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Star Wars Ep. 9 Thread
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Anders Limpar
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Probably not a surprise but I really haven't been impressed by the leaks so far.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The good news is that they are so silly/all over the place that it’s hard to believe any of them
Sirwalterraleigh
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The Original 'Star Wars: Return of the Jedi' Ending Might Hint At a Big 'Rise of Skywalker' Twist
The Force Ghosts of Obi-Wan and Yoda were a lot more powerful in George Lucas's rough draft of Episode VI.
www.esquire.com
‘Quiet Place’ Writers Turned Down ‘Star Wars’ by Telling Lucasfilm to Start New Franchises
Lucasfilm courted screenwriters Scott Beck and Bryan Woods to get involved in new "Star Wars" and "Indiana Jones" movies.
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mikejs78
Premium Member
You're really nitpicking here. I would not say every title does at all .. Phantom Meanace really doesn't, and A New Hope doesn't. I would argue that the only ones that sort of do are Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith, Return of the Jedi, and The Force Awakens.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Nope...
There was no war in “Star Wars”
The empire “never struck back”
And the Jedi didn’t “return” to vindicate themselves.
Never happened.
Hell...they actually did ok with the prequel titles...the stories and dialogues sucked, but don’t blame the titles.
mikejs78
Premium Member
Phantom Menace? Really?Nope...
There was no war in “Star Wars”
The empire “never struck back”
And the Jedi didn’t “return” to vindicate themselves.
Never happened.
Hell...they actually did ok with the prequel titles...the stories and dialogues sucked, but don’t blame the titles.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Nope...once again...it’s valid and symptoms of a real big sickness.
Stop trying to outsmart the fans...her and boy toy still keep making comments that they won’t fail at this as they have.
A new hope was added AFTER it was the biggest box office phenom of its day...
And of all the others...phantom menace was the worst. But the title was pretty cool...until we saw they didn’t have one to shoot. That’s why it’s a punchline now.
All 3 sequels are actually wrong - well 2 and and the 3rd is suspect to be fair....8 didn’t fit at all. 7 “awakened” by dropping the force tenants of the first 6....any old dude can lightsaber fight...and make things levitate. The more powerful skywalkers had to be taught that...but not scrappers and storm troopers. Nope.
I’m getting nit picky though...so I’d like a vacation. Let’s not defend Kathy Kennedy, who has done an awful job on the Rick McCollum level, and I’ll stop shooting blasters through the excuses.
Sound good?
Mike S
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
That was what he tried to show, was it not?
Just boned it. The title fit...the attempt to construct a conspiracy was dead from the opening crawl talking about tariffs
They’ve bashed this around for two decades on the intergeekdom...the crawl just doesn’t fit.
Well, I respectfully disagree. While some SW movie titles may not be as descriptive to the overall story, I think most do.
I guess it's all a matter of perspective and a further indicator as to how people view these movies so differently.
For me, I'm not really expecting a lot from TROS. Episode 7 and 8 were just not good storytelling. It's just not enough to throw space ships and lightsabers in and think that's all you need.
Although I did thoroughly enjoy Rogue One and even Solo a little. I really am looking forward to The Mandalorian and are cautiously optimistic for the Obi Wan series. So at least there's that on the horizon.
mikejs78
Premium Member
Different strokes. I find the themes and storylines of TLJ among the best of the saga. TFA was a bit derivative but it did what it needed to do after the prequels. TROS, I don't think it's fair to judge the title until the movie is out.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Bump
Someday...when this is all over and one of us is an old man...we’re gonna get a six pack and commune to really go into detail on this...maybe someplace sunny
And my first question will be: “why did they need to do anything other than tell a story that developed the characters - old or new - which they didn’t at all in favor of visuals and “subverting expectations”? Was the force “broken”? I wasn’t aware it was...just bad stories were made with flat characters similar to the prequels”
Come to think of it...that’s like 12 questions...better get a case
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Ok...I just rewatched that clip while I wasn’t distracted doing work...
And she is officially &$/@!!!ing clueless!!
Someday we are gonna have to get the real scoop on how she got that job. She wasn’t George’s “handpicked successor” as was laid out in the press announcement.
I heard on podcast that it is believed George wanted to still make the Star Wars...he just didn’t want to be the corporate/ financial guy anymore. Considering the MCU and Pixar...I can see his angle.
Is it possible he was going to be the producer/creative in charge of Star Wars and Kennedy would be the figurehead/admin for lucasfilm...and Disney pushed him out in negotiations?
Quotes from Disney’s lead counsel in 2013 certainly could have been taken as such. They insisted on a “clean break with all IP rights” in the negotiations:
I think maybe the old wizard got hoodwinked. Good strategic move for Disney...bad perhaps for the IP?
It’s possible.
And she is officially &$/@!!!ing clueless!!
Someday we are gonna have to get the real scoop on how she got that job. She wasn’t George’s “handpicked successor” as was laid out in the press announcement.
I heard on podcast that it is believed George wanted to still make the Star Wars...he just didn’t want to be the corporate/ financial guy anymore. Considering the MCU and Pixar...I can see his angle.
Is it possible he was going to be the producer/creative in charge of Star Wars and Kennedy would be the figurehead/admin for lucasfilm...and Disney pushed him out in negotiations?
Quotes from Disney’s lead counsel in 2013 certainly could have been taken as such. They insisted on a “clean break with all IP rights” in the negotiations:
I think maybe the old wizard got hoodwinked. Good strategic move for Disney...bad perhaps for the IP?
It’s possible.
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Sirwalterraleigh
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Star Wars creator George Lucas 'felt betrayed' by sequel plans, Disney CEO says
Bob Iger's memoir reveals how Lucas really felt about the first in the franchise's sequel trilogy.
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The story I remember hearing is that he wanted to direct force awakens and then sell Lucasfilm but possibly stay on as produce ala Kevin Feige.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
That’s the gist of it.
Which brings up two things:
1. George is nuts...those prequels were awful. It’s just that everyone believes it except him.
2. It really would explain the animosity/undertone that’s been there. That may have caused some “issues” at LFL that we’ve seen manifested.
https://movieweb.com/force-awakens-george-lucas-disappointment-explained-bob-iger/
All that's where the car was driven off the cliff. Bad call, Bob.
All that's where the car was driven off the cliff. Bad call, Bob.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I don’t agree here...
George was beyond inept at this point. His agenda with Star Wars really threw if info disarray. I get why he wanted to sell the “business end” of it.
But he made crap...to sell crap...so he had to live with it at that point.
I find the excepts from Iger’s book to be incredibly telling - however. He admits they went safe/punted on the sequels and George was mad...but then he reassures themselves that they did the right thing. Which at this juncture does not appear to be the case.