SPOILER: The Acolyte -- Disney+ Star Wars -- begins June 5, 2024

[flynnibus]

Neither character won nor lost the fight because they left the other one alive, hence why Palpatine angrily ordered the troops to “double their search” after they couldn’t find Yoda.

They went to the temple to discover what had happened, and when it was discovered it was Sidious and Skywalker - they set out to kill the sith and cut off the head of the snake. Yoda fails in that mission. His mission wasn't to delay, or challenge Sidious.. it was to end him. That was their stated purpose.

He failed and rather than push the attack more, he gives up the fight. No one stopped the fight but Yoda.. because he cuts and runs after making the determination he can't win. We call that losing when you fail to meet your objective

At that point Yoda concedes defeat and retreats from the planet... to determine another path to resist.

 

[Disney Irish]

I’m aware. But I’m specifically talking about the duel, which ended in a stalemate

So did Palps defeat Yoda to the point of killing him, no. But he did defeat him in the fact that the duel ended in Yoda not completing his task. Call it Palps having a hollow victory if you'd like, but its still a victory nonetheless.

 

[spacemt354]

They went to the temple to discover what had happened, and when it was discovered it was Sidious and Skywalker - they set out to kill the sith and cut off the head of the snake. Yoda fails in that mission. His mission wasn't to delay, or challenge Sidious.. it was to end him. That was their stated purpose.

He failed and rather than push the attack more, he gives up the fight. No one stopped the fight but Yoda.. because he cuts and runs after making the determination he can't win. We call that losing when you fail to meet your objective

At that point Yoda concedes defeat and retreats from the planet... to determine another path to resist.

Again, Palpatine’s objective was to kill Yoda. He failed. Yoda’s objective was to kill Palpatine. He failed. When both fail their objectives in a duel, we call that a stalemate

 

[Tha Realest]

So did Palps defeat Yoda to the point of killing him, no. But he did defeat him in the fact that the duel ended in Yoda not completing his task. Call it Palps having a hollow victory if you'd like, but it’s still a victory nonetheless.

Palpatine also outlived Yoda, and had offspring.

 

[Disney Irish]

Palpatine also outlived Yoda, and had offspring.

And was cloned and had a granddaughter.

 

[flynnibus]

Again, Palpatine’s objective was to kill Yoda. He failed. Yoda’s objective was to kill Palpatine. He failed. When both fail their objectives in a duel, we call that a stalemate

ehh.. Yoda sought him out, not the other way around. Sidiuous tried to leave the fight from the start... Yoda forced the issue. Sidiuous couldn't finish Yoda because Yoda escaped - not because of a draw. Sidiuous tried to persue but Yoda eluded them. Sidiuous's position remained intact while Yoda failed in his objective and retreated. In every definition of conflicts that's a loss.

No one calls Gettysburg a draw because they failed to kill Lee... lol

 

[Prince-1]

Well that was a crap ending to a pretty mediocre show.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Peek-a-boo Plageis!

I liked it. Would like a second season.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Started and ended ultimately nowhere.

That is the end of that.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Well that was a crap ending to a pretty mediocre show.

Yep. Same old plan.

 

[BrianLo]

I guess we'll find out shortly if it gets a renewal or not...

If it doesn't make a mention at D23, at the very latest, I think that will be affirmation on its fate. I guess it can be pruned without huge harm in the sense that the Felloni-verse is sort of all they have going.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I guess we'll find out shortly if it gets a renewal or not...

If it doesn't make a mention at D23, at the very latest, I think that will be affirmation on its fate. I guess it can be pruned without huge harm in the sense that the Felloni-verse is sort of all they have going.

Just more failure

It’s almost intentional at this point

 

[BrianLo]

For the record, I'd be fine if it got renewed. Especially in light of the remaining cast at this juncture. Manny Jacinto did a solid job and I'd like to see the scaffolding of him versus Venestra's fallout.

Not to say a second season needs a bit more quality to it, if they pursue it. But D+ lacks a lot of continuity of seasons. Plus, for all intents and purposes the cast next season would be mostly renewed.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Well they did it, there he is, Darth Pandemic in the flesh... Found a brightened image to get a better look too.

Spoiler

This will probably get a season 2 despite the negativity. They ended on a lot of obvious cliffhangers. Then again, maybe they'll relegate it to something cheaper like an animated show like the Tales series. Or even a comic book, they did that in an attempt (albeit a poor one) to flesh out the backstories for Kylo Ren and Snoke.

Though part of me just thinks they should go ahead and do a proper season 2, but have a stern discussion with the showrunner about where priorities should be focused on and that she should make sure they wrap it up by the finale with no more cliffhanger BS. Or better yet, replace the showrunner entirely.

Qimir and his actor is keeping this show from being a total train wreck. He and the mysteries of his backstory (plus his fight scenes) are much more interesting and satisfying than anyone else.

 

[mf1972]

overall, i thought the show had potential, but ultimately it made me feel boba fett was better. i don’t think i even cared for any of these characters. i did like the “little” cameo at the end.

 

[C33Mom]

I did not find the ending especially satisfying (I won’t elaborate on the particulars here just yet) but I did appreciate the peek at the Sith Master more or less confirming that SmileoRen is the current Sith apprentice.

There were a few twists that didn’t make sense (including a major theme) but a few great scenes as well. I will watch a second season if it’s made…but I might wait to watch it until the season is finished.

 

[MisterPenguin]

This is the SPOILER thread. No need to hold back.

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Under Filoni, all Star Wars TV shows have been crafted to support the canonical movies, especially how Palpatine somehow came back.

The High Republic books give a prequel prequel leading up to Episode One of the prequel trilogy. The Acolyte comes in between those High Republic books and Episode One. This means, they'll be telling the tragic story of Darth Plagueis and how his pupil killed him. And they'll also be telling the story of how Anakin was born of The Force and how the Jedi wound up believing in the prophecy of The One who will restore balance to the Force.

And over and over again ("it's like poetry, it rhymes") they'll show that under the Rule of Two, the pupil will always secretly train their own pupil so that, together, they can kill the Sith Master.

The witches were able to use The Force to create life. And the life they created was a Dyad. And Dyads have especially strong connection to The Force (which the Palpatine clone was draining in order to heal in Ep 9).

On social media, some have been decrying how this takes away Anakin's specialness. I see it as explaining why he was special.

Funny how some on social media hate that Anakin's creation is now being explained. I remember when in Ep 1, it was revealed Anakin was a 'virgin birth,' how people hated that coming out of the blue and not being explained.

 

[erasure fan1]

Yep. Same old plan.

It played out as many of us thought. A lot of us were hoping they could stick the landing, but a zebra doesn't change its stripes I guess. Aside from not satisfactorily ending the questions of this season, they go and introduce 4 or 5 significant new ones.

I thought the Sol/Qimer fight was pretty good. The show needed more of that. Trying to portray Sol as wrong for killing the witch just didn't work for me. There's a very good argument to be made as to why Sol was right.

Unfortunately this played out very similar to the sequels for me. The first two episodes I had hope, just like force awakens. But by the time it all ended, it just made what I liked retroactively worse. I really don't have a desire for a second season. Just leave it and release a book or a 4 part comic to give the people who want to see how it really ends the chance.

 

[Jedijax719]

Pretty good finale despite a meh series. To me, the finale itself warrants a season 2 even if I didn't see the need coming. With Yoda and Plagueis teased, there becomes a need to continue, but they can flash forward if they wanted to a bit.

 

[flynnibus]

And over and over again ("it's like poetry, it rhymes") they'll show that under the Rule of Two, the pupil will always secretly train their own pupil so that, together, they can kill the Sith Master.

This is the part that I wish the show had hinted on in some way... when we see yet ANOTHER sith hiding... it threw me for a loop because of the rule of two.. that and without more external references the hint of this guy is completely 'huh?' for a show watcher.

Trying to portray Sol as wrong for killing the witch just didn't work for me. There's a very good argument to be made as to why Sol was right.

Because you've been rejecting the show's story the entire time. The Senator's role in this episode solidifies what we've been trying to tell you the last weeks in this thread. The story here is the fallibility of the Jedi as individuals.

That the image of the Jedi as this pure, selfless, white knight of the galaxy isn't as true as they would leave you to believe and there are factions in the republic that see it as a front... Believing the Jedi are "a massive system of unchecked power, posing as a religion, a delusional cult that claims to control the uncontrollable. Your emotions. You project an image of goodness and restraint, but it's only a matter of time before one of you snaps."

The dialog pretty much confirms the premise we've been pointing out here about Sol's character. Additionally, we get the plot twist now that with Vernestra's actions that we see the concern about the Jedi are not just smoke.. but there is corruption and self-preservation going on deep in the leadership too.

Sowing ideas in the audience of how the Jedi are perceived from different POV in the republic and the era. Ideas that help support the agenda that Palpatine uses to support his overthrow of the Jedi and painting them as traitors in RoTS. A notion that never could be accepted by the governed if there isn't distrust of the Jedi's intentions.

That is the exposition in this season. A reveal that unwinds around the Jedi's investigation and handling of the vergence and the twins.