SPOILER: The Acolyte -- Disney+ Star Wars -- begins June 5, 2024

[lazyboy97o]

My point was that the book held a greater attraction with The Acolyte not even top of mind for immediate consumption. Zero anticipation

You just said you thought of it as it was being released. That’s pretty top of mind even if you decided to do something else. Then you thought about it more and felt the need to share about how you thought of it as it was being released. If it really fell out of your mind you wouldn’t be telling us right now less than 24 hours after the episode was released.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

There was a musical cue, I know this is the spoiler thread but just in case...

Spoiler

Of Kylo Ren's theme with him in Episode 5. So the assumption is he may be part of, or the start of the Knights of Ren. Which are dark side users, but not actual Sith. Unfortunately, they were clearly improperly used in the sequel trilogy and quickly discarded.

I know about that, but i'm not sure it will connect specifically to the Knights of Ren. The theme is used more as Kylo Ren's theme specifically. They also use a light-side variant for Ben Solo when he turns good again.

The Knights of Ren in other bits of canon were said to be marginally force sensitive, but not remotely on the same level as real jedi or sith (probably not even as powerful as inquisitors, all of whom were former jedi).

Qimir slaughtered 7 jedi with ease. And as Yord mentions, it wasn't just a matter of skill and raw power, Qimir also invaded and messed with their minds while he was fighting them. Qimir also had the clear upper hand against Master Sol until Sol becomes angry and channels the dark side himself. The series imples that Sol is very powerful. So whether he's a genuine Sith or not, I get the sense that Qimir probably has the necessary power to qualify as one.

 

[Phroobar]

Well the Knights of Ren did have red lightsabers and do have names. Could this guy be one of them?

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Well the Knights of Ren did have red lightsabers and do have names. Could this guy be one of them?

Only their original human leader (who refers to himself as just "Ren") used a lightsaber. A saber that was taken from his predecessor in the Knights. And was in all liklihood stolen or scavenged, not won in a fair fight. He was the most powerful of the group, but that isn't saying anything because he was still relatively weak. I suspect not even be force sensitive enough to bring a lightsaber crystal to life on his own (or bleed one). He attempted to duel Darth Vader in a comic book and was immediately made a fool of. Vader considered him so weak that he was unworthy of holding a lightsaber. A comment that Vader never said to any of the other countless jedi and inquisitors he's fought and killed. "Ren" was only able to kill a single weak padawan.

The other Knights of Ren are even weaker than he is and don't wield lightsabers. They're basically just marginally force sensitive pirates who have over-inflated egos. Their original leader also intentionally burns himself with his own saber as a lightsaber-worshipping ritual.

Qimir on the other hand is exceptionally powerful. If he isn't actually a legitimate Sith, by all appearances he looks fully qualified to be one. He force pushed eight jedi at once, including Sol. And he decimated all of them quite easily except for a dark side channeling Sol.

 

[Disney Irish]

Personally I don't need action in every episode, I like a good exposition episode, provides lots of character development.

Clearly Vernestra was Qimir's former Jedi master, or at least was one of the Jedi that had him removed.

The real question I have is who is Qimir's Sith master, if he has one. And since we're right in the timeline (he's about 15ish supposedly during this period) where does Plagueis fall into this situation? Headland is already talking a season 2, so maybe we'll get an answer to that.

 

[Disney Irish]

Btw, did anyone else notice how the island that Osha and Qimir were on looked fairly similar to Jedi island on Ahch-To.

 

[erasure fan1]

Personally I don't need action in every episode, I like a good exposition episode, provides lots of character development.

That's fair, I don't mind one either. The issue I have with series so far, is the majority of the show has been exposition. There was a nice action scene to start the series and most of episode 5. After that it's been pretty sparse. Andor suffered from the same issue. I know there are people who really like that side of star wars. But there's a reason it was basically ignored by the general audience.

When you spend nearly 200mil on a show, you should really be aiming for as big of an audience as possible. I'll say it again, it's not over until it's over. We have 2 more episodes to give us that duel of the fates or I am your father endings. Something that makes us say, holy poop! I'm just a bit worried they've past the point of not having to rush the end. We'll find out soon enough.

 

[erasure fan1]

Btw, did anyone else notice how the island that Osha and Qimir were on looked fairly similar to Jedi island on Ahch-To.

Yes, it's honestly the first thing I thought. But as they panned out, you could see right away it wasn't. But I'm guessing it has significance like it though. A place that channels the force in some way. It seemed to me that there has to be a reason Qimir stripped down buck naked and went into the water. Is it a tangled magic flower type thing? He seems pretty young to have been a Jedi a long time ago. Maybe he's older than we think and the force powers in the water somehow help him stay young?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

PEBCAK

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[Sirwalterraleigh]

The only thing that comes to mind now is: resignation

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Btw, did anyone else notice how the island that Osha and Qimir were on looked fairly similar to Jedi island on Ahch-To.

Yes, it's honestly the first thing I thought. But as they panned out, you could see right away it wasn't. But I'm guessing it has significance like it though. A place that channels the force in some way. It seemed to me that there has to be a reason Qimir stripped down buck naked and went into the water. Is it a tangled magic flower type thing? He seems pretty young to have been a Jedi a long time ago. Maybe he's older than we think and the force powers in the water somehow help him stay young?

There's an extremely relevant planet with a pretty much identical biome to Ahch-To in Legends. It's also one of only about five locations in the entire galaxy that was a rich source of cortosis. Perhaps the ONLY one that still had significant amounts during the waning days of the Republic. Bal'demnic-

Bal'demnic

Bal'demnic was an ocean planet adorned with rocky tropical islands in the Bak'rofsen system of the Auril sector, located within the Outer Rim Territories. The hostility of its native Kon'me species, together with its extremely harsh climate, discouraged most people from ever visiting the planet...

starwars.fandom.com

It was also majorly important in the Tenebrous and Plagueis stories. They both sought to control the cortosis resources of the planet. But it's also the planet where Plagueis killed Tenebrous and assumed the title of sith master.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Hmmm... a possibility...

Qimir is the acolyte of a true Sith Lord and he's looking for his own acolyte so that the two of them can kill the true Sith Lord.

Such things have happened in canon several times already. Like George says, "it rhymes."

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Incidentally, Qimir's dueling style reminds me a lot of Sidious. Specifically Sidious when he's portrayed by a stuntman or CGI double and not Ian McDiarmid. Episode 3 test footage with stunt doubles, and the Clone Wars series. It's insanely fast and ninja-like, but is also feral and unpredictable. Very aggressive.




In Legends, there were seven traditional lightsaber forms. The one that Sidious and Maul used was form 7. It was pretty unanimously considered a Sith form and was banned by the jedi order from being taught (though Yoda and a couple of other lightsaber instructors were allowed to learn the form in order to defend against it and prevent students from using it). They only taught students the prior 6 forms. Form 7 was very dangerous to both the opponent and also wielder. It's unpredictable and aggressive by nature and fueled by the dark side. Employing moves that the jedi consider incompatible with their beliefs. Mace Windu was able to invent a variation adaptable for jedi use, but he was its sole practitioner as it corrupted all others who tried.

At least four of the Legends lightsaber forms now exist in canon thanks to Rebels. Grand Inquisitor stated that Kanan Jarus and his master use form 3 (which was a purely defensive style that Obi Wan switched to after the death of Qui Gon). Grand Inquisitor himself fights similarly to Count Dooku, which was form 2 and takes a lot of elements from classical fencing. A hologram of Anakin mentions that Ahsoka uses form 4, which emphasizes acrobatics such as flips and spins/rotations (Yoda and Qui Gon also use form 4).

If form 7 still exists in canon, then I would definitely guess it's what Qimir uses. It fits very well with how he fights, especially with what Yord said about there being no rules or method to any of his moves. He even casually and arrogantly switches his lightsaber off during a lull in the fight like Sidious does in Clone Wars. It could also lend credence to Qimir being a real Sith, or at least trained by one. It would be very unlikely that he would learn such a form from the Jedi.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Yes, it's honestly the first thing I thought. But as they panned out, you could see right away it wasn't. But I'm guessing it has significance like it though. A place that channels the force in some way. It seemed to me that there has to be a reason Qimir stripped down buck naked and went into the water. Is it a tangled magic flower type thing? He seems pretty young to have been a Jedi a long time ago. Maybe he's older than we think and the force powers in the water somehow help him stay young?

The show creator confirmed it's a different planet but similar. I find it odd they would choose such a similar location that you think it it Ahch-To at first. What purpose did that serve?

Why not make it similar but visually a bit more different? But this is the franchise that gave us Jakuu instead of Tatooine so it's par for the course.

A bunch more on what the mystery planet could be and what it could represent:

No, That Wasn't Ahch-To In The Acolyte, Showrunner Confirms

Is Ahch-To in The Acolyte?

screenrant.com

HEADLAND: It's not Ahch-To. I know it's similar, and it was intentionally supposed to be similar in terms of terrain and feeling isolated and surrounded by water and less lush green and more rocky. But the idea is that cortosis is mined on this planet, so I don't think that's the case with Ahch-To. Part of the reason this is his home base is that cortosis is a very rare metal. I don't think we say it explicitly in the show, but that's a reason it's not Ahch-To.

 

[BrianLo]

There's an extremely relevant planet with a pretty much identical biome to Ahch-To in Legends. It's also one of only about five locations in the entire galaxy that was a rich source of cortosis. Perhaps the ONLY one that still had significant amounts during the waning days of the Republic. Bal'demnic-

Bal'demnic

Bal'demnic was an ocean planet adorned with rocky tropical islands in the Bak'rofsen system of the Auril sector, located within the Outer Rim Territories. The hostility of its native Kon'me species, together with its extremely harsh climate, discouraged most people from ever visiting the planet...

starwars.fandom.com

It was also majorly important in the Tenebrous and Plagueis stories. They both sought to control the cortosis resources of the planet. But it's also the planet where Plagueis killed Tenebrous and assumed the title of sith master.

It's the impossibly deep cut stuff like this (way above my meagre fandom), that suggests to me this series had oversight. I think a lot of the presumptions to the contrary were mostly in bad faith.

The Internet is looking for the "gotcha" on this series, but it feels too much like Filoni got a script pass. For better and worse.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It's the impossibly deep cut stuff like this (way above my meagre fandom), that suggests to me this series had oversight. I think a lot of the presumptions to the contrary were mostly in bad faith.

The Internet is looking for the "gotcha" on this series, but it feels too much like Filoni got a script pass. For better and worse.

Not a lot of time to do something here

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

I enjoyed this (too short again) episode more than the previous one thanks to Manny Jacinto and for confirmation that Sol indeed knew it was Mae not Osha he'd taken with him.

Didn't love how Parent Trap the episode was - Let's learn about how YOU were raised while we were apart! Hey, your parents are cooler than mine!

Also don't think that reversing the old "male watches the female strip naked to swim/sunbathe/take a bath" was any less creepy or gross when Osha watched Manny's character get naked and then full on stared at him while he got dressed. Even though - as expected - he was aware of her. Still a really unnecessary trope. And not even original in Star Wars after the Rey Force-sees bare chested Kylo nonsense, too.

 

[Disney Irish]

It's the impossibly deep cut stuff like this (way above my meagre fandom), that suggests to me this series had oversight. I think a lot of the presumptions to the contrary were mostly in bad faith.

The Internet is looking for the "gotcha" on this series, but it feels too much like Filoni got a script pass. For better and worse.

Headland is a fan of Legends, she took a lot of elements from the books.

 

[sedati]

I really like the design of Vanestra's ship. Very Flash Gordon meets Star Wars. As that was Lucas's original inspiration, makes sense the the longer- long time ago would evoke it.

 

[Phroobar]

How come there are no toy ships for this show?