cared to see it again. Which is a staple for a Star Wars movie. Great job, Rian. Well, there goes your trilogy.

The Last Jedi finished its domestic box office run with $620 million.

It finished its international box office run with $717 million.

It finished its worldwide box office run with $1.33 billion, good for 9th all time.

NoBoDy CaReD tO sEe It AgAiN.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

The Last Jedi finished its domestic box office run with $620 million.

It finished its international box office run with $717 million.

It finished its worldwide box office run with $1.33 billion, good for 9th all time.

NoBoDy CaReD tO sEe It AgAiN.

Question for you. How much did TFA gross?

TLJ under-performed. You can make excuses for it. You can ignore the fact. You can pretend it never happened. But the information is all there - in the event you'd like to see it.

 

[Tony Perkis]

Question for you. How much did TFA gross?

$936m domestically, $1.13 billion internationally, $2.07 billion worldwide.

Outstanding numbers for literally the most anticipated movie of all time.

TLJ under-performed. You can make excuses for it. You can ignore the fact. You can pretend it never happened. But the information is all there - in the event you'd like to see it.

What is your definition of underperformed? Because $1.33 billion isn’t underperforming. Just like it’s definitive proof that no one went to see it again, which is a laughable notion.

The 9th highest grossing movie of all time is unequivocally not considered any underperformed, and every box office pundit largely predicted, correctly, that TLJ was never going to top TFA.

You lack a stunning amount of context as to why TFA‘s intake was so ridiculous compared to any other film within the series.

 

[Professortango1]

Question for you. How much did TFA gross?

TLJ under-performed. You can make excuses for it. You can ignore the fact. You can pretend it never happened. But the information is all there - in the event you'd like to see it.

Yes, we know the toy-collecting 40 year old fanbois didn't see it as often as they saw the other films. We know they felt personally attacked when Rey wasn't a Skywalker or when the focus was on on Rey and Ren and not some rando supervillain. We know how mad they were when Luke was a real character and not like he was in the books. So sure, they didn't come back and see it. Okay. Still made billions. Still critically acclaimed. Still the most interesting SW film to come out after Empire.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

$936m domestically, $1.13 billion internationally, $2.07 billion worldwide.

Outstanding numbers for literally the most anticipated movie of all time.


What is your definition of underperformed? Because $1.33 billion isn’t underperforming. Just like it’s definitive proof that one went to see it again, which is a laughable notion.

And TLJ wasn't anticipated? Maybe you can explain why TLJ was only $20 Million off on the opening weekend numbers vs TFA - but ended up almost $700 Million off when it was all said and done. Hmmmm?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The Last Jedi finished its domestic box office run with $620 million.

It finished its international box office run with $717 million.

It finished its worldwide box office run with $1.33 billion, good for 9th all time.

NoBoDy CaReD tO sEe It AgAiN.

$936m domestically, $1.13 billion internationally, $2.07 billion worldwide.

Outstanding numbers for literally the most anticipated movie of all time.


What is your definition of underperformed? Because $1.33 billion isn’t underperforming. Just like it’s definitive proof that no one went to see it again, which is a laughable notion.

The 9th highest grossing movie of all time is unequivocally not considered any underperformed, and every box office pundit largely predicted, correctly, that TLJ was never going to top TFA.

You lack a stunning amount of context as to why TFA‘s intake was so ridiculous compared to any other film within the series.

So you think that a massive drop is viewed “favorably” by either Disney, the general public, or the Hollywood analysts?

This take invalidates almost anything else you’ve said.

That is an underperform. Defenders (the lurkers here on this thread that have nothing to say...) did that “sorry...it ONLY made $1.3 billion” patronizing crap (I’ll remind that patronization is actually surrender on a Disney board...you got nothing), compared it to empire (laughable), and twisted it anyway you could try and slice the poop burger...

But it didn’t hold when solo flopped and the studio went into relative disarray...hirings, firings, cancellations...

Lather, rinse, repeat.

 

[Tony Perkis]

And TLJ wasn't anticipated?

Do you not really know the difference between highly-anticipated and most-anticipated?

Maybe you can explain why TLJ was only $20 Million off on the opening weekend numbers vs TFA - but ended up almost $700 Million off when it was all said and done. Hmmmm?

Easy. One was a generational event film. The other is the next film.

Star Wars: A New Hope was a generational event film. It grossed $460 million, adjusted to $1.61 billion domestically. The Empire Strikes Back made $290 million, adjusted to $886 million domestically.

Both great numbers, but TESB made just over 50% of its predecessor’s totals. That means it underperformed, right? That means went to go see it again, right?

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Do you not really know the difference between highly-anticipated and most-anticipated?

Easy. About $20 Million in opening week revenues. What happened after that?

Maybe people didn't care to see it again - in the numbers they went back to see TFA - just maybe.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

And TLJ wasn't anticipated? Maybe you can explain why TLJ was only $20 Million off on the opening weekend numbers vs TFA - but ended up almost $700 Million off when it was all said and done. Hmmmm?

I submit the theory that last Jedi was MORE anticipated...

My arguments:
1. Farce awakens was a reboot...heralded mostly because it wasn’t all prequel cgi. Very little new substance or character development...left the fans wanting
2. Gonna say this slowly: Luke Skywalker was the hero of the franchise. Last Jedi was set up for him to be yoda or return and bring victory...
Neither of which happened.

But that’s what was set up...a lot of anticipation for anyone who remembers life before about 2000.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Easy. About $20 Million in opening week revenues. What happened after that?

Maybe people didn't care to see it again - in the numbers they went back to see TFA - just maybe.

Exactly...one and done.

Which happened in Star Wars all the time...or actually like “never”...

Word of mouth always got a lot of non “fans” to them too. Wasn’t happening 2 years ago

 

[Tony Perkis]

Easy. About $20 Million in opening week revenues. What happened after that?

Maybe people didn't care to see it again - in the numbers they went back to see TFA - just maybe.

Exactly...one and done.

Which happened in Star Wars all the time...or actually like “never”...

Word of mouth always got a lot of non “fans” to them too. Wasn’t happening 2 years ago

I’m noticing neither of you two took a stab at my ANH/ESB comparison? Is it because it points out a conflict between your TFA/TLJ arguments?

 

[Professortango1]

I submit the theory that last Jedi was MORE anticipated...

2. Gonna say this slowly: Luke Skywalker was the hero of the franchise. Last Jedi was set up for him to be yoda or return and bring victory...
Neither of which happened.

But that’s what was set up...a lot of anticipation for anyone who remembers life before about 2000.

Luke Skywalker DID bring victory. He held off the First Order, sacrificing himself so that the Resistance could live to fight. This act not only humiliated Kylo Ren and First Order, it created a spark which would ignite the entire galaxy and giving birth to a new generation of Jedi.

And Yoda...he didn't really do anything other than mentor Luke. How disappointing would it have been to have Luke just teach Rey about the Force and for her to leave him, maybe to return in the third film to watch him die? Nope, I prefer Johnson's savior Luke.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

I’m noticing neither of you two took a stab at my ANH/ESB comparison? Is it because it points out a conflict between your TFA/TLJ arguments?

Maybe because ANH is re-released. And does another 40 mil in 1978 that when adjusted for inflation which equated to another 200 Mil. Maybe. Do you realize how long ANH is in theaters?

"The official first US run ends on 7/20/1978, but Star Wars is re-released the next day due to its overwhelming popularity. This release is extended until 11/7/1978 and grosses an additional $33,908,317"

 

[Tony Perkis]

Easy. About $20 Million in opening week revenues. What happened after that?

Maybe people didn't care to see it again - in the numbers they went back to see TFA - just maybe.

Do I think the divisiveness of the film had an impact on its final box office grosses? Undoubtedly yes.;

But that was never the argument. The argument was the nobody went to go see it twice, and that it underperformed. That’s the incorrectness that needed correcting.

 

[Professortango1]

Maybe because ANH is re-released. And does another 40 mil in 1978 that when adjusted for inflation which equated to another 200 Mil. Maybe. Do you realize how long ANH is in theaters?

"The official first US run ends on 7/20/1978, but Star Wars is re-released the next day due to its overwhelming popularity. This release is extended until 11/7/1978 and grosses an additional $33,908,317"

So you're admitting that A New Hope was more popular with fans than Empire Strikes Back. Cool.

 

[Tony Perkis]

Maybe because ANH is re-released. And does another 40 mil in 1978 that when adjusted for inflation which equated to another 200 Mil. Maybe. Do you realize how long ANH is in theaters?

"The official first US run ends on 7/20/1978, but Star Wars is re-released the next day due to its overwhelming popularity. This release is extended until 11/7/1978 and grosses an additional $33,908,317"

You’re reinforcing my point that ANH was a generational film.

 

[Tony Perkis]

Luke Skywalker DID bring victory. He held off the First Order, sacrificing himself so that the Resistance could live to fight. This act not only humiliated Kylo Ren and First Order, it created a spark which would ignite the entire galaxy and giving birth to a new generation of Jedi.

And Yoda...he didn't really do anything other than mentor Luke. How disappointing would it have been to have Luke just teach Rey about the Force and for her to leave him, maybe to return in the third film to watch him die? Nope, I prefer Johnson's savior Luke.

Some people just have a fetish for fan fiction Luke Skywalker.