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News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

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Smiley/OCD

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Navi is the example I always use for good use of screens also, when they are used to expand the background or add dimension screens are an amazing tool.

Rat is the example I always use for bad screens, the difference from travelling through amazing physical sets and then getting parked in front of a screen is jarring. If the cars mirrored the movement and/or they tried to conceal the screen edges I think it would help but they did neither, they park you in a big empty room in front of a big screen and you just sit there watching a movie, and then they back you out into amazing physical sets again. Jarring.
I will agree that Na’vi is the best example of how screens, projections, set design and animatronics can work so well together…I like and enjoy Ratatouille, I like the mixture of the set design and screens. To me, MMRR is like going to a drive in movie and leaving your car in drive…it just doesn’t work for me, but that’s ok, I realize there’s something for everyone. At least we both agree Na’vi was done well, it just needs a few more less elaborate AAs.
 

Animaniac93-98

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I'm certainly very open to that being true, I'll just be honest and say that I've never seen any reports of it being a film that's popularity has grown over time and that has hung around on DVD/Blu-ray charts and then streaming. I will say the recent SNL sketch that portrayed it as being on Disney- and in which they kept specifying things like "I am the villain from this movie" suggests I'm not the only one who has the impression this hasn't become a beloved classic over time relative to the amount Disney pushes it.

It is, though, part of the Princess franchise which does generate a lot of money in its own right, so it has that.

I should add that I'm not annoyed at the amount they push it, just that it has seemed the case to me that this is a film Disney actively wants to keep alive. By way of comparison, Zootopia was a more recent massive hit and Disney has already virtually forgotten it.

It also has a lot to do with the franchise focus of Disney's marketing. Anything that doesn't fit into the specific boxes of Princess, Star Wars, Marvel, Toy Story, Frozen etc is at risk of being ignored, regardless of how actually popular it is/was.

It's why a movie like Brave, probably among the least popular of these Princess movies, is still a thing that gets attention.
 

Sir_Cliff

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It's why a movie like Brave, probably among the least popular of these Princess movies, is still a thing that gets attention.
That is, actually, a very analogous example of a film that keeps popping up in the parks despite the fact it doesn't seem like one of the more popular ones in their library. I guess perhaps the trick to survival in the Disneyverse is to get into the Princess franchise!
 

aladdin2007

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The worst part of all this is, no matter the theme or character used etc,,,were losing an iconic Magic Kingdom mountain range that was a main world wide known highlight of the park. That's really sad and downgrading to the park I think. They want to keep downgrading everything anyway, so goodbye mountain hello river run. Im not sure space mountain is long for this world either. I think they put tron next to it for a long term plan reason.
 

Dear Prudence

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My impression is the new ride is not so much meant to promote the show as the show and the ride are both part of a general effort on Disney's part to breathe life into PatF as an IP. The same goes for making sure there is a PatF segment in virtually every nighttime extravaganza they put together while a lot of their bigger hits get shuffled in and out.

They really want to foreground their one African American princess, which is understandable. The problem is that she's in a film that didn't exactly set the world on fire and they seem to want to convince everyone that it's a beloved classic. One example of that is having Harmonious culminate in a long PatF segment with songs I'm sure most guests don't know. Who knows, if they do a good job of the ride that could go some way to creating warmer and fuzzier feelings around the characters and music as people will associate them with Disneyland and WDW.
As someone who didn't care for the IP and its many, many issues the first time around, I am very relieved to see the attraction (and TV show) helmed by the right people. One of the original trailers for PATF was more interesting and entertaining than the film itself. I feel like both the new entities are going to be as lively and dynamic and engaging as they're trying to make the original film seem like it was. I am going to LOSE IT if the focus of this ride isn't primarily on Tiana, though.
 

Kirby86

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The worst part of all this is, no matter the theme or character used etc,,,were losing an iconic Magic Kingdom mountain range that was a main world wide known highlight of the park. That's really sad and downgrading to the park I think. They want to keep downgrading everything anyway, so goodbye mountain hello river run. Im not sure space mountain is long for this world either. I think they put tron next to it for a long term plan reason.
Space Mountain is pretty rough right now. Most coasters need a retrack every once in a while to smooth out the wear and tear. I'm not saying it should be rethemed but I can see it going down for refurbishment.
 

Sir_Cliff

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As someone who didn't care for the IP and its many, many issues the first time around, I am very relieved to see the attraction (and TV show) helmed by the right people. One of the original trailers for PATF was more interesting and entertaining than the film itself. I feel like both the new entities are going to be as lively and dynamic and engaging as they're trying to make the original film seem like it was. I am going to LOSE IT if the focus of this ride isn't primarily on Tiana, though.
Yes, I really agree. Hopefully they are taking the opportunity of the ride and the new series to make the IP what they want the film to have been. I think particularly the ride is a good chance to help make PatF it's own little world apart from the film itself, which is ironically a little like how Splash created feelings toward the characters and songs from SotS among people who have never seen the film. It seems they are being smart by putting Tiana front and centre and not going the frog route this time!
 

crazy4disney

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In the Parks
No
The budget initially tossed around was far far less. Even if it was $150 mil (which I doubt), don't underestimate Disney's ability to p*** away a fortune and have nothing to show for it. One of the most absurdly wasteful bloated corporations i've ever seen. Frozen reportedly cost $75 mil, which also had existing infrastructure with a mostly identical ride path. It didn't go well to say the least. Splash Mountain is immensely longer and more elaborate than Maelstrom was.
Imagine how far 150mm would have went w a proper Figment Update or using some of those funds to refurb Splash to its former glory.... instead a total waste of money. Not to mention now if you really wanted to get Tiana in the parks it should have been done properly with a brand new ride/restaurant
 

larryz

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Someone suggested earlier that Disney could do a Disney+ documentary of SotS making it a teachable moment, it still might be the smartest thing I’ve read on the forums… it would have been infinitely cheaper than redoing the ride, they’d have gotten new D+ content, and they could have finally put the SotS controversy to rest by acknowledging the pros, cons, realities, and glorification of the film rather than just pretending like it doesn’t exist.
They could just as easily put a screen before each scene in Splash Mountain with Whoopie telling us why we shouldn't be enjoying that part of the ride.
 

Dear Prudence

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Dumbo, Peter Pan, and Fantasia aren’t stuck in the vault, never to be released again, unlike SotS.

There’s no comparison. I would say everything about this is Disney’s fault.
Those are all huge moneymakers that are integral parts of their brand and marketing. Even if they were "as bad," (and I am not someone who quantifies that stuff) they'd find some way to justify it. Because, like, you and I have both said, this is 100000% their fault. Them acting like SOTS isn't their IP and their fault is just BONKERS. The way they act like Splash wasn't in their parks for 30+ years, like they weren't the ones who made it is WILD.
 

Smiley/OCD

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WDW's space mountain is long overdue for a track replacement so wouldn't be surprised if true.
Why is it that every other theme park in the US has tubular steel track coasters and they NEVER have to replace the tracks and yet people keep emphatically stating that the track needs to be replaced? I honestly want to know…
I’m 20 min from Six Flags Great Adventure in NJ and while wheel systems have been changed on cars, track has NEVER been changed (that I’m aware of)…the only time I’ve ever seen/heard of track being replaced is on traditional wooden coasters because the cars have metal wheels on metal tracks and friction of metal on metal will wear out no matter how much grease is used.
On coasters like SM, the wheels are polyurethane or similar…I’m really questioning this…please fill me in on my ignorance.
 

MrPromey

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Why is it that every other theme park in the US has tubular steel track coasters and they NEVER have to replace the tracks and yet people keep emphatically stating that the track needs to be replaced? I honestly want to know…
I’m 20 min from Six Flags Great Adventure in NJ and while wheel systems have been changed on cars, track has NEVER been changed (that I’m aware of)…the only time I’ve ever seen/heard of track being replaced is on traditional wooden coasters because the cars have metal wheels on metal tracks and friction of metal on metal will wear out no matter how much grease is used.
On coasters like SM, the wheels are polyurethane or similar…I’m really questioning this…please fill me in on my ignorance.

I don't have an answer for you but based on your question, I'd also wonder what the deal was with Hulk, then.
 

Andrew25

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Why is it that every other theme park in the US has tubular steel track coasters and they NEVER have to replace the tracks and yet people keep emphatically stating that the track needs to be replaced? I honestly want to know…
I’m 20 min from Six Flags Great Adventure in NJ and while wheel systems have been changed on cars, track has NEVER been changed (that I’m aware of)…the only time I’ve ever seen/heard of track being replaced is on traditional wooden coasters because the cars have metal wheels on metal tracks and friction of metal on metal will wear out no matter how much grease is used.
On coasters like SM, the wheels are polyurethane or similar…I’m really questioning this…please fill me in on my ignorance.

Those parks barely see the attendance that WDW and Universal parks do. Universal replaced Hulk for that reason. An indoor coaster like Space Mountain can last a bit longer than that. It's not about how old the attraction is, but how many cycles and the weather conditions it is exposed to.

Space Mountain's track doesn't need to be retracked, but it needs to be replaced for smoother transitions and elements.
 

LittleBuford

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Them acting like SOTS isn't their IP and their fault is just BONKERS. The way they act like Splash wasn't in their parks for 30+ years, like they weren't the ones who made it is WILD.
Disney’s general approach to problematic material is to quietly edit or (when that isn’t possible) bury it. Examples include the Jewish peddler in The Three Little Pigs (changed shortly after WW2 because of its anti-Semitism), Sunflower in Fantasia, and the original lyrics to “Arabian Nights”. I can’t recall a time when they’ve shone a spotlight on the issue or their addressing of it; the discourse surrounding the Splash Mountain retheme is about as close as they’ve come to being direct. That isn’t to excuse their evasive approach; I’m just not surprised by it in the same way you seem to be.
 

Kirby86

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Why is it that every other theme park in the US has tubular steel track coasters and they NEVER have to replace the tracks and yet people keep emphatically stating that the track needs to be replaced? I honestly want to know…
I’m 20 min from Six Flags Great Adventure in NJ and while wheel systems have been changed on cars, track has NEVER been changed (that I’m aware of)…the only time I’ve ever seen/heard of track being replaced is on traditional wooden coasters because the cars have metal wheels on metal tracks and friction of metal on metal will wear out no matter how much grease is used.
On coasters like SM, the wheels are polyurethane or similar…I’m really questioning this…please fill me in on my ignorance.
General wear and tear. It dosen't matter if it is a wooden coaster or a steel coaster over time the track will get rough. I guarantee those coasters at Six Flags are rougher now then the day they opened.
 

Californian Elitist

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Those are all huge moneymakers that are integral parts of their brand and marketing. Even if they were "as bad," (and I am not someone who quantifies that stuff) they'd find some way to justify it. Because, like, you and I have both said, this is 100000% their fault. Them acting like SOTS isn't their IP and their fault is just BONKERS. The way they act like Splash wasn't in their parks for 30+ years, like they weren't the ones who made it is WILD.
Great point about marketing and being integral to the brand, Fantasia and Peter Pan especially. Where would we be without Sorcerer Mickey, Tinkerbell, and pixie dust? The same thing can’t be said about SotS. You know what else is marketable? PatF.

This could have been avoided. Oh well.
 

Smiley/OCD

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General wear and tear. It dosen't matter if it is a wooden coaster or a steel coaster over time the track will get rough. I guarantee those coasters at Six Flags are rougher now then the day they opened.
I do realize that…the parks aren’t open 365 and the attendance is no where the same. I was just genuinely curious as to why everyone says the track needs to be replaced…makes sense I feel educated!
 
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