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News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure
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ImperfectPixie
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My point is that a beautiful and healthy body does not equal "thin". I personally know more than a few women who are shaped very similarly to Marilyn Monroe, but they consider themselves to be fat/overweight because the fashion and advertising industries for years have been pushing a beauty standard that is literally impossible for most women to attain, never mind the models themselves who must often resort to self-deprivation and sometimes drugs.
Beauty comes in many shapes and sizes...but society as a whole has long been failing to recognize that we're actively harming our girls and women by allowing money to take precedent over physical health and mental well-being.
LittleBuford
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This is a very strange rant indeed.
The Disney princesses (and princes) look the way they do because of standards of cartoonish beauty held at the times in which the films were made, not because of some quest for historical accuracy. You'll notice, for example, that Eric is considerably more muscular than earlier cartoon princes, a contrast that reflects casting shifts in live-action contexts too. I'm not interested in debating the issue of weight itself (you seem to have a very specific fixation on that particular topic), but I do think the claim that cartoon body types resemble those of premodern people is pretty farfetched and nonsensical.
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Kirby86
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I like the character and I think Jess Harnell does a great job especially since the ride was was his first major work in voice acting.
Californian Elitist
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Apparently Elizabeth Hurley said that she would kill herself if she was “as fat as Marilyn Monroe.” There seems to be no universal standard for an acceptable/attractive body type.
I’m what many consider to be “thick,” though plenty of people, Elizabeth Hurley included, it seems, would consider me “fat.” I could stand to lose some weight, sure, but I will never have skinny thighs and a small chest. DNA says hell no. If that makes me fat, then so be it. Some people admire it, some don’t.
Excuse the mess in the photo, I’m currently re-arranging my house.
I’m what many consider to be “thick,” though plenty of people, Elizabeth Hurley included, it seems, would consider me “fat.” I could stand to lose some weight, sure, but I will never have skinny thighs and a small chest. DNA says hell no. If that makes me fat, then so be it. Some people admire it, some don’t.
Excuse the mess in the photo, I’m currently re-arranging my house.
ImperfectPixie
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Elizabeth Hurley and everyone else with that attitude can pound sand.Apparently Elizabeth Hurley said that she would kill herself if she was “as fat as Marilyn Monroe.” There seems to be no universal standard for an acceptable/attractive body type.
I’m what many consider to be “thick,” though plenty of people, Elizabeth Hurley included, it seems, would consider me “fat.” I could stand to lose some weight, sure, but I will never have skinny thighs and a small chest. DNA says hell no. If that makes me fat, then so be it. Some people admire it, some don’t.
Excuse the mess in the photo, I’m currently re-arranging my house.
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I've always been gangly looking...super long limbs (especially my arms), but with a tummy (much more round than Marilyn's) and thick thighs (I rode horses for years when I was young, so my thighs were always thick and strong). Menopause and working behind a desk for years has not been kind to me though...I've lost a lot of weight and muscle to the point where I'm WAY too thin and bony-looking (I'm not exaggerating). My adopted mother asked recently if I have an eating disorder (I don't), and I want to cover up no matter how hot it is (which really sucks because I love being outside in the summer). And yes, a bunch of it is definitely DNA - my birth father is a 6'4" skinny bean-pole while I'm only 5'5" and until recently looked much more like my birth mom, who was 5'3" and curvy like Marilyn (minus the chest).
Things that bother me about Hollywood, fashion and advertising - oh! and let's not forget social media filters and music videos:
- They push a standard that they KNOW is unattainable and continue the airbrushing of what are arguably already beautiful women to make them appear thinner and younger even after being called out for these actions
- Most people can't afford the personal trainer, nutritionist, etc. that help celebrities maintain their shape
- Most people can't afford a stylist and make-up artist to make them look a certain way every day
- They further poor self-esteem and body image in generation after generation of girls and women
- The industries themselves are often cruel to the models they employ...starvation diets, drugs, huge amounts of pressure, etc.
- How many men have left their wives for a younger, more "beautiful" woman? (I realize this is on the men, but let's not contribute to the issue by maintaining beauty standards that tell the world that weighing more than a certain amount or being older than a certain age is no longer beautiful)
- How much emotional distress, eating disorders, and other mental health issues could be avoided if society (as a whole) prioritized health and being comfortable in one's own skin instead of a particular body shape?
- Does the fashion industry even design clothes to fit real bodies anymore? (Serious question...I can't remember the last time I was able to buy jeans that fit my waist but are long enough in the torso and leg, or if they fit my legs and torso, they're way too tight in the waist)
- Who the hell wants to curl up to a bag of bones at night?
Californian Elitist
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Preach. I started feeling upset every time I opened up my Instagram feed and I didn’t realize why until a couple of months ago: 99% of the celebrities/influencers I followed were making me feel bad/insecure about myself. It wasn’t just the body images they were portraying that were affecting me, but their lifestyles in general. Traveling here and there, eating the best foods, having makeup artists on hand to ensure a beautiful face for the day, riding in expensive cars, etc. I’ve since unfollowed almost all influencer types (there are few exceptions, like Zendaya and the love of my life, Jeff Goldblum) and I feel much better.
GoneForGood
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Found these on Instagram. Smiled like a little child the whole time.
(Not from any official project, I think these were made for an independent class thing.)
ImperfectPixie
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RIGHT?!? Similar happened to me when my boys were small. Nothing I was doing as a mom or a woman was right. Staying home to care for them wasn't right. Putting them in day care so I could work wasn't right. Vaccinating them caused their autism (yes, someone literally said that to me once). My house wasn't new enough or spotless enough. My clothes sucked. I didn't lose 75lbs gained during pregnancy fast enough (it took more than 5 years). I didn't wear enough makeup. We didn't do enough "mommy and me" type activities (
). I wasn't in the PTA (because who needs those snobby b*tches). It was BAD and I got really, really depressed.The whole "influencer" thing makes me gag. I don't need someone telling me what I need to be happy. Most celebrities suck, too. The only ones I follow are either super funny, or super humble and real, or super interesting (hello, Jeff Goldblum! LOL!)
Californian Elitist
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It’s NEVER enough! I’m not a mother yet, but I can only imagine what it would be like in this society, trying to do your best, all while others seem to be doing the job better and/or criticizing you for not doing enough. Imagine following a bunch of mommy bloggers while trying to parent? I’m childless, but even the few mommy bloggers I followed were making social media nearly unbearable for me. They got unfollowed as well lol.RIGHT?!? Similar happened to me when my boys were small. Nothing I was doing as a mom or a woman was right. Staying home to care for them wasn't right. Putting them in day care so I could work wasn't right. Vaccinating them caused their autism (yes, someone literally said that to me once). My house wasn't new enough or spotless enough. My clothes sucked. I didn't lose 75lbs gained during pregnancy fast enough (it took more than 5 years). I didn't wear enough makeup. We didn't do enough "mommy and me" type activities (
The whole "influencer" thing makes me gag. I don't need someone telling me what I need to be happy. Most celebrities suck, too. The only ones I follow are either super funny, or super humble and real, or super interesting (hello, Jeff Goldblum! LOL!)
Whoever made that autism comment about your children is shameful. I’m sorry you experienced that. Ignorant nonsense. And yes, the toxic positivity is gag-worthy. Celebrities really do suck. I had this conversation with my sister about a month ago. We’re tired of celebrities. Social media makes it easier for us to be in their lives a lot more, if we allow ourselves to, and that’s the problem. They’re everywhere.
Jeff is NEVER getting unfollowed! That’s one celebrity that I refuse to let go of.
His posts don’t make me feel like crap. And he’s handsome. No need to unfollow lol.Okay, back to the “woke mob” ruining Splash Mountain discussion.
RSoxNo1
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Dibs on two cases of water.Apparently Elizabeth Hurley said that she would kill herself if she was “as fat as Marilyn Monroe.” There seems to be no universal standard for an acceptable/attractive body type.
I’m what many consider to be “thick,” though plenty of people, Elizabeth Hurley included, it seems, would consider me “fat.” I could stand to lose some weight, sure, but I will never have skinny thighs and a small chest. DNA says hell no. If that makes me fat, then so be it. Some people admire it, some don’t.
Excuse the mess in the photo, I’m currently re-arranging my house.
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Californian Elitist
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Take them! Not sure why we keep buying them when we have a water dispenser.
Incomudro
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Marilyn's physique varied with her age.First of all, you were flat out incorrect about people throughout history.
Fatness and Thinness in the Middle Ages
What did medieval people, living in a preindustrial time of food scarcity, think about fatness and thinness?www.medievalists.net
Second of all, Marilyn Monroe - undeniably one of the most beautiful women to ever have lived - was a girl with very healthy-looking curves. She was not a waif-thin model of the sort we see today, and she definitely didn't resemble any of the Disney princesses, with their corset-sized waists and exaggerated hips. She's got a bit of a tummy, and has thicker arms and thighs than would be acceptable by today's standards (which I really think looks unhealthy and frail).
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She was very thin when she was a teenager.
And the Disney Princesses are likely teenagers - maybe very early twenties.
Why would animators from half a century ago draw them zaftig?
To appease people in the year 2022?
This image is often used to exaggerate her physique as if to illustrate that this was a norm, and her norm.
It wasn't.
ImperfectPixie
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Just knock it off.
It is all really about animation anyway.
Round in drawing media is sceen as friendly and soft. Pointy lines and angles are typically villainous. Nothing personal or time period about it.
Coachman from Pinocchio is an easy example of this.
After it is revealed he is slave driving them as mules.
Round in drawing media is sceen as friendly and soft. Pointy lines and angles are typically villainous. Nothing personal or time period about it.
Coachman from Pinocchio is an easy example of this.
After it is revealed he is slave driving them as mules.
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My takeaway: Pooh will rethemed to a thinner, healthier IP.
From half portions and twice the price, he should thank the company.
Dear Prudence
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God I hope not. Tiana deserves better
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