SPOILERS: Moon Knight, latest episode discussion

[Timmay]

Still not impressed. I guess I just prefer a little more Moon Knight in my Moon Knight.

Now, having said that, I found the last 15 minutes of ep. 4 to be far better than everything that came before it, combined.

 

[doctornick]

Still not impressed. I guess I just prefer a little more Moon Knight in my Moon Knight.

This. I've like the series okay, mostly because Isaac is fantastic as the lead, but I would be more interested in seeing Moon Knight fighting crime. I feel like multiple personality stuff is overdone in general in entertainment and that would have been okay as a smaller part of the show but is too overwhelming.

Personally, my favorite parts with with Khonshu interacting with characters or even just being annoyed in the background.

 

[Disney Irish]

Remember this is an intro series.

If it goes well I expect Moon Knight to be added to the roster of characters used in the wider MCU.

 

[erasure fan1]

Remember this is an intro series.

If it goes well I expect Moon Knight to be added to the roster of characters used in the wider MCU.

Yup. You don't get Oscar Isaacs for a tiny 6 episode one off series. The plan has to be for him to show up in the movies. I'd say he shows up in the films even if the show isn't super well received.

As far as the show goes. I have to agree, there just isn't enough moon knight. Isaacs is great, I'm a big fan. I get you can't have him in costume the whole time. But 2 episodes and next to zero moon knight? That's a big miss for such a cool character.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yup. You don't get Oscar Isaacs for a tiny 6 episode one off series. The plan has to be for him to show up in the movies. I'd say he shows up in the films even if the show isn't super well received.

As far as the show goes. I have to agree, there just isn't enough moon knight. Isaacs is great, I'm a big fan. I get you can't have him in costume the whole time. But 2 episodes and next to zero moon knight? That's a big miss for such a cool character.

I don't disagree, having more actual Moon Knight would be cool. We just may have to wait a few movies before we get him in more action unless they green light a season 2 real quick.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

I feel like I've seen more Moon Knight in the park than onscreen. lol But I'm also looking forward to Khonshu's return as his annoyance at Steven is so amusing.

Though I realized today what the end scenes of this episode reminded me of - "Legion". So we've seen the crazy psychedelic super in an asylum thing before (and a similar tone as well as gods and monsters in "Preacher", too) and as fun as it was to pause in this location, I hope we get back to the action in Egypt (or London or wherever) soon.

 

[Disney Irish]

I feel like I've seen more Moon Knight in the park than onscreen. lol But I'm also looking forward to Khonshu's return as his annoyance at Steven is so amusing.

Though I realized today what the end scenes of this episode reminded me of - "Legion". So we've seen the crazy psychedelic super in an asylum thing before (and a similar tone as well as gods and monsters in "Preacher", too) and as fun as it was to pause in this location, I hope we get back to the action in Egypt (or London or wherever) soon.

Funny, I mentioned Legion too but in regards to the whole series as I think it has a good portrayal of Identity Disorders.

 

[Phicinfan]

Yup. You don't get Oscar Isaacs for a tiny 6 episode one off series. The plan has to be for him to show up in the movies. I'd say he shows up in the films even if the show isn't super well received.

As far as the show goes. I have to agree, there just isn't enough moon knight. Isaacs is great, I'm a big fan. I get you can't have him in costume the whole time. But 2 episodes and next to zero moon knight? That's a big miss for such a cool character.

Many rumors have stated a "dark" Avengers - aka Midnight Sons are coming to MCU - with Moon Knight, Blade, Ghost Rider and more. I hope this is true, and they keep a section of MCU for this kind of dark stories

 

[Phicinfan]

An interesting idea, however one problem..... You have non-Avatars there also like Layla, Donna (from the museum), Billy and Bobbi (the two fake cops), Crawley (gold statue guy), and others. So if it is "limbo" its not just for the Avatars. Also if it was "limbo" what was Layla doing there anyways as she wasn't dead or "locked up".

So that is why I think its more a dream, or trauma from being shot, ie all in Steven/Marc/Jake's mind and that this will end up causing Khonshu to be released as his Avatar is in trouble.

Actually, taking some time to think this through, I still think I may be right. Limbo would be formed around the person's remembrances, this is how Marc/Steven see themselves and all those who were active in their lives, but the added God at the end shows me this is more than just fantasy or dream state. Again its somewhat shown so far that even if the God isn't there, the Avatar has some additional "gifts" and to me this is the state Marc/Steven are in - they still belong to Khonshu, but have been shot ...."dead"...

 

[Disney Irish]

Actually, taking some time to think this through, I still think I may be right. Limbo would be formed around the person's remembrances, this is how Marc/Steven see themselves and all those who were active in their lives, but the added God at the end shows me this is more than just fantasy or dream state. Again its somewhat shown so far that even if the God isn't there, the Avatar has some additional "gifts" and to me this is the state Marc/Steven are in - they still belong to Khonshu, but have been shot ...."dead"...

So again an interesting idea, however again one problem....

In general Limbo (Aka purgatory) is only for the dead, not remembrances. It's where souls go who are waiting to be judged after they die. Traditionally you aren't going to see your family/friends/enemies in Limbo.

In addition in Egyptian traditions Limbo or what they call Duat is where the dead souls undergo a trial, basically the scale test that Harrow is performing on his followers for Ammut. Traditionally it was Anubis who judged, and would have Ammit (Aka Ammut) "eat" the unworthy souls. And remember as Harrow said Mark/Steven/Jake can't be judged as there is too much chaos in his mind.

So since this series (and the Moon Knight character in general) leans heavily into the Egyptian traditions I still doubt its "Limbo" but again interesting ideas.

But we'll see next week, it'll be interesting how it plays out.

 

[Phicinfan]

So again an interesting idea, however again one problem....

In general Limbo (Aka purgatory) is only for the dead, not remembrances. It's where souls go who are waiting to be judged after they die. Traditionally you aren't going to see your family/friends/enemies in Limbo.

Well first of all there is no clear definition of what Purgatory is, many religions don't have it, and those that do differ. So taking it in my direction of a remembrances as it were of key people in your life would fit. Traditionally Limbo if for the dead, but they don't interact with each other. So maybe Limbo isn't the correct term.

In addition in Egyptian traditions Limbo or what they call Duat is where the dead souls undergo a trial

Duat isn't Limbo - it is the judgement period they go through to define which direction they go. Egyptians don't have a limbo per say, but I see your point.

, basically the scale test that Harrow is performing on his followers for Ammut. Traditionally it was Anubis who judged, and would have Ammit (Aka Ammut) "eat" the unworthy souls. And remember as Harrow said Mark/Steven/Jake can't be judged as there is too much chaos in his mind.

True, this may end up all being one big dream and it was Marc/Steven remembering it for us to get us up to date. Just have to see. But if that is the case...why have the God join at the end?

So since this series (and the Moon Knight character in general) leans heavily into the Egyptian traditions I still doubt its "Limbo" but again interesting ideas.

But we'll see next week, it'll be interesting how it plays out.

I am really, really looking forward to 5 and 6. I really hope beyond hope this leads to a supernatural vine for MCU and it starts the Midnight Sons in the MCU.

 

[Disney Irish]

Well first of all there is no clear definition of what Purgatory is, many religions don't have it, and those that do differ. So taking it in my direction of a remembrances as it were of key people in your life would fit. Traditionally Limbo if for the dead, but they don't interact with each other. So maybe Limbo isn't the correct term.

I would agree Limbo isn't the correct term in the context of the show. But a large majority of the world's religions do actually have a concept of some type of a Limbo/Purgatory place even if its not called that, its that realm between heaven and hell or whatever equivalent in the religion.

Duat isn't Limbo - it is the judgement period they go through to define which direction they go. Egyptians don't have a limbo per say, but I see your point.

Duat is the Egyptian equivalent of Limbo, meaning that place between Aaru (eternal pleasure) or eternal restlessness in Duat. So it is both the location for judgment, and the place for eternal restlessness.

True, this may end up all being one big dream and it was Marc/Steven remembering it for us to get us up to date. Just have to see. But if that is the case...why have the God join at the end?

The god's name is Taweret, and was actually introduced in Ep1 via that stuffed hippo with a headdress. She is the goddess of fertility and rejuvenation.

So this could be Marc/Steven subconscious remembering the stuffed hippo and manifesting it into this dreamscape. Or it could be that Taweret will help Marc/Steven/Jake revive and help and to help get them back Khonshu.

I am really, really looking forward to 5 and 6. I really hope beyond hope this leads to a supernatural vine for MCU and it starts the Midnight Sons in the MCU.

Well I'm not sure about Midnight Sons yet, but I am looking forward to the rest of this series.

 

[flynnibus]

at this point I'm only watching the show because it's Marvel on D+... I would have turned this off a long time ago otherwise.

Really feels like we are digging deep for interesting stories characters... please get better Disney.

 

[erasure fan1]

Really feels like we are digging deep for interesting stories characters... please get better Disney.

I think you're going to really love the next Marvel offering then!

 

[flynnibus]

I think you're going to really love the next Marvel offering then!

Im praying obi wan is the fix we need

 

[Disney Irish]

at this point I'm only watching the show because it's Marvel on D+... I would have turned this off a long time ago otherwise.

Really feels like we are digging deep for interesting stories characters... please get better Disney.

Actually to me I find it more interesting to delve into the backstories of the lesser known Marvel characters. Marvel literally has over 8000 characters they can pull from. The stories can't always be about the more popular characters as that is how you get fatigue in my opinion.

Plus I trust that Feige and team continue to have a larger story they are telling. So while maybe not directly related to the movies, these D+ shows will lead into the larger story arc they are telling with the MCU.

 

[flynnibus]

Actually to me I find it more interesting to delve into the backstories of the lesser known Marvel characters. Marvel literally has over 8000 characters they can pull from. The stories can't always be about the more popular characters as that is how you get fatigue in my opinion.

Plus I trust that Feige and team continue to have a larger story they are telling. So while maybe not directly related to the movies, these D+ shows will lead into the larger story arc they are telling with the MCU.

I don’t care if its s mjnir or major character. I care that i find it strung out, lacking excitement, and generally frustrating rather than entertaining.

I think they are losing track of how a serial should be made. All too frequently bow they are just making a long 6hr movie snd just showing 1hr a week. That is not entertaining- thst’s frustrating.

Even kids cartoons knew how to have an arc that still delivered week to werk. I don’t think they even care anymore about each episode delivering independent value

 

[networkpro]

Its painful to watch. It has less of a plot than Darkwing Duck from Disney Afternoon.

 

[Disney Irish]

I don’t care if its s mjnir or major character. I care that i find it strung out, lacking excitement, and generally frustrating rather than entertaining.

I think they are losing track of how a serial should be made. All too frequently bow they are just making a long 6hr movie snd just showing 1hr a week. That is not entertaining- thst’s frustrating.

Even kids cartoons knew how to have an arc that still delivered week to werk. I don’t think they even care anymore about each episode delivering independent value

Well that is certainly your right to have that opinion. However that doesn't mean its shared by others.

I understand that everyone just wants to get to the payoff of the story arc. But I find this type of storytelling compelling compared to the traditional serial storytelling of episodic TV. Yes its more like a movie chopped down to single episodes, but I don't mind that. In a traditional 13 to 26 episodic show there are many throw away episodes that don't really move the story forward, but rather help with character development. Here we have some episodes that could be considered "throw away", but actually provide that exposition needed for the overall story. And I say all that even after saying that EP2-3 were a slugfest and slowed down the pace. I rather have those episodes rather than them being cut.

So anyways, we just see it differently. Overall I enjoy the experience for what it is, you seem not to. And you know what that is ok.

 

[erasure fan1]

Im praying obi wan is the fix we need

You ain't the only one. Lol