News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

[Animaniac93-98]

Very interesting take on The Princess and the Frog from a black perspective, that acknowledges that while PoC may enjoy the movie and find meaning in its representation, this particular movie could have done a better job telling its story and give greater significance to its black characters. It's why I think Disney relying so heavily on this one movie to prove they support black inclusion in their media/products could hurt them in the long term. TPatF is already over 10 years old and we've seen how other media that was considered groundbreaking or good enough in the late 2000s may not hold up to scrutiny now or in the future.

Skip to 8:30 and watch for about 20 min:

 

[TikibirdLand]

SOTS was the highest-grossing movie of 1946 only after multiple re-releases throughout the 20th century. It definitely was not in the top 10 box office the year it came out.

Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah is a great song, but its success wasn't necessarily due to the movie being popular. It quickly took on a life of its own outside of SotS.

That doesn't seem to be the case. According to The Numbers, SotS was the top grossing movie of 1946 with $49M grossed when adjusted for inflation. That's twice as much as the second grossing movie, Notorious.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Disney’s Pocahontas is definitely not the way to go if you want to “pander”. But knowing them and how clueless they are, they probably would take that approach.

how to 1000000% make it certain that Native people would never go to your parks ever again 101

 

[Roger_the_pianist]

I mean ... There's also the fact that it's in a land based around the American frontier while Robin Hood takes place in 12th century England.

But the songs are country western? It was narrated by Roger Miller who was a famous country singer at the time, and the Country Bears are across the way...

Not advocating for Robin Hood in Splash instead of Tiana, but honestly the Magic Kingdom can be viewed more as a giant Fantasyland where characters interact in the environments. With Adventureland being expanded with Animal Kingdom, Tomorrowland and Liberty Square expanded at Epcot, Magic Kingdom can be more free with who shows up in what land (probably even moreso than OG disneyland)

 

[James Alucobond]

But the songs are country western? It was narrated by Roger Miller who was a famous country singer at the time, and the Country Bears are across the way...

Not advocating for Robin Hood in Splash instead of Tiana, but honestly the Magic Kingdom can be viewed more as a giant Fantasyland where characters interact in the environments. With Adventureland being expanded with Animal Kingdom, Tomorrowland and Liberty Square expanded at Epcot, Magic Kingdom can be more free with who shows up in what land (probably even moreso than OG disneyland)

It would still be a supremely weird choice when there are medieval tourney tents, like, steps away that make far more sense for the aesthetic and time period of the movie.

 

[Roger_the_pianist]

I know, I know. To suggest Robin Hood (for time and place) or Pochahontas (because of controversy) only strengthens how appropriate Tiana will be. Disney is not gonna walk back the PatF redo, just a matter of wheeeeeen it will walk forward...

 

[Ghost93]

Very interesting take on The Princess and the Frog from a black perspective, that acknowledges that while PoC may enjoy the movie and find meaning in its representation, this particular movie could have done a better job telling its story and give greater significance to its black characters. It's why I think Disney relying so heavily on this one movie to prove they support black inclusion in their media/products could hurt them in the long term. TPatF is already over 10 years old and we've seen how other media that was considered groundbreaking or good enough in the late 2000s may not hold up to scrutiny now or in the future.

Skip to 8:30 and watch for about 20 min:

This is probably why Disney is making the Tiana animated series. They know they screwed up big time by making Tiana a frog for 75% of her movie, so the TV series will remedy that somewhat. Disney will probably hope positive reception for the TV show will overshadow the mistakes made in 2009.

Also, the Tiana Disney Plus show is being helmed by Stephanie Meghie — a Black woman. With her direction, the show will likely be more authentic to Black culture. It will also alleviate a lot of the problems created by the original movie being the creative brainchild of white men — John Lasseter, Ron Clemments, John Musker, and Randy Newman. I like PatF, but it's clearly a movie that was too afraid to take any risks because all of the white people making it were walking on eggshells and afraid of being labeled racist. With a Black woman making the Tiana series, there will probably be a lot more trust and faith, and goodwill behind the project and a greater chance of taking bold storytelling risks.

 

[Ghost93]

That doesn't seem to be the case. According to The Numbers, SotS was the top grossing movie of 1946 with $49M grossed when adjusted for inflation. That's twice as much as the second grossing movie, Notorious.

That list from the Numbers is accounting for multiple releases of all movies released in 1946. Notorious only got $24.4 million after being released numerous times. In its initial theatrical run, Alfred Hitchcock's Notorious only made $4.85 million. That's still a lot of money for 1946 which was a lot for the time, but nowhere near $24.4 million.

The highest-grossing of 1946 upon initial release was the Best Years of Our Lives, which made $10.2 million (it's also a great movie that still holds up today, so I highly recommend it). SOTS is overall the highest-grossing movie of 1946 due to very popular and successful re-releases in the 70s and 80s.

I believe Snow White and the Seven Dwarves and Mary Poppins were the only movies released during Walt Disney's lifetime that were number one at the box office in the year they were released. Most of the animated classics of Walt's lifetime were either modest hits or outright flops that grew in stature and appreciation over time.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Very interesting take on The Princess and the Frog from a black perspective, that acknowledges that while PoC may enjoy the movie and find meaning in its representation, this particular movie could have done a better job telling its story and give greater significance to its black characters. It's why I think Disney relying so heavily on this one movie to prove they support black inclusion in their media/products could hurt them in the long term. TPatF is already over 10 years old and we've seen how other media that was considered groundbreaking or good enough in the late 2000s may not hold up to scrutiny now or in the future.

Skip to 8:30 and watch for about 20 min:

This person is Notorious for her incredibly nuanced and informed analysis. Happy to see this video shared here, even if I don't watch her channel anymore.

Cue the usual suspects who can't hear or read anything untoward about either of these films commenting

Speaking of comments, one of the comments on this video points out that Big Daddy and Charlotte could have EASILY helped her get her restaurant. Also no one ever seems to want to talk about how Big Daddy even got his money...being the Sugar King...which would have probably have been...plantation money. But people who critique this film have "never seen it"

 

[Dear Prudence]

That list from the Numbers is accounting for multiple releases of all movies released in 1946. Notorious only got $24.4 million after being released numerous times. In its initial theatrical run, Alfred Hitchcock's Notorious only made $4.85 million. That's still a lot of money for 1946 which was a lot for the time, but nowhere near $24.4 million.

The highest-grossing of 1946 upon initial release was the Best Years of Our Lives, which made $10.2 million (it's also a great movie that still holds up today, so I highly recommend it). SOTS is overall the highest-grossing movie of 1946 due to very popular and successful re-releases in the 70s and 80s.

I believe Snow White and the Seven Dwarves and Mary Poppins were the only movies released during Walt Disney's lifetime that were number one at the box office in the year they were released. Most of the animated classics of Walt's lifetime were either modest hits or outright flops that grew in stature and appreciation over time.

I don't know what Numbers is, but I was citing a Casablanca special anniversary release that talked about how movies would come out once a week and Casablanca was just another one of those movies they didn't think was going to make the impact it did, and then went onto talk about how the war effected the film industry before and after WWII. SOTS being the number one movie that year isn't surprising or remarkable considering the other films released that year were bland at best. It's a Wonderful Life had an LA premiere in December, but a wider release in 1947, the same as Miracle on 34th Street (which was released in July or something like that?!)

 

[Ghost93]

I don't know what Numbers is, but I was citing a Casablanca special anniversary release that talked about how movies would come out once a week and Casablanca was just another one of those movies they didn't think was going to make the impact it did, and then went onto talk about how the war effected the film industry before and after WWII. SOTS being the number one movie that year isn't surprising or remarkable considering the other films released that year were bland at best. It's a Wonderful Life had an LA premiere in December, but a wider release in 1947, the same as Miracle on 34th Street (which was released in July or something like that?!)

I don't know why Miracle on 34th Street was released in the summer instead of Christmas or Thanksgiving time. I also don't know why Song of the South won an Oscar in 1948 when the movie came out in 1946.

It was a mistake for It's a Wonderful Life to not open in wide release in December as it's a Christmas movie. No wonder it flopped upon release. It's A Wonderful Life didn't really become the sensation it is until it hit TV. Tv reruns have elevated a lot of unseen gems into genuine classics. It's a shame in the streaming era where everyone's attention is divided that movies are unlikely to get that "second chance" at a new life if they flop in theaters.

 

[TikibirdLand]

That list from the Numbers is accounting for multiple releases of all movies released in 1946. Notorious only got $24.4 million after being released numerous times. In its initial theatrical run, Alfred Hitchcock's Notorious only made $4.85 million. That's still a lot of money for 1946 which was a lot for the time, but nowhere near $24.4 million.

The highest-grossing of 1946 upon initial release was the Best Years of Our Lives, which made $10.2 million (it's also a great movie that still holds up today, so I highly recommend it). SOTS is overall the highest-grossing movie of 1946 due to very popular and successful re-releases in the 70s and 80s.

I believe Snow White and the Seven Dwarves and Mary Poppins were the only movies released during Walt Disney's lifetime that were number one at the box office in the year they were released. Most of the animated classics of Walt's lifetime were either modest hits or outright flops that grew in stature and appreciation over time.

Can you help with a link that references the "numerous times". I'm not finding it. But, could be bad search foo

 

[Model3 McQueen]

I'm late to the party. Is anyone talking about the second log sinking on splash mountain?

 

[Midwest Elitist]

I'm late to the party. Is anyone talking about the second log sinking on splash mountain?

Not really. It's an incredibly unreliable log flume ride. Happened in Disneyland too, and they actually had the time (and did) to refurbish it.

 

[celluloid]

I'm late to the party. Is anyone talking about the second log sinking on splash mountain?

That would still happen if the ride theme was changed, it would just not be a problematic safety concern.

 

[Midwest Elitist]

That would still happen if the ride theme was changed, it would just not be a problematic safety concern.

Let's be honest here: it's the Br'er Rabbit carve out that is the cause of this!

 

[Ghost93]

I'm late to the party. Is anyone talking about the second log sinking on splash mountain?

When Disney says it wants to "immerse" guests in its rides, I didn't know the company was being so literal!!

 

[Animaniac93-98]

It's A Wonderful Life didn't really become the sensation it is until it hit TV. Tv reruns have elevated a lot of unseen gems into genuine classics.

Hocus Pocus would be the prime Disney example of this. Millennials were raised on regular Halloween season broadcasts.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Let's be honest here: it's the Br'er Rabbit carve out that is the cause of this!

Every since they tool out the lil bronze statue of him, the whole park has gone cattywampus. Now, I am NOOOOOTT implying that Brer Rabbit is taking his power back as an African and Native God and this is all Brer Rabbit's Revenge, but, like,....*gestures broadly*

 

[Dear Prudence]

Hocus Pocus would be the prime Disney example of this. Millennials were raised on regular Halloween season broadcasts.

See, I LOVED the movie when it came out and watched the VHS obsessively as a child and now I am sick of it because of the annoying nostalgia branding push