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Um, Loki has always been played as the arrogant bumbling fool for laughs, or do we forget this gem from the first Avengers film:
One of my favorite parts of that movieUm, Loki has always been played as the arrogant bumbling fool for laughs, or do we forget this gem from the first Avengers film:
Um, Loki has always been played as the arrogant bumbling fool for laughs, or do we forget this gem from the first Avengers film:
You obviously haven't been paying attention to the whole story arc of Loki in the MCU. When the MCU started he was a self-centered arrogant egotistical fool who would stab anybody in the back to get what he wanted. Over the course of the films his arc was that he started to think less of his own wants and desires to put others first including sacrificing himself to save Thor from Thanos. Because the Loki from the series is prior to that arc he was still the same self-centered arrogant egotistical fool he was at the end of Avengers. So what the series did was to accelerate that arc by using devices such the time loop with Sif. So by the end of Ep4 he is back to the less self-centered arrogant egotistical fool to putting others first, even if the others in this case is Sylvie another Loki.
He was a lost, lonely little boy who didn't think his adopted family really loved him or thought he was worthy. So he tried to do whatever he could to impress them. He made poor choices in doing so, but everything about Loki is motivated by wanting to be loved. Even his narcissism. Thor REALLY doesn't get it. But then, he's not the smarter brother.
I disagree with your disagreement, but hey everyone has an opinion on this.Beg to differ.
It's why his fans adore him so - we understand he's worthy of being loved and we love him without reservation for exactly who he is - fun, clever, capable, a survivor against all odds and irresistibly charming. We don't just want him on our team. We want to be on his team. #teamloki
Can't count the number of conversations I've had at the park with Thor and Cap and Star-Lord and Captain Marvel and Hawkeye (who really doesn't like Loki lol understandably) et al, oh and the Dora Milaje (who are unimpressed by everyone including Loki) trying to explain this.
/you may now return to your previously scheduled thread
They had to re-rehabilitate him otherwise the whole show would just be him not trusting anyone because he was so emotionally wounded and therefore being untrustworthy himself. They had to mature him again quickly, so they did the highlights version (by the way: your mom's dead - your fault, your dad's dead and your brother doesn't want you around, so grow up.)
Um..we don't see what Thanos did the Thor prior to the movie starting. So you have no evidence he choked Thor. He choked Loki and killed him. When the film opens Thor is already defeated then after Thanos fights Hulk a tired Thor tries to battle again and Thanos just knocks him down. There is zero evidence Thor was choked. Loki's sacrifice was not stupid. He took a shot at trying to catch Thanos by surprise which would have worked if Thanos did not use the space stone to stop Loki, the stone that Loki gave him. He took a shot at trying to save the universe before Thanos could get anymore stones and it almost worked. He probably didn't think he would die and that he would pull it off so its not so much a sacrifice as it is that Loki tried to kill him , it failed and Thanos made him pay for it.
Gamora his daughter also tried to killed him with a knife and thought she did but Thanos tricked her with the reality stone. so its not stupid. Iron Man tried to stab Thanos also and he had 4 stones at that point but then Thanos stabbed Tony. Tony is a genius and he was gonna stab him too. soo......
Loki was not acting stupidly. It was a a surprise attack that again would have worked if Thanos did not have the space stone. Gamora was not wishful thinking. She knew Thanos better than anyone. It was a knife Thanos gave her. It was strategy. My point is I gave you examples from the movie where more than 1 person tried to stab Thanos as way of defeating him despite the number of stones he had and in Thor's case it worked only he didn't kill Thanos right away. So your point that using a knife on Thanos is 'stupid' really is not a good argument with the examples I provided you. It's smart. You can't beat him when he uses the gauntlet so try to injury him physically so he can't use it. stab him, make him bleed out. He is not immortal like Ego the living planet was until they destroyed his planet core. He can bleed if you hit him hard enough and in the right spots which is why Gamora went for his neck and Thor went for his chest and Iron Man was going for his stomach. Loki also went for the neck. It was smart. Drax probably was just going to stab all parts of him until he found a weak point but the others had a strategy.
Fair enough. Good discussion though.
I won't rehash what was already discussed about this, but I'll just say that just because it was "stupid" in your opinion doesn't mean its any less of a self sacrifice. Which would have been out of character for the 2012 Loki which is the version that the show starts with.
YMMV (as will the Feige's). My opinions are simply my own.
Yes, there are many interpretations of the why and how depending on your perspective of his arc from the previous movies. The little boy who just wants to be loved angle that you originally outlined is just one side of this multi-sided character. That is ultimately why I disagreed with you, because its not that simple. He is not a one-sided character as your post portrayed.YMMV (as will the Feige's). My opinions are simply my own.
That said, yes, I think we are agreeing that they had to fast-forward Loki's re-rehabilitation to get this story going. We just disagree on how and why Loki got to where he did in the first place.
