News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

[Disstevefan1]

Is the Land specifically about sharecroppers in the 1920s south? If not, it’s utterly irrelevant.

What a relief. I was just joking but thanks for setting me straight

 

[disneyfireman]

If Disney closes the Land ride..which obviously the wont....its literally THEE most underrated attraction...but if they did..for any woke reason...and I couldn't think of one...then we are all doomed. I cant imagine any human being being that dumb.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Penguin, you are a smart poster and I'm going to chalk this up to your need to defend Disney at any cost. That said, I truly hope you know about what happened in this country after the failure of Reconstruction and what conditions were like in the south throughout the first half of the 20th century.

PS: Additionally, a few minutes googling provides evidence for what was already obvious - the specific mine the Imagineers visit in that video was worked by slaves to supply the confederacy. It also seems to have been discovered by an enslaved man.

Gutman, you are a smart poster and I'm going to chalk this up to your need to tear down Disney at any cost. That said I truly hope you know that the original charge of the salt mines being slavery-related to Tiana in the 1920s is ridiculous nonsense since the story takes place 60 years after the Civil War. After that, the failures of Reconstruction, the rise of disenfranchisement, apartheid, and racial terrorism permeated much of the South (and too many bits in the North) to such a degree that there is nothing that can be said about Louisiana in the 1920's that isn't tainted by the problem of racism. Tiana can't have tea without finding a connection to slavery in the way you just connected the dots.

Just a few minutes of Googling would have shown you that.

 

[Midwest Elitist]

Alright, so let's say a song from PatF replaces all SotS songs in Splash.

How Do You Do -> ???
Laughin Place -> ???
Zipadeedoodah -> ???

Which songs do you think will fit each?

I personally can't get Dig a Little Deeper outside of my head, replacing Zipadeedoodah. It's in C Major as well. Ugh... I just want them to keep the bluegrass theme somehow

 

[Kirby86]

I think Gonna Take You There will probably replace How Do You Do? This is assuming when they say songs inspired by the movie they mean we changed the lyrics.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I want to get this straight -
Song of the south - represented a time of slavery.
1920 salt mines - there was still slavery.
Slavery still existed in the south in the 1960s
But the time Princess and the Frog takes place - No slavery?

Can we change Splash Mountain into a mid 70s Disco themed attraction?

Oh wait - They did that already did that with the Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind

 

[Prince-1]

Am I alone in knowing nothing about salt mines/domes (including the difference between them)? The idea that this conceit would translate into something that guests could make sense of seems pretty farfetched to me.

People are making up their own scenarios and then believing them. Unless I missed something the only mention of salt mines has been on this Disney website and nowhere else.

 

[Kirby86]

People are making up their own scenarios and then believing them. Unless I missed something the only mention of salt mines has been Disney websites and nowhere else.

The reason Salt Mines are mentioned on Disney Websites is because Disney themselves brought it up during the field trip video they showed at Essance Festival. Of course we don't know what the new scenario is going to be. Everyone at this point is just using educated guesses with what little information they gave us and how the current ride is structured.
Could Salt Mines have nothing to do with what they are thinking about doing? Absolutely, however my response to that would be why would they mention going to one during the research trip if at the very least they weren't considering using that as part as the attractions story?
As for working in mines during the 1920s sure the workers weren't working in the best conditions but it's not slavery. I'm not sure why that is being brought up in a discussion about a log flume changing.

 

[celluloid]

Imagine a Disney attraction replacing a kind of controversial one for some getting replaced by a kind of controversial film basis, that takes it further by including the Avery mines and featuring a soundtrack by a white man who has written and performed songs with The N Word in his work.

Wild times.

It is about the merch push and the new series synergy. That is what got the higher exec level to approve this. Bob Chapek probably does not even know what Louisiana is, other than it as a word has been associated with the word purchase.

 

[Prince-1]

The reason Salt Mines are mentioned on Disney Websites is because Disney themselves brought it up during the field trip video they showed at Essance Festival. Of course we don't know what the new scenario is going to be. Everyone at this point is just using educated guesses with what little information they gave us and how the current ride is structured.
Could Salt Mines have nothing to do with what they are thinking about doing? Absolutely, however my response to that would be why would they mention going to one during the research trip if at the very least they weren't considering using that as part as the attractions story?
As for working in mines during the 1920s sure the workers weren't working in the best conditions but it's not slavery. I'm not sure why that is being brought up in a discussion about a log flume changing.

I have a strong feeling that Disney is going to try to stay away from any and all controversy with the new ride. And methinks that the people bringing it up are just all sad that Splash Mountain is going bye-bye.

 

[Casper Gutman]

The reason Salt Mines are mentioned on Disney Websites is because Disney themselves brought it up during the field trip video they showed at Essance Festival. Of course we don't know what the new scenario is going to be. Everyone at this point is just using educated guesses with what little information they gave us and how the current ride is structured.
Could Salt Mines have nothing to do with what they are thinking about doing? Absolutely, however my response to that would be why would they mention going to one during the research trip if at the very least they weren't considering using that as part as the attractions story?
As for working in mines during the 1920s sure the workers weren't working in the best conditions but it's not slavery. I'm not sure why that is being brought up in a discussion about a log flume changing.

It was, for all intents and purposes, very close to slavery. Economic exploitation, omnipresent and overwhelming institutional and individual racism, and the constant threat of lynching essentially reproduced the slave system. The fact that more Americans don’t grasp this, don’t understand clearly how horrific the century after the Civil War really was, is a major failing of our educational system.

Pointing out that 1920s Louisiana salt mines technically didn’t employ slaves is as relevant as saying the Song of the South film technically doesn’t depict slaves.

 

[LittleBuford]

People are making up their own scenarios and then believing them. Unless I missed something the only mention of salt mines has been on this Disney website and nowhere else.

Alas, they are mentioned by one of the Imagineers in that video Disney released recently. I wish they hadn’t been, because now we can add “Disney is hypocritical for retheming the ride to slavery-related salt mines” to the list of strange talking points that people have come up with.

My guess is that Disney was trying to convince us of how much research was going into the retheme and that the finished product won’t have anything to do with salt mines. That’s my hope, at any rate.

 

[celluloid]

I have a strong feeling that Disney is going to try to stay away from any and all controversy with the new ride. And methinks that the people bringing it up are just all sad that Splash Mountain is going bye-bye.

People find controversy in everything, give it time. It has already started.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Alas, they are mentioned by one of the Imagineers in that video Disney released recently. I wish they hadn’t been, because now we can add “Disney is hypocritical for retheming the ride to slavery-related salt mines” to the list of strange talking points that people have come up with.

My guess is that Disney was trying to convince us of how much research was going into the retheme and that the finished product won’t have anything to do with salt mines. That’s my hope, at any rate.

It’s not a strange talking point at all, it’s absolutely relevant. I think changing the theme of Splash is justified (I think the whole thing should be torn down and a new ride built from the foundations up) and I don’t think salt mines will be involved at all. I do think what is being revealed is that certain posters care much more about supporting anything WDW does then they do about the actual historical issues involved in Splash and it’s retheme.

 

[Prince-1]

People find controversy in everything, give it time. It has already started.

Well I am sure all these people who are complaining non-stop most will most definitely stick to their guns and boycott the ride but we all know that they will be lining up on day one like everyone else.

 

[celluloid]

Well I am sure these people will stick to their guns and boycott the ride but we all know that they will be lining up on day one like everyone else.

The same can be said now for people who think its past is bad are lining up in the two hour waits. So bad that it has been one of the most popular theme park attractions and well known names of synonmous with Disney vacations since the day it opened until and beyond now.

People like success and trainwrecks, I will be in Japan with the lower height requirement for my daughter, riding Splash Mountain. Probably singing along to a Country Bear seasonal show or not safety concern sinking in a log.

 

[LittleBuford]

It’s not a strange talking point at all, it’s absolutely relevant. I think changing the theme of Splash is justified (I think the whole thing should be torn down and a new ride built from the foundations up) and I don’t think salt mines will be involved at all. I do think what is being revealed is that certain posters care much more about supporting anything WDW does then they do about the actual historical issues involved in Splash and it’s retheme.

I wasn’t referring to you and almost added something to my post to that effect. Your intentions are good and sincere, and you’re making valid points. Certain other posters, however, aren’t being so genuine: for them, the salt-mine talking point is just another opportunity to disparage the retheme.

 

[Kirby86]

Alas, they are mentioned by one of the Imagineers in that video Disney released recently. I wish they hadn’t been, because now we can add “Disney is hypocritical for retheming the ride to slavery-related salt mines” to the list of strange talking points that people have come up with.

My guess is that Disney was trying to convince us of how much research was going into the retheme and that the finished product won’t have anything to do with salt mines. That’s my hope, at any rate.

That one Imagineer is the lead on this project though so her words have some weight to them. Again I have to ask though if the ride won't have Salt Mines (which it may not) why bother researching them? It's a waste of money to fly out your team there.

 

[celluloid]

I wasn’t referring to you and almost added something to my post to that effect. Your intentions are good and sincere, and you’re making valid points. Certain other posters, however, aren’t being so genuine: for them, the salt-mine talking points is just another opportunity to disparage the retheme.

I don't think it is to disparage the retheme, I think that is a problem of mistrusting the company to do a quality job within its own argument.

What I think the Salt Mine research shows is that Disney on a high level of operation is not doing this out of controversy, it is a byproduct they can live with to make more money as the Tiana push machine is in full effect next year with its shows being produced.

 

[LittleBuford]

Again I have to ask though if the ride won't have Salt Mines (which it may not) why bother researching them? It's a waste of money to fly out your team there. Also as someone who doesn't want the retheme even I think trying to tie the 1920s to slavery is grasping at straws.

I honestly don’t know. Perhaps because they wanted to address the concern (repeatedly expressed here in this thread and I’m sure elsewhere) about Louisiana’s flatness? I found the whole thing really strange and hope it doesn’t end up having any influence on the final product.