SPOILER: The Acolyte -- Disney+ Star Wars -- begins June 5, 2024

[erasure fan1]

I lol'd at the concern over limited runtime... while the technique is frequently used in 90-120min movies...

Dude just can't see past his own desires for wanting a different story to be told.

I lol'd at your ability to read what's being said. Are you that connected to Disney/Lucasfilm that you will spin everything to try and defend the show? At no point did I say I wanted a different story to be told. I've said multiple times, and I'm sure you will ignore it again, that there's a good story in there. It's just not told particularly well. And most of the world seems to agree. I'd say you can't see past your desire for everyone to love the show as much as you do.

 

[flynnibus]

When the same information is laid out exactly the same, a different camera angle doesn't count. It adds nothing to show a different perspective

Except the impact of actually SEEING IT DIFFERENTLY. There is impact here besides the literal duplication of information.

Why do directors have actors read something aloud to themselves when reading something we see on screen? It's the same information right???

These are filmmaking and story techniques that are well established and effective. I am dumbfounded by your obliviousness to their purpose and value.

 

[Disney Irish]

That is true people are very reactionary. But I also don't think people who have good intentions start with violence. If that was myself, if my decision was to let my child go, that's what I lead with when they come to get them. Notice they weren't coming back for Mae. If the Jedi were supposed to be the bad guys, they just show up and take the girls. It's just an odd choice in my opinion.

You're only think about this from what you would do, not from what others would do. That is why I think you're having an issue with this. I've seen many people do things that are against their own self interests in my life. So its not an odd choice if you think about it from that perspective.

Again, I agree. I'm strictly talking about the scenes with no change. When the same information is laid out exactly the same, a different camera angle doesn't count. It adds nothing to show a different perspective. It's literally showing the same thing we've seen already. The episodes only average 25/27min, so that time is extremely precious. All I'm saying is they could have used their time much more effectively.

Except its not the exact same scene playing out the same way, it different in that its told from a different point-of-view, there is new information being given with new details about the scene.

As I've said before its very much like Kurosawa's Rashomon.

 

[Screamface]

This cost $180 million. Adjusting for inflation Revenge of the Sith cost $165 million.

Even the few (one) person I know who were initially enjoying the show ended up thinking it was really bad by the end. I have to assume the culture at Lucasfilm is so toxic those who know better just shut up, let the bad product be made in the hopes that those in control fail and are pushed out sooner than later. If they did speak up it would be met badly, and there's no point trying to rescue bad product to mediocre as that may keep the wrong people in charge longer.

 

[Serpico Jones]

I just don’t understand how the Disney board can allow this to continue. Are they asleep over there?

 

[MisterPenguin]

I just don’t understand how the Disney board can allow this to continue. Are they asleep over there?

"To continue"?

This is the first time that a Disney SW series missed the top ten for one of the weeks it was playing.

What exactly is "continuing"?

 

[C33Mom]

"To continue"?

This is the first time that a Disney SW series missed the top ten for one of the weeks it was playing.

What exactly is "continuing"?

“How can they let The Mandolorian continue?!?!?”

::tears garments::

Look, I would have made most of the Disney+ series differently too—but I like most of them at least as much as TLJ. I don’t think people should assume that handing it off to anybody else is necessarily going to be better. People seem to forget that Lucas himself gave us like an hour of Jar Jar Binks content.

 

[sedati]

Overall I liked the show very much. Like Last Jedi and Andor I appreciated the effort at tackling more sophisticated themes.

I expect to enjoy it more on repeated viewings as has been the case with every show and film as I will be watching it for what it is versus my own expectations and wants. While I don't love everything equally, there has yet to be a project that doesn't have some of my favorite Star Wars in it. Here I got spectacular fights, great design work in a new era (love the use of colors and the Flash Gordon influences.) and great acting.

I will say that I think the California production team is getting more bang for its buck that the European branch. Mandalorian, Ahsoka, Fett, all delivered ambitious and cinematic scenes. Andor and Acolyte may have had more practicality, but I'm not sure it's worth the cost.

Looking forward to "Skeleton Crew" and am happy at how different each project is which shows how diverse Star Wars can be while still being Star Wars.

(Theory time- Plagueis is still apprentice to Tenebrous and is seeking an Acolyte. There are many dark side users in the galaxy at any time, but only two official Sith, maintained through a consistent lineage of master and apprentice. Qimer is simply a dark side user, possibly seeking out the Sith or hoping to garner their attention. This doesn't mean he can't start his own group which is why he's looking to recruit (Knights of Ren, etc.) Plagueis may have been watching Qimer, but now may be looking to Osha instead.)

 

[Serpico Jones]

"To continue"?

This is the first time that a Disney SW series missed the top ten for one of the weeks it was playing.

What exactly is "continuing"?

With the exception of The Mandalorian the numbers have been dwindling with each series.

 

[sedati]

I'll also say again that the music for this show was amazing and not only true to Williams, but able to seemlessly integrate his work with the new.

Some interesting design work as well. This feels like Cloud City mixed with the Emperor's Throne Room.

Speaking of Bespin, here we have the seating arrangement of the Twin Pod Cloud Car with Tie-Fighter like foils and cockpits resembling those of Y-Wings.

And again, I love Vanestra's ship design.

 

[MisterPenguin]

With the exception of The Mandalorian the numbers have been dwindling with each series.

OB1 - 3.2B
Andor - 4.2B

I believe that's an increase.

 

[Phroobar]

And again, I love Vanestra's ship design.
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I wonder if Hasbro will make Vanestra's ship. We are getting the E-Wing from Ashoka for Christmas.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I dug it. Something different. Some Jedi history. Still ties in with everything else. And I’m not bothered casting variety.

I hope they do another season.

I still find most people complaining about movies, rides, and TV shows don’t have the imagination to wonder “where is it going” instead of just slamming it for not going the way they wanted or thought.

 

[DKampy]

I still find most people complaining about movies, rides, and TV shows don’t have the imagination to wonder “where is it going” instead of just slamming it for not going the way they wanted or thought.

This exactly… I feel people all review media these days based on their own expectations… I always try to check my expectations at the door… it’s all an art form and the creator’s interpretation of where it would go

A great example of this was Doctor Strange: MOM… everyone had built up in their head the multiple cameos that were going to appear… when that did not happen many were disappointed… but it was a Sam Rami interpretation of a Doctor Strange film and as a Sam Rami fan…I thought it was great

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

I thought this series was solid overall.

It did feel a bit like we were waiting for something big to happen, and didn't quite get it, other than a few cool lightsaber battles.

It ended on a note of, look at the cool things coming in season 2, but wasn't quite satisfying enough as a standalone series.

I do like that a TV series allows time to give characters a story arc where they don't turn good or evil overnight, which seems to happen abruptly within the confines of a two-hour movie.

 

[C33Mom]

I do like that a TV series allows time to give characters a story arc where they don't turn good or evil overnight, which seems to happen abruptly within the confines of a two-hour movie.

That is actually my quibble here. They gave us a solid background of Osha being good (dispassionate and self-sacrificing) many times and then she suddenly snaps and turns evil. I thought we were slowly seeing the set up for Sol turning evil due to his fear and attachment. In any event, it didn’t take away from my appreciation of them doing additional world building and keep us in suspense for the final few episodes.

 

[Screamface]

I do like that a TV series allows time to give characters a story arc where they don't turn good or evil overnight, which seems to happen abruptly within the confines of a two-hour movie.

Good for you if you enjoyed it.

I am of a different view. I felt everything was underdeveloped less than expected from a two-hour movie.

 

[MisterPenguin]

That is actually my quibble here. They gave us a solid background of Osha being good (dispassionate and self-sacrificing) many times and then she suddenly snaps and turns evil. I thought we were slowly seeing the set up for Sol turning evil due to his fear and attachment. In any event, it didn’t take away from my appreciation of them doing additional world building and keep us in suspense for the final few episodes.

She snapped because she was lied to by the person she trusted the most, who killed her 'mom.' She also learned that it wasn't her sister who killed the rest of the witches with the fire she accidentally set. And we discover it was this gnawing anger and grief which kept her from becoming a Jedi.

 

[C33Mom]

She snapped because she was lied to by the person she trusted the most, who killed her 'mom.' She also learned that it wasn't her sister who killed the rest of the witches with the fire she accidentally set. And we discover it was this gnawing anger and grief which kept her from becoming a Jedi.

I hear you but the pivot was extremely sudden—we were told about the anger and grief in the final minutes of the show, instead of being shown it gradually over time. I also think she heard the least flattering possible version of the facts. As a litigator, it was painful to watch. I wanted to scream “tell her about what Mae said on the ship, and the witches possessing Kelnscca, and what Mother Korill said about dying before letting her go!” Also, are you sure it wasn’t the fire that killed the witches? I feel like that was open-ended.

 

[sedati]

She snapped because she was lied to by the person she trusted the most, who killed her 'mom.' She also learned that it wasn't her sister who killed the rest of the witches with the fire she accidentally set. And we discover it was this gnawing anger and grief which kept her from becoming a Jedi.

Guess Star Wars fans aren't keen on the Joker's "all it takes is one bad day" theory.