SPOILERS! Discussion/reaction thread for Loki streaming Marvel series on Disney+ - new episodes begin June 9th!

[DCLcruiser]

They haven't explained.

But, I presume that blasting holes in The Sacred Timeline allows the timeline to heal itself with freedom to go off in different directions.

Or, perhaps there were infinity stones in those times and places and destroying them causes a branch.

I seem to get the impression that the timeline is constantly 'wanting' to split off and the TVA is on a constant race to clip the branches as soon as they appear. You don't need such a vast organization if branches were rare.

After watching the videos, I think some took the position that the dates where the Reset Charges were sent are all major events that lead to an outcome that Lady Loki doesn't agree with. So, the Reset Charges going off could prevent the prime event from taking place, thus altering the future of The Sacred Timeline (not a branch, but alter the original stream of time).

 

[Phicinfan]

They haven't explained.

But, I presume that blasting holes in The Sacred Timeline allows the timeline to heal itself with freedom to go off in different directions.

Or, perhaps there were infinity stones in those times and places and destroying them causes a branch.

I seem to get the impression that the timeline is constantly 'wanting' to split off and the TVA is on a constant race to clip the branches as soon as they appear. You don't need such a vast organization if branches were rare.

I believe Morbius hinted at this as he stated the time lords still have not completely aligned the sacred time line and when they do complete it that will remove all chaos. So that my be the key here.

I guess my main question is... why is "female" loki(Enchantress?? look at casting in 2nd show) doing this? Is she hoping to "blow up " the sacred timeline so she can live and no longer be a variant? I also wonder when Loki currently helping TVA realizes he is toast once this issue gets fixed?

 

[MisterPenguin]

I believe Morbius hinted at this as he stated the time lords still have not completely aligned the sacred time line and when they do complete it that will remove all chaos. So that my be the key here.

I guess my main question is... why is "female" loki(Enchantress?? look at casting in 2nd show) doing this? Is she hoping to "blow up " the sacred timeline so she can live and no longer be a variant? I also wonder when Loki currently helping TVA realizes he is toast once this issue gets fixed?

She could be from a timeline that the TVA is keen on erasing.

 

[DCLcruiser]

Does anyone else get the feeling that Mobius doesn't want the timeline finished? This will end his "life" and he doesn't seem 100% into the whole idea of blindly following the flow.

 

[Phicinfan]

Does anyone else get the feeling that Mobius doesn't want the timeline finished? This will end his "life" and he doesn't seem 100% into the whole idea of blindly following the flow.

Yes I got that vibe as well. I almost get the vibe he does want it complete so that he can go to a time he likes and live out his life with a jet ski

 

[DCLcruiser]

Yes I got that vibe as well. I almost get the vibe he does want it complete so that he can go to a time he likes and live out his life with a jet ski

I get the whole jet ski dream (The show annoys me bc the magazine showed a "wave-runner." A jet ski is stand up), but wouldn't all parties in the TVA cease to exist when the Time Keepers are done? They are worker drones, they are not part of the timeline. The TVA is in the Null-Time Zone, which is outside of Time.

 

[LSLS]

I believe Morbius hinted at this as he stated the time lords still have not completely aligned the sacred time line and when they do complete it that will remove all chaos. So that my be the key here.

I guess my main question is... why is "female" loki(Enchantress?? look at casting in 2nd show) doing this? Is she hoping to "blow up " the sacred timeline so she can live and no longer be a variant? I also wonder when Loki currently helping TVA realizes he is toast once this issue gets fixed?

They kind of hint at loki having the same thoughts throughout timelines. Could it be she wants to destroy the time keepers same as the loki hunting her said he wanted to do? Plays into the idea of trying to get the entire tva out and trying to fix the timeline, and that she had the one tva agent tell her where to find them.

 

[doctornick]

I haven't watched the Easter Egg videos yet but....why does setting off multiple Reset Charges cause new timelines? They are used to prune...

Well, the different charges all went to different places (they dropped through portals into different time/space before going off) so I'd guess that those charges when used in a "normal" timeline remove things they shouldn't and alter the Sacred Timeline

 

[DCLcruiser]

Well, the different charges all went to different places (they dropped through portals into different time/space before going off) so I'd guess that those charges when used in a "normal" timeline remove things they shouldn't and alter the Sacred Timeline

Yes, I think you are correct!

 

[MisterPenguin]

 

[Phicinfan]

I get the whole jet ski dream (The show annoys me bc the magazine showed a "wave-runner." A jet ski is stand up), but wouldn't all parties in the TVA cease to exist when the Time Keepers are done? They are worker drones, they are not part of the timeline. The TVA is in the Null-Time Zone, which is outside of Time.

Great question, and I wonder if that isn't leading to some major conclusion on this, maybe even the reason for female Loki's issues....
That the only end for variants, and those working TVA is oblivion if the mission is completed... Self realization is a major driver I think.

 

[NateD1226]

Lady Loki poster:

 

[waltography]

Man, this episode was so short, it felt like WandaVision all over again. How dare they leave me on that cliffhanger! Some random thoughts from this episode:

• Love the Minutemen intro to the episode—it was such a great way to tee up the reveal about the TVA.
• Tom and Sophia's chemistry is off the charts, I loved that Sylvie (Enchantress?) matched his energy.
• Also have to acknowledge the production work in this episode specifically: the editing in that single shot (which I assume must've been spliced together?) at the very end was so well done, and the music was on point this episode.

I really have no idea how this will play out given how the episode ended. My best guess is that this all happened in Loki's mind and Sylvie managed to enchant him somehow; Sylvie's monologue on how to enchant more powerful minds and the parallel framing shots of the beach bar vs. the dining car on the train feel purposeful.

 

[NateD1226]

 

[LSLS]

I kind of didn't like this episode. I like characters and everything, but I don't know, aside from the one line about tva agents not knowing they have history outside the tva, it just felt like nothing happened of consequence here.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

^ I don't disagree.

I finished it and went... wait... did anything (other than one MAJOR fan service ) happen in this episode or was it a lot of running around and doing nothing?

We learned:

• Loki is canonically bisexual - which both made me want to cheer with joy and simultaneously shrug:

-- but Happy Pride Month nonetheless!

• They're building Sylvie to be the MCU version of the Enchantress - but I couldn't tell if they're trying to pull elements from Sylvie Enchantress or Adora Enchantress or both or neither - TBD
• TVA workers are Variants - okay, interesting
• Tom Hiddleston not only is an adorable dancer (proven in many venues previously) but he's got a lovely lilting singing voice and really should have been cast as an Elf in LOTR

And that was pretty much it?

Was pretty impressed with some of the CGI given the non-theatrical budget and absolutely loved the color palette of the neon city at the end.

Otherwise...

 

[Phicinfan]

I am not quite sold that Sylvie is Enchantress and not a Loki variant. I think there is some wiggle room there....

Key items I got out of this...
1) TVA is not what we thought, they were not created solely for this role but are variants themselves and don't know it - the whole mind fog thing makes me think this leads to Kang or Time Keepers being the main bad guy here, or misuse of power kind of thing
2) Loki has some power, and it seems to be different than before. I don't know if he is expanding his power or if he slipped some infinity stones in his pocket. But the whole raising the building thing smacks of Time stone.....
3) I also don't think the "Loki's" are really trapped, my guess is the time pad he showed destroyed was illusion, and he still has the active pad.

Its clear here, the main drive will be to break up what the TVA was or did, and free up multiple universes which will lead to Dr. Strange and Spiderman No way home and Ant and Wasp Quantummania

 

[Disney Irish]

My thought is that this version of Sylvie was adopted by Odin/Frigga after "their" Loki was killed.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

My thought is that this version of Sylvie was adopted by Odin/Frigga after "their" Loki was killed.

But didn't she say her magic was self-taught? So that leaves out her being raised by Frigga or Karnilla or anyone who would have taught her.

 

[waltography]

But didn't she say her magic was self-taught? So that leaves out her being raised by Frigga or Karnilla or anyone who would have taught her.

A new featurette on Sylvie came out today on Marvel's YouTube page that features some new bits of scenes:



In particular, there's a scene at timestamp 0:40 that shows a young girl in Asgardian clothing that we can only presume is Sylvie being taken into the TVA. It's possible the TVA may have taken her in as a ward (like the other variants that populate it) and at some point she snapped out of it and realized what the TVA did, leading to her goal to take down the TVA. No idea how that may inform her motivation though; perhaps for destroying her home universe?