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SPOILER: The Acolyte -- Disney+ Star Wars -- begins June 5, 2024
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doctornick
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The show is plodding alone. Reveal was nothing special as it was who I had guessed before but I did think he at least seemed to have some sensible motivation. Curious if we learn more about his origins and how he learned to use the Force (and if he is a "known" previously mentioned Sith).
Very disappointed in Jecki dying as she was a high point in this series and I was looking forward to the show featuring her more. I was even a bit sad with losing Yord - he seemed more engaging than Mae/Osha honestly.
I guess that is what is kinda come down for me. It's not that the show is bad, but I feel like there are some actual different interesting things going on that would be fun to see a show about. I can't believe they had a Wookiee Jedi and didn't even feature him in any real way. Such a waste.
The whole twin dynamic just is kinda overplayed and not very well executed here. I hope there is some real payoff in terms what what happened with the fire/witches/etc and explains why the one Jedi was willing to commit suicide, but given past Disney+ shows I'm not optimistic. Very few have effectively "stuck the landing".
Very disappointed in Jecki dying as she was a high point in this series and I was looking forward to the show featuring her more. I was even a bit sad with losing Yord - he seemed more engaging than Mae/Osha honestly.
I guess that is what is kinda come down for me. It's not that the show is bad, but I feel like there are some actual different interesting things going on that would be fun to see a show about. I can't believe they had a Wookiee Jedi and didn't even feature him in any real way. Such a waste.
The whole twin dynamic just is kinda overplayed and not very well executed here. I hope there is some real payoff in terms what what happened with the fire/witches/etc and explains why the one Jedi was willing to commit suicide, but given past Disney+ shows I'm not optimistic. Very few have effectively "stuck the landing".
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I agree with all of this, except I would put Yord/Osha/Mae all as equally meh. Jecki seemed both the most likeable (and closest to the ANH/ESB idea of what a Jedi knight should be), and I really wanted more Jedi wookie action sequences and maybe character development.
Depending on how they wrap up loose ends, I think my final verdict could be anywhere from “actually quite good but I didn’t really enjoy it” to “a disappointing tale of mostly unlikeable characters” — aside from being a SW fan generally, I’m absolutely not the specific demo for this show (I thought Rogue One was too dark to be enjoyable) but I can still appreciate that it may be capable of adding texture and variety to the SW universe. No matter what happens, it’s unlikely to offend me more than killing off Han Solo (like an optimistic schmuck) did.
erasure fan1
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That's really where I'm at as well. If the last few episodes are great, and the ending is great, I can look past a lot of the flaws. For all its flaws, I left the theater after watching phantom menace pretty positive. I had issues with Jar Jar, young Anakin, Yippie! Nightmare fuel yoda. Lol. But that ending stuck with me. Quigon, obiwan, maul, Williams score... I had to see it again.
The second time I liked it more because I was able to look past some of those things because I already knew it was coming so it wasn't as jarring. I think the same can be said for the acolyte. If it ends strong, I'll go back and watch binge style. That way I can bet things like the chant, some of the dialogue... won't be so bothersome. I'd bet the show would flow a bit better not having to wait a week for each episode. I mean 4&5 was one larger episode split in two.
So I think a lot is riding on this ending for the legacy of this show. I don't think will ever hit the upper echelon of star wars, there's just too many issues. But with a solid finish, it can be a worthy show that tells a interesting side story in the universe. Unfortunately it could also go the opposite way with a bad ending.
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I think all 3 of them seemed even more suspicious by the end of the episode. Unless the episodes get a lot longer, I genuinely don’t know how they can do the other perspective of what happened on Brendok and wrap up even 90% of the loose ends in 2 episodes…I’m hoping we only get Sol’s (acccurate?) retelling and don’t get a whole episode from Mae’s perspective only to then get Sol’a after.
Former master or current master?
erasure fan1
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That's been Disneys issue with most of their shows. They spend too much time meandering around, then run out of time and have to rush the ending.
That's seems to be the setup. Maybe it's misdirection, but they've been pretty straightforward with what they are doing this whole show. I'd be more surprised if it wasn't her.
See, I really thought last week would be the start of the exciting push to the end. I really didn't expect another all exposition episode. It was a very disappointing episode after last weeks in my opinion. I'm not saying it needed all mega fights and lightsabers. But some action, aside from showing the whip to connect to the scar, would have been good. Something like Osha actually attacking Qimir and him just toying with her, think Vader and Luke in empire. Just a little something to break up the straight exposition.
Jedijax719
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I'm getting bored with this show actually. How does this all fit in with Darth Plaguis and how did Qimir actually become a Sith out of nowhere?
Phroobar
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A lot of streaming shows have this story structure. They introduce the good and bad guys. Good and bad guys sniff each other out and fight. Neither side wins but are pretty beat up. Lots of exposition as they regroup or train. The good and bad guys fight one more time and the good guy wins. Season 2 intros new bad guy and we repeat.
lazyboy97o
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networkpro
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- In the Parks
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Meh, I lost interest enough that I didnt even bother with this weeks stroll though sets and costumes. Didnt even think about it until last night and I picked up a book instead (well it was an ebook).
BrianLo
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It just aired last night.
BrianLo
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As we grow nearer to the conclusion I’m siding on a 7/10 personal rating, but that the show needs to be more binged to hit that marker. Either the episodes could have been a bit longer or maybe the show would have benefited from a four week release schedule made in that manner.
I incidentally consumed Andor in a four arc chunk. I kept forgetting about it then watched three episodes at a time. Which was honestly the perfect way to consume that show as well.
I don’t inherently like the dumping of shows as Netflix engages in constantly, as it eliminates all shared watching experience. But there is some benefit in flexibility depending on how they’ve mapped it out.
I incidentally consumed Andor in a four arc chunk. I kept forgetting about it then watched three episodes at a time. Which was honestly the perfect way to consume that show as well.
I don’t inherently like the dumping of shows as Netflix engages in constantly, as it eliminates all shared watching experience. But there is some benefit in flexibility depending on how they’ve mapped it out.
erasure fan1
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Agreed. But I wouldn't give a number until it ends. The satisfaction of the ending could have a big sway on my final thought. It very much feels like this show was made with less episodes in mind, than chopped up to pad the number of weeks.
Because that's how it was shot according to Gilroy. And you can really tell. Watching it again in blocks like that made it much better in my opinion. The weekly episodes worked great for mando season 1 & 2 because each week had it's own little story with an overarching storyline behind it. So each episode was fulfilling on its own. Acolyte has 3 episodes that aren't.
networkpro
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- In the Parks
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My point was that the book held a greater attraction with The Acolyte not even top of mind for immediate consumption. Zero anticipation
MerlinTheGoat
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I want to like Sol, but the writing for him has been very frustrating. Far too much of him saying he'll finally explain everything, only for yet another distraction to crop up to kick the can down the road. Mae's flip flopping is stupid and nonsensical. The show drags and often goes nowhere with a bunch of pointless bits that could and should have been cut. Thus far, this entire first season feels like it could have been easily and massively trimmed down and been far better paced as a result.
Qimir is carrying this show (not surprised given his biceps). I genuinely enjoy his character and the actor's performance. He (along with several of the jedi who fought him) also gave us the best lightsaber fight since the prequels.
I'm still iffy whether Qimir is a real Sith, despite what he claims. He also lacks yellow eyes, pale skin and other traits that true Sith usually have (these can be disguised, but he seems not to have them even after being unmasked). He's sort of acting like a loner at the moment, and implies he was once a Jedi (it was very uncommon for former jedi to become true sith, especially in the millenia while the sith were still hidden where it presented much greater risk of discovery). That makes me wonder if he's more of a wannabe rather than the real deal. He also says he has no name, he doesn't even use a "Darth" title. So he may not have had a master that bestowed him such a title. He also says he was a jedi a "very long time ago", but still seems pretty young and a normal human, so i'm a bit iffy about that too. Is he much older than he appears? I guess it's plausible he could be, especially if they end up dabbling in Sith lords who can prevent people from dying.
I'm not sure if they'll even use Plagueis though. While Disney has used SOME Legends material (cortosis) and characters (like Darth Bane and Thrawn), they've also shifted around quite a bit of it and disregarded a lot more than they've used. In Legends, Plagueis was the same species as the leader of the Banking Clan seen in Ep 2 and 3 of the prequels. And was supposed to be Sidious' master. All of this was what Lucas intended. That said, the film dialog never explcitly states any of this, so there's wiggle room for Disney to just disregard everything other than his name. Plagueis in Disney's new canon might just be a Sith from ancient times, or even someone Sidious invented to tempt Anakin. Tenebrous is even more subject to being stricken from canon given that his backstory was Legends-only and wasn't even a Lucas character. His name was used in Episode 9, but it doesn't mean he's still Plagueis' master anymore.
Another thing i'm curious about is whether Disney will keep the idea of the Sith still existing in secret for that 1000 years they were thought extinct. Or if they'll change it to where they actually did go extinct, and Sidious and his alleged master only picked up the pieces that were left behind 1000 years ago.
Qimir is carrying this show (not surprised given his biceps). I genuinely enjoy his character and the actor's performance. He (along with several of the jedi who fought him) also gave us the best lightsaber fight since the prequels.
I'm still iffy whether Qimir is a real Sith, despite what he claims. He also lacks yellow eyes, pale skin and other traits that true Sith usually have (these can be disguised, but he seems not to have them even after being unmasked). He's sort of acting like a loner at the moment, and implies he was once a Jedi (it was very uncommon for former jedi to become true sith, especially in the millenia while the sith were still hidden where it presented much greater risk of discovery). That makes me wonder if he's more of a wannabe rather than the real deal. He also says he has no name, he doesn't even use a "Darth" title. So he may not have had a master that bestowed him such a title. He also says he was a jedi a "very long time ago", but still seems pretty young and a normal human, so i'm a bit iffy about that too. Is he much older than he appears? I guess it's plausible he could be, especially if they end up dabbling in Sith lords who can prevent people from dying.
I'm not sure if they'll even use Plagueis though. While Disney has used SOME Legends material (cortosis) and characters (like Darth Bane and Thrawn), they've also shifted around quite a bit of it and disregarded a lot more than they've used. In Legends, Plagueis was the same species as the leader of the Banking Clan seen in Ep 2 and 3 of the prequels. And was supposed to be Sidious' master. All of this was what Lucas intended. That said, the film dialog never explcitly states any of this, so there's wiggle room for Disney to just disregard everything other than his name. Plagueis in Disney's new canon might just be a Sith from ancient times, or even someone Sidious invented to tempt Anakin. Tenebrous is even more subject to being stricken from canon given that his backstory was Legends-only and wasn't even a Lucas character. His name was used in Episode 9, but it doesn't mean he's still Plagueis' master anymore.
Another thing i'm curious about is whether Disney will keep the idea of the Sith still existing in secret for that 1000 years they were thought extinct. Or if they'll change it to where they actually did go extinct, and Sidious and his alleged master only picked up the pieces that were left behind 1000 years ago.
BrianLo
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There was a musical cue, I know this is the spoiler thread but just in case...
Of Kylo Ren's theme with him in Episode 5. So the assumption is he may be part of, or the start of the Knights of Ren. Which are dark side users, but not actual Sith. Unfortunately, they were clearly improperly used in the sequel trilogy and quickly discarded.