News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

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Tha Realest

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But how rational is the current set-up? Not very, and no-one cares.

I suspect (hope?) that the salt-mine/dome reference in the video proves to be a red herring.
There's always going to be an incongruity. I just hope in their effort to find something - anything - topographically accurate, they don't end up with a solution that has similar associations with Jim Crow / Reconstruction as the SOTS.
 

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LittleBuford

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Just posted this in another thread and thought I'd share here too:


Two things I find notable:

1. How far back this idea goes. For those claiming it can only have originated with the 2020 petition, well, clearly that's not the case.
2. How relatively uncontroversial the idea was back in 2009. Almost none of the "You want to destroy history"/"Where will this end?" rhetoric that characterises this thread.

ETA: And a third thing: None of this needless handwringing about Louisiana's flatness!

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UPDATE (8 August): It seems the moderators deleted the thread, which is a shame. A cached version is accessible for now, but I doubt it'll last long, so I'm quoting the opening post (written by @isuanastasia on 18 December 2009) before it disappears altogether:

I just got home from watching the Princess and the Frog and I was wondering if anyone else had this strange connection. As I watched the movie, I could see disney turning Splash Mountain into a P&TF movie tie in. Not that this is something that I would want, but all during the Bayou scenes, all I could think of was Splash. Did anyone else see this as well haha?!

The thread itself was in the WDW Parks General Discussion forum and entitled "Princess and the Frog & Splash Mountain".
 
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Midwest Elitist

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Just posted this in another thread and thought I'd share here too:


Two things I find notable:

1. How far back this idea goes. For those claiming it can only have originated with the 2020 petition, well, clearly that's not the case.
2. How relatively uncontroversial the idea was back in 2009. Almost none of the "You want to destroy history"/"Where will this end?" rhetoric that characterises this thread.

ETA: And a third thing: None of this needless handwringing about Louisiana's flatness!
There was no actual "threat" to the ride theme then, but the "I hope they don't change it" rhetoric is clearly present.

Anyone with a brain knows that the idea within TWDC did not spring up in 2020.

At this point though, I'm over it. I hate Disney for cringily burying anything related to the original ride, but I also despise some of the rhetoric coming from the anti-rethemers.

Who knows, maybe we will get a little "how do you do" motif at the beginning with Br'er rabbit hidden somewhere as a homage.
 
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LittleBuford

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There was no actual "threat" to the ride theme then, but the "I hope they don't change it" rhetoric is clearly present.
I didn’t say it wasn’t. But expressing a preference/hope about the ride’s future is very different from the ideologically charged griping and alarmism that runs throughout this thread.

Anyone with a brain knows that the idea within TWDC did not spring up in 2020.
Apparently not, since multiple posters in this thread have repeatedly claimed that the idea was forced on Disney by a 2020 petition.
 

Bocabear

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Since this ride is being shoehorned into an existing attraction with a 50+ foot plunge, I think the Imagineers were scrambling to come up with a geographic rationalization for how, and why, the ride would go up and then down suddenly (in a region with very little elevation changes). This video hints at what they possibly decided upon. I do not believe they've thought through the implications of this decision.
I don't think that would even be an issue... pirates has waterfalls and caverns... The Original Pirates set in New Orleans has a series of caves and waterfall drops in a region not known for it's caves... I never heard them mention a salt mine in the original movie... If they add cypress trees and Spanish moss, Swamp plantings, Mama Odies in the shipwreck on top, it will read...no need for them to create a whole new backstory about my there are changes in altitude...
 

TalkingHead

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At about the 1:30 mark the video narrator (Carter?) mentions they toured Avery Island "to take a look at a salt dome, which is one of the only areas in Louisiana that has any elevation." Again, conjecture, but if they had to come up with a conceit for what brings you up - then down - this might seem to be it?


Anybody try calling the very visible phone number on the white board in the meeting room? Professional video production from the social media team as always.

Realize that the online fans eat this stuff up, but somebody should have the heart to tell WDI that riding on airboats and traipsing around New Orleans galleries in the name of cultural authenticity for their fun park log ride makes them look more ridiculous than normal.
 

Tha Realest

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I don't think that would even be an issue... pirates has waterfalls and caverns... The Original Pirates set in New Orleans has a series of caves and waterfall drops in a region not known for it's caves... I never heard them mention a salt mine in the original movie... If they add cypress trees and Spanish moss, Swamp plantings, Mama Odies in the shipwreck on top, it will read...no need for them to create a whole new backstory about my there are changes in altitude...
I agree it's all silly. Then again, I'm not the one producing videos showing how hard I'm working to make this authentic to the region.
 

Basil of Baker Street

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I mean the reason people on this form are mentioning salt mines are because Disney themselves did. Maybe Tiana and Navine own it? Honestly it just seems like they needed somthing to replace the Laughing Place with.
Maybe Big Daddy owns the mines and that's where he employees all of his fair wage laborers.
 

Casper Gutman

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I didn't know Louisiana still had slaves in the 1920's. Wonder how this will affect Juneteenth?
Penguin, you are a smart poster and I'm going to chalk this up to your need to defend Disney at any cost. That said, I truly hope you know about what happened in this country after the failure of Reconstruction and what conditions were like in the south throughout the first half of the 20th century.

PS: Additionally, a few minutes googling provides evidence for what was already obvious - the specific mine the Imagineers visit in that video was worked by slaves to supply the confederacy. It also seems to have been discovered by an enslaved man.
 
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UNCgolf

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This wasn't even limited to black people or to farming. Sharecroppers, company towns with company scrip, etc.

With that said, it generally didn't go so far as to torture and rape for most of those people, so it's still not quite the same thing.
 
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Tha Realest

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Penguin, you are a smart poster and I'm going to chalk this up to your need to defend Disney at any cost. That said, I truly hope you know about what happened in this country after the failure of Reconstruction and what conditions were like in the south throughout the first half of the 20th century.

PS: Additionally, a few minutes googling provides evidence for what was already obvious - the specific mine the Imagineers visit in that video was worked by slaves to supply the confederacy. It also seems to have been discovered by an enslaved man.
If you accept the premise of the need for the remake of the ride - that the source material presents an idyllic, glorified, and romanticized view of Reconstruction - and, as a corrective, draw inspiration from a real life setting where actual slaves and sharecroppers were forced to work, I think that really undercuts this whole thing.
 
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