Star Wars Ep. 9 Thread

[LSLS]

Not true...

What’s your favorite part of the story? Which characters drive it? What actors develop an emotional attachment with how they play their parts? What moment triggered the best memory? The most emotionally poignant one?

Make a case

So for me, this trilogy has just been the trilogy of lost opportunities. They built a lot of potential with Rey (the ridiculous Mary Sue nonsense aside as I don't buy that junk at all), but it doesn't feel like they did much with her in TLJ (I know, I'm going to bash TLJ some. I swear, I didn't HATE it like most). Basically it doesn't feel like she has anything different now that she is heading into IX. I thought what they did with Luke outsmarting Kylo was freaking awesome, but then I don't get why they just had him disappear. They could have really built off his returning to the force, working with Rey to destroy the First order, etc.; but instead they just ended him (Force ghost or whatever they are doing with him aside). I actually thought Finn pretty much completed his arc, so I thought him sacrificing himself would have been great so that they can progress some of the other story lines (maybe it will still happen, but it's feeling dragged out now). I guess to summarize, I thought TFA was a great start (I get the "Oh it's just rehashing of New Hope" and I don't care, it was fun, it had cool battles, and setup the rest of the trilogy), but none of the storylines really developed in TLJ, and now it just feels like cleanup to salvage.

 

[LSLS]

While I think I pooped myself a bit with the double saber, in no way do I think it isn't a dream/vision... something like that. That scene screams misdirection. If JJ and Disney have taught us anything, it's don't trust what's in a trailer.

The lightsaber was really cool, but the hinting at her going to the dark side (again) is just dumb to me. I don't buy it for a second. First, that would have had to have been done last movie because they would need this one to develop how she comes back/a new hero emerges/etc. without rushing it. Second, again, they teased the exact same thing last movie, and there weren't even really hints of it happening.

 

[networkpro]

 

[erasure fan1]

The lightsaber was really cool, but the hinting at her going to the dark side (again) is just dumb to me. I don't buy it for a second. First, that would have had to have been done last movie because they would need this one to develop how she comes back/a new hero emerges/etc. without rushing it. Second, again, they teased the exact same thing last movie, and there weren't even really hints of it happening.

I could see as shes in the deathstar wreckage looking for whatever it is, she has to fight, Kylo or the knights... and she uses this saber she finds. But you are right. To the dark side? No. Aside from any story development reasons that it doesn't make sense. Look no further than there is no chance that Disney takes the "strong female role model for young girls" and throws her to the dark side. That was never part of the agenda.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So for me, this trilogy has just been the trilogy of lost opportunities. They built a lot of potential with Rey (the ridiculous Mary Sue nonsense aside as I don't buy that junk at all), but it doesn't feel like they did much with her in TLJ (I know, I'm going to bash TLJ some. I swear, I didn't HATE it like most). Basically it doesn't feel like she has anything different now that she is heading into IX. I thought what they did with Luke outsmarting Kylo was freaking awesome, but then I don't get why they just had him disappear. They could have really built off his returning to the force, working with Rey to destroy the First order, etc.; but instead they just ended him (Force ghost or whatever they are doing with him aside). I actually thought Finn pretty much completed his arc, so I thought him sacrificing himself would have been great so that they can progress some of the other story lines (maybe it will still happen, but it's feeling dragged out now). I guess to summarize, I thought TFA was a great start (I get the "Oh it's just rehashing of New Hope" and I don't care, it was fun, it had cool battles, and setup the rest of the trilogy), but none of the storylines really developed in TLJ, and now it just feels like cleanup to salvage.

The lightsaber was really cool, but the hinting at her going to the dark side (again) is just dumb to me. I don't buy it for a second. First, that would have had to have been done last movie because they would need this one to develop how she comes back/a new hero emerges/etc. without rushing it. Second, again, they teased the exact same thing last movie, and there weren't even really hints of it happening.

 

[LSLS]

I could see as shes in the deathstar wreckage looking for whatever it is, she has to fight, Kylo or the knights... and she uses this saber she finds. But you are right. To the dark side? No. Aside from any story development reasons that it doesn't make sense. Look no further than there is no chance that Disney takes the "strong female role model for young girls" and throws her to the dark side. That was never part of the agenda.

It's not a female thing. Plenty of men heroes in Star Wars and other movies never waver to the bad side. I'm fine she didn't, just don't try and tease it a second time, especially after she never got close last movie. Be more original.

And before I get bashed for it, yes, I am excited for the movie, but it's far from the movie I've been most excited about for this year. I doubt I will see it opening night or first in my household, but I'm sure at some point I will see it, and most likely will enjoy it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It's not a female thing. Plenty of men heroes in Star Wars and other movies never waver to the bad side. I'm fine she didn't, just don't try and tease it a second time, especially after she never got close last movie. Be more original.

And before I get bashed for it, yes, I am excited for the movie, but it's far from the movie I've been most excited about for this year. I doubt I will see it opening night or first in my household, but I'm sure at some point I will see it, and most likely will enjoy it.

I waited 6 hours in the rain for phantom menace.

I don’t think I’ll bother to buy a ticket with a tap of a touchscreen in October for this.

I’ll see it...someday down the line

 

[erasure fan1]

It's not a female thing. Plenty of men heroes in Star Wars and other movies never waver to the bad side.

I think with Disney and Kennedy it is a female thing. They wanted a female hero that girls could role model. Making her evil would stomp all over that. But it is kinda sad they couldn't find another angle instead of going down the same misdirection path again.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think with Disney and Kennedy it is a female thing. They wanted a female hero that girls could role model. Making her evil would stomp all over that. But it is kinda sad they couldn't find another angle instead of going down the same misdirection path again.

The last 20 years of Star Wars has been a new take on the phrase “it it ain’t broke...don’t fix it”

It’s played like Julius Caesar

 

[tk924]

While I think I pooped myself a bit with the double saber, in no way do I think it isn't a dream/vision... something like that. That scene screams misdirection. If JJ and Disney have taught us anything, it's don't trust what's in a trailer.

Agree.
Why reveal the biggest scene from the movie in a trailer? That's like an ESB trailer revealing "No. I am your father". It has to be either a vision of what could have been, what may happen OR they really did reveal the biggest scene in the movie. At this point, I would not be surprised either way based on Disney's SW track record.
It just smells of desperation in an attempt to win back those that have taken a SW break (either temporarily or permanently). Will it be enough? Time will tell.

 

[CinematicFusion]

I think with Disney and Kennedy it is a female thing. They wanted a female hero that girls could role model. Making her evil would stomp all over that. But it is kinda sad they couldn't find another angle instead of going down the same misdirection path again.

Problem is they have yet to put her on a hero’s journey. She hasn’t had relatable struggles that builds an emotional connection with the audience.
She is better by far then Ren, all she had to do was concentrate a little more and she whooped his butt.
She is better then weak Luke who quit on everyone. He was so weak she took the sacred texts and left.
Even Yoda came back and talked to Luke as if he was some Whiny b**ch.
...I’m getting off topic

She is all powerful... no one can stop her.
Except palpatine. She almost has to turn to the dark side. Only way to make her interesting.

 

[Mike S]

Problem is they have yet to put her on a hero’s journey. She hasn’t had relatable struggles that builds an emotional connection with the audience.
She is better by far then Ren, all she had to do was concentrate a little more and she whooped his butt.
She is better then weak Luke who quit on everyone. He was so weak she took the sacred texts and left.
Even Yoda came back and talked to Luke as if he was some Whiny b**ch.
...I’m getting off topic

She is all powerful... no one can stop her.
Except palpatine. She almost has to turn to the dark side. Only way to make her interesting.

Preach.

 

[AdamNV87]

Problem is they have yet to put her on a hero’s journey. She hasn’t had relatable struggles that builds an emotional connection with the audience.
She is better by far then Ren, all she had to do was concentrate a little more and she whooped his butt.
She is better then weak Luke who quit on everyone. He was so weak she took the sacred texts and left.
Even Yoda came back and talked to Luke as if he was some Whiny b**ch.
...I’m getting off topic

She is all powerful... no one can stop her.
Except palpatine. She almost has to turn to the dark side. Only way to make her interesting.

That is something I noticed about her as well.

Hercules himself, the son of almighty Zeus, seemed to have to work harder and overcome more to succeed. Rey on the other hand, while has had her "struggles", just seems like luck is meant to find her no matter what.

I'm trying to root for her, but it's hard. Finn had a far more compelling character arch, but they rushed through it in TFA, leaving him as a side-story afterthought in TLJ.

Kylo seems to be the only remaining interesting one of this trilogy's Fab 4 (Rey, Finn, Poe, Ren) that has any mistique left to his character development.

 

[Mickey's Angels]

Problem is they have yet to put her on a hero’s journey. She hasn’t had relatable struggles that builds an emotional connection with the audience.
She is better by far then Ren, all she had to do was concentrate a little more and she whooped his butt.
She is better then weak Luke who quit on everyone. He was so weak she took the sacred texts and left.
Even Yoda came back and talked to Luke as if he was some Whiny b**ch.
...I’m getting off topic

She is all powerful... no one can stop her.
Except palpatine. She almost has to turn to the dark side. Only way to make her interesting.

Why do you think she doesn't relate to anyone? She doesn't relate to everyone, but I think she still had an emotional background story in TFA that many people could relate to. She was left alone waiting for someone to come back that wasn't going to. Maz gave her a reality check, and she ran off in denial about it. Those are things that many people go through in real life.

Also, I think a lot of people are misinterpreting Luke's choices. I know it's upsetting to see a character we care about not live happily ever after. It happens a lot in the video games that I play with epic stories (Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, etc.), and the fan communities always freak out about it. But in Luke's case, I don't think it was about him being weak or a whiny b. He recognized that he made the same mistakes as the Jedi during the prequel era. He stayed stayed out of things because he finally realized that being a Jedi was about living peacefully with the force instead of trying to control it to be the police of the galaxy and everyone's hero.

He wanted to be like the Jedi of the past, and in doing so, he became stubborn and arrogant, thinking that old traditions were more important than living in the present. His hubris caused him to push his nephew over the edge into the dark side, and he lost all of his students. If that happened to me, I'd want to sit in a corner and cry too. He may be a powerful Jedi with amazing powers in a fantasy galaxy far far away, but he's still human. You can't expect someone to just wash away that kind of painful tragedy and then have him or her say "Ok! Time to save the world again." You gotta lift them back up and slap some sense back into them. That's exactly what Rey and Yoda did to help him get back to his old self.

Oh, and about Rey being all powerful... Did we forget that Snoke pretty much wiped her face all over his throne room like some rag doll? She's also a little bit arrogant, and the only way to get out of trouble was with Kylo's help. She's strong, but she's still a naive little girl who needs training. Her character is acting more on instincts and raw strength, which is why she survived Jakku all by herself, but I'm really hoping we get to see Luke being a teacher and helping her become a better Jedi in the next movie.

 

[CinematicFusion]

Why do you think she doesn't relate to anyone? She doesn't relate to everyone, but I think she still had an emotional background story in TFA that many people could relate to. She was left alone waiting for someone to come back that wasn't going to. Maz gave her a reality check, and she ran off in denial about it. Those are things that many people go through in real life.

Also, I think a lot of people are misinterpreting Luke's choices. I know it's upsetting to see a character we care about not live happily ever after. It happens a lot in the video games that I play with epic stories (Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, etc.), and the fan communities always freak out about it. But in Luke's case, I don't think it was about him being weak or a whiny b. He recognized that he made the same mistakes as the Jedi during the prequel era. He stayed stayed out of things because he finally realized that being a Jedi was about living peacefully with the force instead of trying to control it to be the police of the galaxy and everyone's hero.

He wanted to be like the Jedi of the past, and in doing so, he became stubborn and arrogant, thinking that old traditions were more important than living in the present. His hubris caused him to push his nephew over the edge into the dark side, and he lost all of his students. If that happened to me, I'd want to sit in a corner and cry too. He may be a powerful Jedi with amazing powers in a fantasy galaxy far far away, but he's still human. You can't expect someone to just wash away that kind of painful tragedy and then have him or her say "Ok! Time to save the world again." You gotta lift them back up and slap some sense back into them. That's exactly what Rey and Yoda did to help him get back to his old self.

Oh, and about Rey being all powerful... Did we forget that Snoke pretty much wiped her face all over his throne room like some rag doll? She's also a little bit arrogant, and the only way to get out of trouble was with Kylo's help. She's strong, but she's still a naive little girl who needs training. Her character is acting more on instincts and raw strength, which is why she survived Jakku all by herself, but I'm really hoping we get to see Luke being a teacher and helping her become a better Jedi in the next movie.

“Also, I think a lot of people are misinterpreting Luke's choices. “

Maybe...but isn’t that the fault of the director?

The movie I saw had a Luke Skywalker not even Mark Hamill recognized. All from R. Johnson’s imagination. His vision to me and to Hamill didn’t make sense. But you agreed with Johnson and loved it.
Is what it is.

Now, R. Johnson can write what ever the F*** he wants but he better make clear why he made those choices.

The choices R.Johnson made for the Skywalker Lucas wrote didn’t make sense to a lot of people. Luke waking up in the middle of the night to take a , goes to see if his nephew is alright, Luke sees Ren is having a bad dream and decides to murder him. ... but then changes his mind because Luke was working off a bender last night and wasn’t really thinking straight.



I mean come on. Not even worth discussing.



I could write the next film and make Rey quit on her friends,family, stop using the force and you would again be telling people...”I think a lot of people are misinterpreting Rey’s choices. “



People aren’t paying a ticket to see Rey, Harry Potter, Spider-Man, Luke Skywalker, etc. sit on their butts and drink green titty milk. I mean????



But yeah... you enjoyed it.

R. Johnson did what he set out to do. Make a movie half the audience hated with a passion and half that loved it.



I hate TLJ... you love it.

R.Johnson did his job.



R.Johnson quote” “I would be worried if everybody across the board was like ‘yeah, it was a good movie’ it’s much more exciting to me when you get a group of people who are coming up to you who are really really excited about it. Then there are other people who walk out literally saying ‘it’s the worst movie I’ve ever seen.’ Having those two extremes is the mark of the type of movie that I want to make.”



He did his job... he divided the fan base.

I don’t feel like wasting more time on this terrible film.



Glad you like it, nothing wrong with that and I’m not trying to convince you to change your mind.



Sorry I didn’t keep commenting on each of your thoughts.



I’ll give you snore was more powerful then Rey. But obviously wasn’t as smart.

Guy let Ren of all people best him. Ren is the weakest Jedi/Sith on the big screen.



But at the end of the day who cares about snore and his golden playboy robe. Why did they even write that character to begin with?



Sorry I’m ranting... you enjoyed the film that’s cool. I have a soft spot for the original Pete’s Dragon. We all have movies we love.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That is something I noticed about her as well.

Hercules himself, the son of almighty Zeus, seemed to have to work harder and overcome more to succeed. Rey on the other hand, while has had her "struggles", just seems like luck is meant to find her no matter what.

I'm trying to root for her, but it's hard. Finn had a far more compelling character arch, but they rushed through it in TFA, leaving him as a side-story afterthought in TLJ.

Kylo seems to be the only remaining interesting one of this trilogy's Fab 4 (Rey, Finn, Poe, Ren) that has any mistique left to his character development.

I think what you’ve noticed is these are pretty bad characters...

“Cover your ears, kittens who don’t want to hear it”

I’ll give abrams full credit - better than sliced bread - if he gives any emotional depth to any of them.

They messed up the middle chapter...what trilogy has gone well when that happens?

Again...I’ll be the biggest JJ fan if he can climb out of the hole. Like Bruce Wayne getting out of the prison...but that looks easier.

 

[Anders Limpar]

Titty. I kinda can't believe it gets through the filter. But Dick Van doesn't.

 

[Mickey's Angels]

“Also, I think a lot of people are misinterpreting Luke's choices. “

Maybe...but isn’t that the fault of the director?

The movie I saw had a Luke Skywalker not even Mark Hamill recognized. All from R. Johnson’s imagination. His vision to me, to Hamill didn’t make sense. But.. you agreed with Johnson and loved it. Is what it is.

Now R. Johnson can write what ever the F*** he wants but he better make clear why he made those choices.

The choices R.Johnson made for the Skywalker Lucas wrote didn’t make sense to a lot of people. Luke waking up in the middle of the night to take a ****, goes to see if his nephew is alright, Luke sees Ren is having a bad dream and decides to murder him. ... but then changes his mind because Luke was working off a bender last night and wasn’t really thinking straight.

I mean come on. Not even worth discussing.

I could write the next film and make Rey quit on her friends,family, stop using the force and you would again be telling people...”I think a lot of people are misinterpreting Rey’s choices. “

Why is it not worth discussing? Part of the fun of these epic fantasy movies is being able to talk about different points of views. I can understand why a lot of people were confused about why Luke wanted to kill Ben. I had to watch a second time to understand what was going on. We needed to connect the dots a little and pay attention to what Luke was telling Rey. He knew that the dark side was building up inside of Ben, and that dark dream he was having made Luke scared. He was trying so hard to live up to the hype and status of the Jedi, and he was afraid of anyone from the dark side coming in and destroying all the work he and his friends accomplished. Luke came to his senses because he's a good person, and he realized that he was making a mistake. I don't understand the "working off a bender last night" metaphor you're using.

And I'm not sure why you're trying to predict what I would or wouldn't say to something that hasn't happened. But if that did happen in your script, my reaction and what I'd say would depend on WHY a character did what he/she did.

 

[Cosmic Commando]

That’s because it’s “complicated”

You see...when you publicly abandone the EU (which i actually agree with)...where novels tended to go

Then you promote you’re grandiose new movies as all original/new...

Then you have the king of remakes do a freaking remake with a Death Star and new “sides”...

But you go “prequel” in not explaining anything...

Then go full 180 and release books to explain the backstory....

It gets “complicated”

This was never what happened. The EU was “legends-ized” because some was in spaces that Disney wanted to go, and it wasn’t even completely internally consistent. The idea was that everything in the new canon would be harmonious. There was never a 180, because there was always going to be a new EU. The first book in the Aftermath trilogy was released before Episode VII.

 

[AdamNV87]

The red-eyed (evil??) C-3PO in this trailer looks far more menacing than Snoke ever did.

And I still am holding to the prediction that Rey is not having a dream/vision in that last scene, nor has she turned to the dark side. She is in disguise as a Knight of Ren, either to infiltrate their lot, or someone else.

We've had heroes pose as Stormtroopers in ANH.
But we've never seen someone pose as a Sith, or whatever the Knights are supposed to be.

I'm calling it now. That's what Rey is doing. And the image we see in this trailer is her revealing to whomever that it's her.