Jedijax719
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I'm getting bored with this show actually. How does this all fit in with Darth Plaguis and how did Qimir actually become a Sith out of nowhere?
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SPOILER: The Acolyte -- Disney+ Star Wars -- begins June 5, 2024
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Phroobar
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A lot of streaming shows have this story structure. They introduce the good and bad guys. Good and bad guys sniff each other out and fight. Neither side wins but are pretty beat up. Lots of exposition as they regroup or train. The good and bad guys fight one more time and the good guy wins. Season 2 intros new bad guy and we repeat.
lazyboy97o
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networkpro
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Meh, I lost interest enough that I didnt even bother with this weeks stroll though sets and costumes. Didnt even think about it until last night and I picked up a book instead (well it was an ebook).
BrianLo
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It just aired last night.
BrianLo
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As we grow nearer to the conclusion I’m siding on a 7/10 personal rating, but that the show needs to be more binged to hit that marker. Either the episodes could have been a bit longer or maybe the show would have benefited from a four week release schedule made in that manner.
I incidentally consumed Andor in a four arc chunk. I kept forgetting about it then watched three episodes at a time. Which was honestly the perfect way to consume that show as well.
I don’t inherently like the dumping of shows as Netflix engages in constantly, as it eliminates all shared watching experience. But there is some benefit in flexibility depending on how they’ve mapped it out.
I incidentally consumed Andor in a four arc chunk. I kept forgetting about it then watched three episodes at a time. Which was honestly the perfect way to consume that show as well.
I don’t inherently like the dumping of shows as Netflix engages in constantly, as it eliminates all shared watching experience. But there is some benefit in flexibility depending on how they’ve mapped it out.
erasure fan1
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Agreed. But I wouldn't give a number until it ends. The satisfaction of the ending could have a big sway on my final thought. It very much feels like this show was made with less episodes in mind, than chopped up to pad the number of weeks.
Because that's how it was shot according to Gilroy. And you can really tell. Watching it again in blocks like that made it much better in my opinion. The weekly episodes worked great for mando season 1 & 2 because each week had it's own little story with an overarching storyline behind it. So each episode was fulfilling on its own. Acolyte has 3 episodes that aren't.
networkpro
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My point was that the book held a greater attraction with The Acolyte not even top of mind for immediate consumption. Zero anticipation
MerlinTheGoat
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I want to like Sol, but the writing for him has been very frustrating. Far too much of him saying he'll finally explain everything, only for yet another distraction to crop up to kick the can down the road. Mae's flip flopping is stupid and nonsensical. The show drags and often goes nowhere with a bunch of pointless bits that could and should have been cut. Thus far, this entire first season feels like it could have been easily and massively trimmed down and been far better paced as a result.
Qimir is carrying this show (not surprised given his biceps). I genuinely enjoy his character and the actor's performance. He (along with several of the jedi who fought him) also gave us the best lightsaber fight since the prequels.
I'm still iffy whether Qimir is a real Sith, despite what he claims. He also lacks yellow eyes, pale skin and other traits that true Sith usually have (these can be disguised, but he seems not to have them even after being unmasked). He's sort of acting like a loner at the moment, and implies he was once a Jedi (it was very uncommon for former jedi to become true sith, especially in the millenia while the sith were still hidden where it presented much greater risk of discovery). That makes me wonder if he's more of a wannabe rather than the real deal. He also says he has no name, he doesn't even use a "Darth" title. So he may not have had a master that bestowed him such a title. He also says he was a jedi a "very long time ago", but still seems pretty young and a normal human, so i'm a bit iffy about that too. Is he much older than he appears? I guess it's plausible he could be, especially if they end up dabbling in Sith lords who can prevent people from dying.
I'm not sure if they'll even use Plagueis though. While Disney has used SOME Legends material (cortosis) and characters (like Darth Bane and Thrawn), they've also shifted around quite a bit of it and disregarded a lot more than they've used. In Legends, Plagueis was the same species as the leader of the Banking Clan seen in Ep 2 and 3 of the prequels. And was supposed to be Sidious' master. All of this was what Lucas intended. That said, the film dialog never explcitly states any of this, so there's wiggle room for Disney to just disregard everything other than his name. Plagueis in Disney's new canon might just be a Sith from ancient times, or even someone Sidious invented to tempt Anakin. Tenebrous is even more subject to being stricken from canon given that his backstory was Legends-only and wasn't even a Lucas character. His name was used in Episode 9, but it doesn't mean he's still Plagueis' master anymore.
Another thing i'm curious about is whether Disney will keep the idea of the Sith still existing in secret for that 1000 years they were thought extinct. Or if they'll change it to where they actually did go extinct, and Sidious and his alleged master only picked up the pieces that were left behind 1000 years ago.
Qimir is carrying this show (not surprised given his biceps). I genuinely enjoy his character and the actor's performance. He (along with several of the jedi who fought him) also gave us the best lightsaber fight since the prequels.
I'm still iffy whether Qimir is a real Sith, despite what he claims. He also lacks yellow eyes, pale skin and other traits that true Sith usually have (these can be disguised, but he seems not to have them even after being unmasked). He's sort of acting like a loner at the moment, and implies he was once a Jedi (it was very uncommon for former jedi to become true sith, especially in the millenia while the sith were still hidden where it presented much greater risk of discovery). That makes me wonder if he's more of a wannabe rather than the real deal. He also says he has no name, he doesn't even use a "Darth" title. So he may not have had a master that bestowed him such a title. He also says he was a jedi a "very long time ago", but still seems pretty young and a normal human, so i'm a bit iffy about that too. Is he much older than he appears? I guess it's plausible he could be, especially if they end up dabbling in Sith lords who can prevent people from dying.
I'm not sure if they'll even use Plagueis though. While Disney has used SOME Legends material (cortosis) and characters (like Darth Bane and Thrawn), they've also shifted around quite a bit of it and disregarded a lot more than they've used. In Legends, Plagueis was the same species as the leader of the Banking Clan seen in Ep 2 and 3 of the prequels. And was supposed to be Sidious' master. All of this was what Lucas intended. That said, the film dialog never explcitly states any of this, so there's wiggle room for Disney to just disregard everything other than his name. Plagueis in Disney's new canon might just be a Sith from ancient times, or even someone Sidious invented to tempt Anakin. Tenebrous is even more subject to being stricken from canon given that his backstory was Legends-only and wasn't even a Lucas character. His name was used in Episode 9, but it doesn't mean he's still Plagueis' master anymore.
Another thing i'm curious about is whether Disney will keep the idea of the Sith still existing in secret for that 1000 years they were thought extinct. Or if they'll change it to where they actually did go extinct, and Sidious and his alleged master only picked up the pieces that were left behind 1000 years ago.
BrianLo
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There was a musical cue, I know this is the spoiler thread but just in case...
Of Kylo Ren's theme with him in Episode 5. So the assumption is he may be part of, or the start of the Knights of Ren. Which are dark side users, but not actual Sith. Unfortunately, they were clearly improperly used in the sequel trilogy and quickly discarded.
lazyboy97o
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You just said you thought of it as it was being released. That’s pretty top of mind even if you decided to do something else. Then you thought about it more and felt the need to share about how you thought of it as it was being released. If it really fell out of your mind you wouldn’t be telling us right now less than 24 hours after the episode was released.
MerlinTheGoat
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I know about that, but i'm not sure it will connect specifically to the Knights of Ren. The theme is used more as Kylo Ren's theme specifically. They also use a light-side variant for Ben Solo when he turns good again.
The Knights of Ren in other bits of canon were said to be marginally force sensitive, but not remotely on the same level as real jedi or sith (probably not even as powerful as inquisitors, all of whom were former jedi).
Qimir slaughtered 7 jedi with ease. And as Yord mentions, it wasn't just a matter of skill and raw power, Qimir also invaded and messed with their minds while he was fighting them. Qimir also had the clear upper hand against Master Sol until Sol becomes angry and channels the dark side himself. The series imples that Sol is very powerful. So whether he's a genuine Sith or not, I get the sense that Qimir probably has the necessary power to qualify as one.
MerlinTheGoat
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Only their original human leader (who refers to himself as just "Ren") used a lightsaber. A saber that was taken from his predecessor in the Knights. And was in all liklihood stolen or scavenged, not won in a fair fight. He was the most powerful of the group, but that isn't saying anything because he was still relatively weak. I suspect not even be force sensitive enough to bring a lightsaber crystal to life on his own (or bleed one). He attempted to duel Darth Vader in a comic book and was immediately made a fool of. Vader considered him so weak that he was unworthy of holding a lightsaber. A comment that Vader never said to any of the other countless jedi and inquisitors he's fought and killed. "Ren" was only able to kill a single weak padawan.Well the Knights of Ren did have red lightsabers and do have names. Could this guy be one of them?
The other Knights of Ren are even weaker than he is and don't wield lightsabers. They're basically just marginally force sensitive pirates who have over-inflated egos. Their original leader also intentionally burns himself with his own saber as a lightsaber-worshipping ritual.
Qimir on the other hand is exceptionally powerful. If he isn't actually a legitimate Sith, by all appearances he looks fully qualified to be one. He force pushed eight jedi at once, including Sol. And he decimated all of them quite easily except for a dark side channeling Sol.
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Disney Irish
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Personally I don't need action in every episode, I like a good exposition episode, provides lots of character development.
Clearly Vernestra was Qimir's former Jedi master, or at least was one of the Jedi that had him removed.
The real question I have is who is Qimir's Sith master, if he has one. And since we're right in the timeline (he's about 15ish supposedly during this period) where does Plagueis fall into this situation? Headland is already talking a season 2, so maybe we'll get an answer to that.
Clearly Vernestra was Qimir's former Jedi master, or at least was one of the Jedi that had him removed.
The real question I have is who is Qimir's Sith master, if he has one. And since we're right in the timeline (he's about 15ish supposedly during this period) where does Plagueis fall into this situation? Headland is already talking a season 2, so maybe we'll get an answer to that.
Disney Irish
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Btw, did anyone else notice how the island that Osha and Qimir were on looked fairly similar to Jedi island on Ahch-To.
erasure fan1
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That's fair, I don't mind one either. The issue I have with series so far, is the majority of the show has been exposition. There was a nice action scene to start the series and most of episode 5. After that it's been pretty sparse. Andor suffered from the same issue. I know there are people who really like that side of star wars. But there's a reason it was basically ignored by the general audience.
When you spend nearly 200mil on a show, you should really be aiming for as big of an audience as possible. I'll say it again, it's not over until it's over. We have 2 more episodes to give us that duel of the fates or I am your father endings. Something that makes us say, holy poop! I'm just a bit worried they've past the point of not having to rush the end. We'll find out soon enough.
erasure fan1
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Yes, it's honestly the first thing I thought. But as they panned out, you could see right away it wasn't. But I'm guessing it has significance like it though. A place that channels the force in some way. It seemed to me that there has to be a reason Qimir stripped down buck naked and went into the water. Is it a tangled magic flower type thing? He seems pretty young to have been a Jedi a long time ago. Maybe he's older than we think and the force powers in the water somehow help him stay young?
Sirwalterraleigh
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