SPOILERS: She-Hulk Series on D+

[doctornick]

That was different. Not what I expected at all but amusing. I actually liked them being a bit meta about the fandom with Kevin but wish there wasn’t just such outright dismissiveness of dissenters as being “toxic” (I mean there’s some there but also valid criticism too).

I’m not sure what I really wanted out of She Hulk but I enjoyed it and would be happy for more. I definitely would prefer more whacky courtroom drama and less trying to call out incel folks though.

I’m not sure what people mean by not wrapping up storylines though. It seems to me the season was about Jen coming to gripes with her situation and thriving with that work/life/hero balance and that’s how it ended. I mean, we learned what the blood stuff was all about and it was straightforward; I think though a better ending for Todd would have been him injecting the blood in the new ending but having it cause him to have a bad reaction and become a vegetable or such.

Definitely hoping for a season two.

 

[MisterPenguin]

‘She-Hulk’ Team Explains the Fourth Wall-Breaking Finale and Delivering a ‘F— You’ to Toxic Marvel Trolls

SPOILER ALERT: Do not read if you haven’t watched the season finale of “She-Hulk: Attorney at Law,” now streaming on Disney+. Throughout “She-Hulk: Attorney at Law,” J…

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‘She-Hulk’ Shook Up the Marvel Cinematic Universe By Being the Most MCU Thing Ever

SPOILER WARNING: This story discusses major plot elements of the Season 1 finale of “She-Hulk: Attorney at Law,” currently streaming on Disney+. “This is a mess!” Jennifer W…

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[MisterPenguin]

 

[LSLS]

That was different. Not what I expected at all but amusing. I actually liked them being a bit meta about the fandom with Kevin but wish there wasn’t just such outright dismissiveness of dissenters as being “toxic” (I mean there’s some there but also valid criticism too).

I’m not sure what I really wanted out of She Hulk but I enjoyed it and would be happy for more. I definitely would prefer more whacky courtroom drama and less trying to call out incel folks though.

I’m not sure what people mean by not wrapping up storylines though. It seems to me the season was about Jen coming to gripes with her situation and thriving with that work/life/hero balance and that’s how it ended. I mean, we learned what the blood stuff was all about and it was straightforward; I think though a better ending for Todd would have been him injecting the blood in the new ending but having it cause him to have a bad reaction and become a vegetable or such.

Definitely hoping for a season two.

So, can't speak for everyone, but for me, a lot of the other plotlines never amounted to anything. Yes, one was definitely about her coming to grips with her situation, and that did seem to conclude. But for example, the blood stuff, went nowhere. Todd gets it, injects, then they take it away. So, did he never inject the blood and it's still out there? Did it not work? Was it never taken so the plot established in Episode 2 that carried throughout never happened?

Some of the others I had (and I'll admit maybe there's something in there that I just missed at some point). What was the deal with the kids attacking her? Heck, how did they get the weapons they had? She sees the one, and it's just like, a little rage and then fine. I mean, why was he in a place of people getting used to their powers anyways? And what happened to the others? What about that Josh guy. We had no ending with him, he takes blood/hacks her phone, and then disappears. Titania busts into a courtroom, and is out stealing the She-Hulk name a few days later, then loses a lawsuit. What happened with her? Was she not arrested? She has powers she obviously used in the first couple episodes, but nothing to keep her from using them again? Why was Abomination transformed, yet there was no call to She-Hulk to check on it? The first time his power inhibitor was off, the Parole officer guy called right away, then nothing when he's obviously doing it more often? And how did the special agency (can't remember their name) just know Jen was going to transform and destroy everything? Those are the ones off the top of my head that I feel never had conclusions. Or, maybe it's they didn't have real conclusions I could get behind (or at least ones spelled out). I don't know. I liked the concept, I just thought poor execution.

 

[Disney Irish]

So, can't speak for everyone, but for me, a lot of the other plotlines never amounted to anything. Yes, one was definitely about her coming to grips with her situation, and that did seem to conclude. But for example, the blood stuff, went nowhere. Todd gets it, injects, then they take it away. So, did he never inject the blood and it's still out there? Did it not work? Was it never taken so the plot established in Episode 2 that carried throughout never happened?

Some of the others I had (and I'll admit maybe there's something in there that I just missed at some point). What was the deal with the kids attacking her? Heck, how did they get the weapons they had? She sees the one, and it's just like, a little rage and then fine. I mean, why was he in a place of people getting used to their powers anyways? And what happened to the others? What about that Josh guy. We had no ending with him, he takes blood/hacks her phone, and then disappears. Titania busts into a courtroom, and is out stealing the She-Hulk name a few days later, then loses a lawsuit. What happened with her? Was she not arrested? She has powers she obviously used in the first couple episodes, but nothing to keep her from using them again? Why was Abomination transformed, yet there was no call to She-Hulk to check on it? The first time his power inhibitor was off, the Parole officer guy called right away, then nothing when he's obviously doing it more often? And how did the special agency (can't remember their name) just know Jen was going to transform and destroy everything? Those are the ones off the top of my head that I feel never had conclusions. Or, maybe it's they didn't have real conclusions I could get behind (or at least ones spelled out). I don't know. I liked the concept, I just thought poor execution.

Well first, I will say it is a bit of issue with the writing. But overall some of the stuff you bring up did have conclusions but was obviously not apparent to you. And also just like any regular series not everything was resolved within the season, leaving it open for the next season (or is the case in the MCU to be resolved in possibly another series or movies).

For example, the "kids" as you call them are the Wreaking Crew, Josh is part of the Wreaking Crew. They were hired by "Hulkking" (Todd) and the weapons were provided by him. This was alluded to when Jen meets Todd and he is bragging about buying a Wakandan spear from an auction, ie he collects rare "Avengers" related items.

Basically Todd was the big bad of the season, feeling that Jen didn't deserve her powers. And that spawned a lot of the stuff that Jen went through this season. The blood is still an issue, and that is going to lead possibly to the Red Hulk and possibly other Hulks appearing in the MCU.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

Well first, I will say it is a bit of issue with the writing. But overall some of the stuff you bring up did have conclusions but was obviously not apparent to you. And also just like any regular series not everything was resolved within the season, leaving it open for the next season (or is the case in the MCU to be resolved in possibly another series or movies).

For example, the "kids" as you call them are the Wreaking Crew, Josh is part of the Wreaking Crew. They were hired by "Hulkking" (Todd) and the weapons were provided by him. This was alluded to when Jen meets Todd and he is bragging about buying a Wakandan spear from an auction, ie he collects rare "Avengers" related items.

Basically Todd was the big bad of the season, feeling that Jen didn't deserve her powers. And that spawned a lot of the stuff that Jen went through this season. The blood is still an issue, and that is going to lead possibly to the Red Hulk and possibly other Hulks appearing in the MCU.

Wrecking Crew.

But I'm with @LSLS feeling nothing got resolved.

Then again, don't actually care. Just hoping she doesn't show up in the Daredevil show.

 

[Disney Irish]

Wrecking Crew.

But I'm with @LSLS feeling nothing got resolved.

Then again, don't actually care. Just hoping she doesn't show up in the Daredevil show.

Excuse me for the typo, but you knew what I meant.

I'm sorry you and some of the others feel nothing got "resolved", but really was that the point of the show? To "resolve" all the season threads with a nice little bow at the end of the season? Or was it to introduce a character into the MCU to be used in the wider storytelling, this is what I'm thinking. And given that does it really matter that much whether those threads are "resolved" in this season, next season, or in a future show or movie, I think not.

Haven't we learned after the last 14 years of the MCU that nothing is really ever what it seems. Everything leads into something else. That threads that are started years prior aren't resolved with a nice little bow in one show or movie. That sometimes it takes years and many threads tied together to get the payoff of a resolution. This is why I love the MCU, it keeps me engaged, because its not resolved in a single 30 minute episode with a nice little bow like some here seem to want.

 

[LSLS]

Well first, I will say it is a bit of issue with the writing. But overall some of the stuff you bring up did have conclusions but was obviously not apparent to you. And also just like any regular series not everything was resolved within the season, leaving it open for the next season (or is the case in the MCU to be resolved in possibly another series or movies).

For example, the "kids" as you call them are the Wreaking Crew, Josh is part of the Wreaking Crew. They were hired by "Hulkking" (Todd) and the weapons were provided by him. This was alluded to when Jen meets Todd and he is bragging about buying a Wakandan spear from an auction, ie he collects rare "Avengers" related items.

Basically Todd was the big bad of the season, feeling that Jen didn't deserve her powers. And that spawned a lot of the stuff that Jen went through this season. The blood is still an issue, and that is going to lead possibly to the Red Hulk and possibly other Hulks appearing in the MCU.

So, that's the entire issue I think I really have, I thought the writing was bad. I liked that it was different (with all the 4th wall stuff), the acting was incredible, but (and I've said this for a while), they tried to make episodes standalone AND have them link up with the last minute of a show, which I didn't think worked well at all, and then in the end they just decided to ignore all those threads they put in that linked the episodes together. And while I guess I get all the concentration on the love life, that's just not for me personally. The wrecking crew, I guess they were hired, but I wasn't sure if they were supposed to be part of the organization as well, or just hired goons. And I guess Todd could have bought the weapons, but that just felt like kind of a big deal for them to have these major weapons and have it never acknowledged again. I also don't connect it with my other questions coming out. Sure, they can leave things open ended for future seasons, but I don't think they even did that. The blood was never mentioned again. I'd think if that was to move to the next season, at least some hint would have been thrown out there. Same with the one kid who was in the camp. And the others I can't imagine are things that will be brought up in the future.

I'll also add, I think part of my problem is the reveal of the big bad guy was probably a big letdown as well. I could get behind him being the one behind the website, but him being the one behind everything else as well was a letdown to me (that's maybe not as much a criticism of the show as my personal issue).

That said, I really like the character, so I really hope she's in the future MCU plans (though if it's another season, I hope there is a new writing team).

 

[MisterPenguin]

In the end, She-Hulk complained to the writers and to KEVIN that all those plotlines were indeed bad, because they were typical MCU plotlines and *her show* shouldn't have tried to be a typical MCU show.

We did get the main story of a female woman who had powers accidentally thrust upon her and how that upended her life in serious and comical ways. But there were also all that other typical MCU stuff that got criticized by Jen and 'erased' by KEVIN at Jen's request. Something that was typical of the She-Hulk comics as She-Hulk herself would 4th-wall address the writers for doing that kind of stuff.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I watched the series with no prior knowledge of the canon of the character and really did not care.

This was a fun comedy, and I really liked the breaking of the forth wall. I wish they did more of the bad guys trying to get her blood, that was interesting and fun.

I have an analogy. When I watch MY sports team in competition, I get very emotional, it’s very stressful when things are not going my teams way.

When I watch two other teams play for example the world series, I am just watching and simply enjoying the game.

For SheHulk, I am just watching and enjoying the show with no analysts.

 

[Disney Irish]

So, that's the entire issue I think I really have, I thought the writing was bad. I liked that it was different (with all the 4th wall stuff), the acting was incredible, but (and I've said this for a while), they tried to make episodes standalone AND have them link up with the last minute of a show, which I didn't think worked well at all, and then in the end they just decided to ignore all those threads they put in that linked the episodes together. And while I guess I get all the concentration on the love life, that's just not for me personally. The wrecking crew, I guess they were hired, but I wasn't sure if they were supposed to be part of the organization as well, or just hired goons. And I guess Todd could have bought the weapons, but that just felt like kind of a big deal for them to have these major weapons and have it never acknowledged again. I also don't connect it with my other questions coming out. Sure, they can leave things open ended for future seasons, but I don't think they even did that. The blood was never mentioned again. I'd think if that was to move to the next season, at least some hint would have been thrown out there. Same with the one kid who was in the camp. And the others I can't imagine are things that will be brought up in the future.

I'll also add, I think part of my problem is the reveal of the big bad guy was probably a big letdown as well. I could get behind him being the one behind the website, but him being the one behind everything else as well was a letdown to me (that's maybe not as much a criticism of the show as my personal issue).

That said, I really like the character, so I really hope she's in the future MCU plans (though if it's another season, I hope there is a new writing team).

She-Hulk will show up in other parts of the MCU, where or when who knows at this point.

 

[Disney Irish]

I watched the series with no prior knowledge of the canon of the character and really did not care.

This was a fun comedy, and I really liked the breaking of the forth wall. I wish they did more of the bad guys trying to get her blood, that was interesting and fun.

I have an analogy. When I watch MY sports team in competition, I get very emotional, it’s very stressful when things are not going my teams way.

When I watch two other teams play for example the world series, I am just watching and simply enjoying the game.

For SheHulk, I am just watching and enjoying the show with no analysts.

Nothing wrong with going along just for the ride. I think that is the best way to go into any of these new shows.

 

[doctornick]

I guess I still don't see how these things were not "resolved. Regarding the blood, they explained it totally: Todd was the one behind it, he hired the Wrecking Crew (and presumably supplied them with weapons as he seems to collect them, as was noted by @Disney Irish above), was behind Josh dating She-Hulk and getting her blood, and the "point" of it was to give him Hulk powers he "earned". The resolution of that was Jennifer going to KEVIN and saying that was dumb and mirrored too much the Super Soldier Serum already used in MCU stuff and so KEVIN decided to write it out (retcon) and pretend it never happened. Now, if you want to say that a cop out or stupid or whatever, I get it but they were pretty explicit on everything regarding the blood. It wasn't like it was some dangling plot thread that was not addressed or ignored - it's more like it was addressed in a way that some didn't like. Personally, I think in the revision they should have had Todd take it and have it kill or mutilate him which would have harkened back the the first episode when Bruce talked about how he and Jennifer were unique by being related in that the gamma radiation didn't kill them.

I am a little surprised they didn't bring Josh back for the meeting in the last episode, but don't feel it was needed. We learned his story - he was a mole placed to seduce Jennifer and get her blood and phone info. I'm not sure what more needed to be had for his story to be complete.

Abomination's story came full circle with him going back to prison after not abiding by the terms of his parole.

Hulk seem like he was going to be ignored, but they (kinda) explained about the Sakaaran ship and where he was during the show with the Skaar tease.

The one thing I do think deserved a bit more explaining and detail was about Titania. I mean, she was in multiple episodes but we just never really "got" her details and she probably deserved at least a brief backstory about her powers or how she got her situation as a lifestyle blogger or whatever she does; they never even explained why she busted into the courtroom to begin with, did they? She seemed too important to just have her be on the fringe. That's about the only thing I feel like they would "need" to address in a second season as something dangling.

I actually do think the writing by erratic and could have been improved to make the episodes and season flow better though. And I would have preferred it focus more on quirky superhuman courtroom hijinks which was easily its strength and less on misogynistic commentary which I thought bogged down the show. I think that's fine as being the "big bad" organization but they way it was done throughout felt too heavy handed and dragged down the lightheartedness of the series.

 

[LSLS]

So, is all of the blood thing gone from existence, or just his using of it? Does that entire storyline disappear (so the crew never goes for it, Josh never goes for it, etc.), or is the only thing gone that Todd never used it?

And the Josh stuff left me with more questions. Was he always a mole, or did he become one later on? If he was always one, how did he know to go to that wedding? Eh, honestly, don't worry about the Josh questions, I think I'm reading WAY too into this stuff at this point (I mean, I'm sure I can poke similar holes in most superhero things). I'm just going to stick with cool concept with great characters that I personally felt was executed poorly. Just my personal opinion on it. I mean, I didn't really like Loki that much and really disliked Hawkeye, so I'm definitely not the barometer for if a series should be considered good for most MCU fans. Hopefully that doesn't mean I'm a toxic fan. I certainly don't have a hatred towards anyone who did anything with the series.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Loose threads wrap-up:

Blonski's inhibitor...

Todd's day in court....

Josh and the bros feeling the heat...

 

[sedati]

Next Halloween I want another Special Presentation showing Madisynn’s Bogus Journey through the Goblin Realm.

 

[FoodRockz]

Next Halloween I want another Special Presentation showing Madisynn’s Bogus Journey through the Goblin Realm.

The series needed more Madisynn and Wongers. No doubt.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

Absolutely charming interview with Charlie about returning to the role of Daredevil:

https://www.marvel.com/articles/tv-shows/she-hulk-charlie--matt-murdock-daredevil

Edit: ugh it won't link due to his name - insert C O X between the two dashes between charlie and matt

 

[MisterPenguin]

Absolutely charming interview with Charlie about returning to the role of Daredevil:

https://www.marvel.com/articles/tv-shows/she-hulk-charlie--matt-murdock-daredevil

Edit: ugh it won't link due to his name - insert C O X between the two dashes between charlie and matt

This should work...

‘She-Hulk’: Charlie Cox Talks the Return of Matt Murdock and Daredevil

"To be invited back and starting again, almost, it feels like a little bit like a dream. It feels too good to be true. I'm so excited about the future."

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[Phroobar]

Too bad Elektra is dead. or is she?