SPOILER Agatha All Along, D+, premier 9/18/24

MisterPenguin

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Stupido

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Wow wow wow wow! What an episode! The shortest runtime, but I felt like so much happened!

Superb acting all around. You can pinpoint the exact moment Agatha realizes it, and Teen fully drops his charade. Such nuanced performances from Hahn and Locke. I can't wait for next week's episode when we get Billy's pov of the first episode, and some motivation for what he's doing.

This show really feels like an elevated WandaVision and Jac Schaeffer really learnt a lot from her first go.
 
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MisterPenguin

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That's definitely not where I was expecting us to go! I know why reviewers only got the first four episodes.
So cool. Was Teen just pretending? Are they all dead? (Of course not, this is comic book story telling.) Is this a vision/dream? Where's Rio/Death?

Or was it Wiccan all along?

I'd die if the next episode started with them singing "Wiccan All Along."
 

MarvelCharacterNerd

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Guess I'm watching a different show than those here. lol That wasn't an episode; it was a jumble of scenes to hurry up and get the quest done so we can get to the big reveal. It's like all the people making these Disney+ shows - and not just Marvel - have no idea of longform story structure and just start and stop and don't balance or pace anything. It was just brooms, ouija, death, mud, Wiccan reveal, GO! That's an outline, not an episode. I honestly think it's a combination of the shrinking of writers rooms and pandemic "zoom rooms" and the limited series format with the nebulous however-many-episodes-it-takes non-mandates by producers without longform storytelling experience. It's not surprising old shows like Suits or Grey's Anatomy or Prison Break or whatever are suddenly topping the charts. It's because those showrunners knew how to run shows!

And again, I feel like either it's a deliberate actor/director/writer choice or Hahn has forgotten how to inhabit the over the top qualities of the role that made her such a standout in WandaVision, but for me, Agatha is not nearly as fun in this show as she was in WandaVision. She's just desperate and sad.

She already knew it was Wiccan - maybe from the M sigil - or at least suspected for a while, given her reaction to Rio's revelation that Teen wasn't her son the previous episode. She was playing all seductive with Rio to get the info she wanted, then as soon as she got it, smirked, went dead eyes, and turned away. Pure sociopathy in that move, which was one of the more interesting moments in the show even if it was the same moment I stopped rooting for Agatha.

Now I'm left waiting to see what Wiccan's true motivations are and if there's anyone left for me to care about at this point besides Lady Death, who I am curious if she knows Agatha was playing her or is really too in love to care. Personally, at this point, I'm hoping Death takes Agatha and returns everyone else at the end of the Road.
 

BrianLo

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If I have to actually lodge my guess, he’s rehabilitating her. She failed and they’ll all reset again until she eventually learns to find her own power and not others.

Whether he is a manifestation of the road or not is TBD.
 

DKampy

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I am loving the series so far…. However it sort of doesn’t make sense to me… how does Wanda’s son exist….didn’t wanda create him with her mind….the only thing I can come up with as others have alluded to…. Perhaps Agatha never woke up and we are still in her head… granted I am not familiar with the character as I have only watched marvel content in movies/ series… and I also understand that in comics they can say anything to establish whatever they want… so I guess in the end it won’t matter as long as the show continues to be as entertaining as it has thus far
 

Disney Irish

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I am loving the series so far…. However it sort of doesn’t make sense to me… how does Wanda’s son exist….didn’t wanda create him with her mind….the only thing I can come up with as others have alluded to…. Perhaps Agatha never woke up and we are still in her head… granted I am not familiar with the character as I have only watched marvel content in movies/ series… and I also understand that in comics they can say anything to establish whatever they want… so I guess in the end it won’t matter as long as the show continues to be as entertaining as it has thus far
In WandaVision Billy and Tommy were created by her Hex magic. And when the vale lifted they disappeared. Its possible that as his consciousness was starting to fade away it gets transferred to another body. that of Billy Kaplan, ie reincarnated. This is basically how it happened in the comics, except in the comics Mephisto was involved which is why everyone was convinced he was involved in WandaVision, so he maybe is this time around since his name was actually said in show.

Hopefully the show will explain how he came to be after the events of WandaVision in the next episode.
 

MisterPenguin

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In WandaVision Billy and Tommy were created by her Hex magic. And when the vale lifted they disappeared. Its possible that as his consciousness was starting to fade away it gets transferred to another body. that of Billy Kaplan, ie reincarnated. This is basically how it happened in the comics, except in the comics Mephisto was involved which is why everyone was convinced he was involved in WandaVision, so he maybe is this time around since his name was actually said in show.

Hopefully the show will explain how he came to be after the events of WandaVision in the next episode.
Indeed, the essence of who Vision is got transferred to White Vision.

Souls and bodies in comics are mix-and-match.
 

Disney Irish

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With gay characters also… seems the “misogynistic, homophobic, hate mongers” actually were just normal people that really did just want a good story.
Or maybe that do exist, as they were preemptively attacking the show ahead of launch, but got quieted down after the premiere and it started getting positive reviews.
 

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