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OR... hear me out... move Star Tours to replace Splash Mountain and simulate a bayou ride and drop!!
That's the ticket!
OR... hear me out... move Star Tours to replace Splash Mountain and simulate a bayou ride and drop!!
Hurry baaaaack… lolI like the projected faces in several AA's I've seen. Buzz is good. So are the dwarfs. The only downside is when they're not working, it produces some scary stuff!
Well, we've got the lame GoTG screens on the launch. So, it's not unprecedented...I think when people say 'Screens' they must think about rides that do indeed park you in front of a screen for a portion or all the ride.
But we already know that won't happen, as we already know the ride layout/movement. We will be sailing past fully realized scenes, with projection mapping at most utilized.
Perhaps they'll throw in some projection moments live in Navi River Journey.
New Orleans has a Meyn Street, and a Liberty Terrace as well.How would a ride with a story that takes place in 1920s New Orleans fit on Main Street or in Liberty Square?
Just think of the mountain as a very tall levee.I'm more concerned about the fact that there aren't mountains in the bayou than how the ride fits into Frontierland or Critter Country.
but $150 mil is still an encouraging number.
This is what it boils down too, Jungle Cruise, Pirates… now it’s Splashes turn, Disney made a decision to get ahead of potential issus before they became actual issues, no conspiracy theory needed.
I love Splash but as long as they do the retheme well I get it and won’t care, I’m just worried they won’t do it well.
I’m hoping Splash is where they draw the line though, a lot of the older Disney movies have racially insensitive scenes, if guilty by association is cause for removal Dumbo, Fantasia, and some other classics might need to watch their back.
Since you've just come back from the future with a report on how the retheme went, can you tell me tomorrow's Lotto numbers?The problem is that it won't be better than Splash. So we are losing on quality all for the almighty dollar. Screens will be cheaper to operate than animatronics.
Since you've just come back from the future with a report on how the retheme went, can you tell me tomorrow's Lotto numbers?
I think it maybe that quality can be subjective. I hated the great movie ride, I thought it was dull, boring and loathed the cheesy cm interactive thing. So I was beyond happy when they got rid of it (JUST my opinion) so the animatronics imo have not much to do with it. I love pirates. Screens don't bother me and are not inherently bad, neither do animatronics ,which are not imo inherently good. I will say I'm not a fan of old fashioned.
now the last statement can definitely go both ways. there are some old guard here that no matter how good the ride is they will never ever like it because it's not from the golden age of Disney. no matter what the world does the old guard are not going to be happy, the complaints will always range from "it doesn't fit into the theme of XYS, it has screens or we need more rides not renovations".
I don't consider myself right or left, only forward. While I definitely do not in any way engage in the Oppression Olympics, I would just like to see a degree of consistency on Disney's part, if you know what I mean. I am glad the ish from The Jungle Cruise went before anything else.I'm probably to the "right" of you on this but it is funny that they are redoing Splash, which shows only animals and which has racial stereotypes so old that kids today probably can't even recognize what race they're supposed to belong to, but kept those "Red Man" animatronics in. Those things are the equivalent of lawn jockeys.
I think when people say 'Screens' they must think about rides that do indeed park you in front of a screen for a portion or all the ride.
But we already know that won't happen, as we already know the ride layout/movement. We will be sailing past fully realized scenes, with projection mapping at most utilized.
Perhaps they'll throw in some projection moments live in Navi River Journey.
Navi is the example I always use for good use of screens also, when they are used to expand the background or add dimension screens are an amazing tool.
Rat is the example I always use for bad screens, the difference from travelling through amazing physical sets and then getting parked in front of a screen is jarring. If the cars mirrored the movement and/or they tried to conceal the screen edges I think it would help but they did neither, they park you in a big empty room in front of a big screen and you just sit there watching a movie, and then they back you out into amazing physical sets again. Jarring.
And the way they're used in modern attractions is worse than those 30 year old attractions. There's a reason people complain about screens, they're used without any thought or restraint. I've grown to hate screens due to the way they've effectively replaced everything I value most in theme park attractions. They were fine in a supplementary role in things like Horizons and World of Motion. Add a bit of motion to distant flat painted backgrounds, or serve as transitions in narrow corridors between the main scenes. Some of the screen effects added to classic Fantasyland dark rides were also tastefully done (though there have been missteps recently like Enchanted Wish). They became a blight when they began to replace animatronic elements and practical scenery.Screens and projections when used properly can achieve effects that would be impossible 30 years ago.
I mean, that's valid - I've been an outspoken critic of Cosmic Rewind and the amount of money that was spent on it (and how that money was used). That ride cost 3 times what's apparently budgeted for Tiana's, and Cosmic Rewind didn't even use any of it to conjure up a single Animatronic. There's some hideous misuse of funds at play on that ride.Now that we know what their most expensive ride ever looks like, I'm no longer swayed one way or the other on how I feel about projects when budget estimates get speculated about. Just throwing money at a project doesn't guarantee its success anymore, unfortunately.
It wouldn't surprise me if a not insignificant amount of that money went to recording all new music and dialog for everything inside and out. It's one of the reasons why Disney likes to recycle music across fireworks and stage shows.
I mean, that's valid - I've been an outspoken critic of Cosmic Rewind and the amount of money that was spent on it (and how that money was used). That ride cost 3 times what's apparently budgeted for Tiana's, and Cosmic Rewind didn't even use any of it to conjure up a single Animatronic. There's some hideous misuse of funds at play on that ride.
The difference here, as we know, is that the Splash Mountain building, ride system, and show set spaces already exist and do not need to be created anew out of this budget. Since essentially the job of this transformation is to completely reinvent the theming, scenery, animatronics, and soundtrack of the ride, you would think that the brunt of the $150 Million budget would go to those. Unlike Cosmic Rewind, which is very mysteriously unambitious when it comes to theming, scenery, and even the soundscape (plugging in a ready-made Blondie song doesn't take that much work).
Wow, you have a pretty positive outlook on this project. There isn't one part of this that I can point to and say, with any sort of confidence, that this won't be done on the cheap. I'll flabbergasted if we get half of the physical AAs that splash has. My money is on a majority of screen effects with a few mid level AAs and one show stopper AA. I do hope I'm wrong though.I think when people say 'Screens' they must think about rides that do indeed park you in front of a screen for a portion or all the ride.
But we already know that won't happen, as we already know the ride layout/movement. We will be sailing past fully realized scenes, with projection mapping at most utilized.
Perhaps they'll throw in some projection moments live in Navi River Journey.
Wow, you have a pretty positive outlook on this project. There isn't one part of this that I can point to and say, with any sort of confidence, that this won't be done on the cheap. I'll flabbergasted if we get half of the physical AAs that splash has. My money is on a majority of screen effects with a few mid level AAs and one show stopper AA. I do hope I'm wrong though.
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