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[Midwest Elitist]

It's not about a quantity of people on either side.
It's a matter of who's the most vocal, and who has the current climate on their sidr.

Being the most vocal doesn't necessarily put people on your side, it can also make you just look like the loud idiot that everyone eventually just finds annoying and ignores. Look at *cough cough* the past 4 years.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Oh i agree if they were going to cancel this, they would just never speak about it again. I also agree that the majority of MK guests don’t even know this is a thing, however the minority is loud. I strongly believe there is no reason to not think this is happening

McDonald's finally had to fix their ice cream machines. They should get that team on this project.

 

[MisterPenguin]

The "Princess Brand" is purely a marketing tool. Admittedly so by its creators.

And yes, including Mulan made no sense with regard to the purported purpose of the brand, that is, to highlight Disney princesses. But it made marketing sense since Mulan couldn't, by herself, keep her merchandising franchise going solo. And so, she joins the other princesses, who, together, are synergistically more than the sum of the individuals.

And it made sense to be intentionally diverse... so that they can be merchandised to a diverse audience. This isn't virtue signalling. It's capitalism.

But the whole things hurts the brain to see how the brand is handled. Moana was the last one officially added, but with no 'induction ceremony.' Anna and Else were never added, but they were their own merchandising/franchising juggernaut (in retrospect, they could have left Moana out for the same reason). Originally, Tinkerbell and Esmerelda were part of the line-up -- a sure sign that 'princess' was originally meant in the loosest sense -- but they got dropped quickly.

Sofia and Elena never got inducted, maybe that's because before the age of Disney+, TV still had that lowbrow stench compared to cinema. However, Elena now regularly appears with the official princesses on floats and M&Gs.

Raya, as a chieftain's daughter is technically a princess in the way Moana or Pocahontas is, but I haven't seen her hobnob with the branded royalty... yet.

Mirabel is the granddaughter of a sort-of Mayor of a town, and maybe the magically-chosen successor to her grandmother... but with Mulan in the mix... does pedigree matter anyway? Besides, it seem that Mirabel/Encanto doesn't need the Princess Brand to carry her own merchandising weight. And with Elena unofficially in the mix, the Brand already has a Latina Princessa.

 

[Incomudro]

Which I wouldn't care about aside from a few things - that they insist on princessifying every corner of the parks; and they also negate any progress they make with their princess characters and diversity by continuing to present the same tiny waistlines and furthering the pigeonholing of gender and toys/playing (ie: boys play with cars and trucks, girls play with dolls).

Let's remember, the time period these movies take place in are hundreds of years ago.
People were thin.
And the female characters in these films are teenagers really - they'd be thin.
And the films were marketed to Americans in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's... Those audiences were mostly thin, particularly the younger people who the films were arguably geared more towards.

 

[Kirby86]

The "Princess Brand" is purely a marketing tool. Admittedly so by its creators.

And yes, including Mulan made no sense with regard to the purported purpose of the brand, that is, to highlight Disney princesses. But it made marketing sense since Mulan couldn't, by herself, keep her merchandising franchise going solo. And so, she joins the other princesses, who, together, are synergetically more than the sum of the individuals.

And it made sense to be intentionally diverse... so that they can be merchandised to a diverse audience. This isn't virtue signalling. It's capitalism.

But the whole things hurts the brain to see how the brand is handled. Moana was the last one officially added, but with no 'induction ceremony.' Anna and Else were never added, but they were their own merchandising/franchising juggernaut (in retrospect, they could have left Moana out for the same reason). Originally, Tinkerbell and Esmerelda were part of the line-up -- a sure sign that 'princess' was originally meant in the loosest sense -- but they got dropped quickly.

Sofia and Elena never got inducted, maybe that's because before the age of Disney+, TV still had that lowbrow stench compared to cinema. However, Elena now regularly appears with the official princesses on floats and M&Gs.

Raya, as a chieftain's daughter is technically a princess in the way Moana or Pocahontas is, but I haven't seen her hobnob with the branded royalty... yet.

Mirabel is the granddaughter of a sort-of Mayor of a town, and maybe the magically-chosen successor to her grandmother... but with Mulan in the mix... does pedigree matter anyway? Besides, it seem that Mirabel/Encanto doesn't need the Princess Brand to carry her own merchandising weight. And with Elena unofficially in the mix, the Brand already has a Latina Princessa.

Well they gave Tinkerbell the fairy line so it makes sense she wasn't in the princess line anymore. Esmereleda probably wasn't a great seller like most things Hunchback of Notre-Dame so they cut her out. But obviously like you said the Princess Brand is just a way for Disney to market and these characters long after the films lost market relevance (example you're not walking into the store and seeing Aladdin or Snow White and the Seven Dwarves branded toys) as for Frozen that brand still sells so they wouldn't cut that off at the legs. It's still to early to see how long they will keep Encanto branded toys.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Let's remember, the time period these movies take place in are hundreds of years ago.
People were thin.
And the female characters in these films are teenagers really - they'd be thin.
And the films were marketed to Americans in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's... Those audiences were mostly thin, particularly the younger people who the films were arguably geared more towards.

Again with your fixation on weight.

I'm referring to the inhumanly small waists and large hips. These things don't just ignore actual body types (of which there are a multitude, even when limited to "thin"), but furthers unhealthy body image in girls.

ETA: Don't get me started on corsets and the myriad of health problems they contributed to...

 

[LittleBuford]

Let's remember, the time period these movies take place in are hundreds of years ago.
People were thin.

Leaving aside the fact that historical accuracy is not something any of the films in question aspire to, it is not remotely true that people in the past (especially those of the well-fed elites) were universally thin.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Leaving aside the fact that historical accuracy is not something any of the films in question aspire to, it is not remotely true that people in the past (especially those of the well-fed elites) were universally thin.

Yeah, this guy was definitely underfed. /s

 

[Incomudro]

Leaving aside the fact that historical accuracy is not something any of the films in question aspire to, it is not remotely true that people in the past (especially those of the well-fed elites) were universally thin.

Yeah, this guy was definitely underfed. /s

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Yeah, well... He was a King, known for overindulgence.
Not a teenage girl.

 

[Incomudro]

Leaving aside the fact that historical accuracy is not something any of the films in question aspire to, it is not remotely true that people in the past (especially those of the well-fed elites) were universally thin.

Universally, no.
Overwhelmingly yes.
Don't even attempt to equate what's going on this country now - let alone in this same country just a couple of decades ago.
Now, you want to compare that with Europe hundreds of years ago?
And people who probably weren't even 20 years old hundreds of years ago.
That's nuts.
Yeah, you could find them.
But why would anyone make an animated film starring them 20, 30, 50 years ago?
Where would the market be?
And boy those Princes look awfully fit in those films.
Perhaps they should have been drawn with big guts so that Americans in 2020 could relate.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Yeah, well... He was a King, known for overindulgence.
Not a teenage girl.

A teenaged girl forced to wear a garment that constricted her body into unrealistic beauty standards even though said garments also caused long-term health issues?

 

[EagleScout610]

They wouldn't just clone the Belle AAs and reskin them...right?

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Universally, no.
Overwhelmingly yes.
Don't even attempt to equate what's going on this country now - let alone in this same country just a couple of decades ago.
Now, you want to compare that with Europe hundreds of years ago?
And people who probably weren't even 20 years old hundreds of years ago.
That's nuts.
Yeah, you could find them.
But why would anyone make an animated film starring them 20, 30, 50 years ago?
Where would the market be?
And boy those Princes look awfully fit in those films.
Perhaps they should have been drawn with big guts so that Americans in 2020 could relate.

First of all, you were flat out incorrect about people throughout history.

Fatness and Thinness in the Middle Ages

What did medieval people, living in a preindustrial time of food scarcity, think about fatness and thinness?

www.medievalists.net

Second of all, Marilyn Monroe - undeniably one of the most beautiful women to ever have lived - was a girl with very healthy-looking curves. She was not a waif-thin model of the sort we see today, and she definitely didn't resemble any of the Disney princesses, with their corset-sized waists and exaggerated hips. She's got a bit of a tummy, and has thicker arms and thighs than would be acceptable by today's standards (which I really think looks unhealthy and frail).

 

[RSoxNo1]

Yeah, this guy was definitely underfed. /s

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Daddy?

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Uh....what was your point again? I hope you aren't drawing any comparison to the morbidly obese women of today (especially those that disproportionately fill the Disney parks) with Marilyn Monroe.

Yeah....they're all "thick" like Marilyn.

Sure, why not.

Or, if your point is that every Disney princess should look like Marilyn Monroe? Then, yes, please!


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My point is that a beautiful and healthy body does not equal "thin". I personally know more than a few women who are shaped very similarly to Marilyn Monroe, but they consider themselves to be fat/overweight because the fashion and advertising industries for years have been pushing a beauty standard that is literally impossible for most women to attain, never mind the models themselves who must often resort to self-deprivation and sometimes drugs.

Beauty comes in many shapes and sizes...but society as a whole has long been failing to recognize that we're actively harming our girls and women by allowing money to take precedent over physical health and mental well-being.

 

[LittleBuford]

Universally, no.
Overwhelmingly yes.
Don't even attempt to equate what's going on this country now - let alone in this same country just a couple of decades ago.
Now, you want to compare that with Europe hundreds of years ago?
And people who probably weren't even 20 years old hundreds of years ago.
That's nuts.
Yeah, you could find them.
But why would anyone make an animated film starring them 20, 30, 50 years ago?
Where would the market be?
And boy those Princes look awfully fit in those films.
Perhaps they should have been drawn with big guts so that Americans in 2020 could relate.

This is a very strange rant indeed.

The Disney princesses (and princes) look the way they do because of standards of cartoonish beauty held at the times in which the films were made, not because of some quest for historical accuracy. You'll notice, for example, that Eric is considerably more muscular than earlier cartoon princes, a contrast that reflects casting shifts in live-action contexts too. I'm not interested in debating the issue of weight itself (you seem to have a very specific fixation on that particular topic), but I do think the claim that cartoon body types resemble those of premodern people is pretty farfetched and nonsensical.

 

[dig311dug]

So how about that Brer Rabbit, eh?

 

[Kirby86]

So how about that Brer Rabbit, eh?

I like the character and I think Jess Harnell does a great job especially since the ride was was his first major work in voice acting.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Apparently Elizabeth Hurley said that she would kill herself if she was “as fat as Marilyn Monroe.” There seems to be no universal standard for an acceptable/attractive body type.

I’m what many consider to be “thick,” though plenty of people, Elizabeth Hurley included, it seems, would consider me “fat.” I could stand to lose some weight, sure, but I will never have skinny thighs and a small chest. DNA says hell no. If that makes me fat, then so be it. Some people admire it, some don’t.

Excuse the mess in the photo, I’m currently re-arranging my house.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Apparently Elizabeth Hurley said that she would kill herself if she was “as fat as Marilyn Monroe.” There seems to be no universal standard for an acceptable/attractive body type.

I’m what many consider to be “thick,” though plenty of people, Elizabeth Hurley included, it seems, would consider me “fat.” I could stand to lose some weight, sure, but I will never have skinny thighs and a small chest. DNA says hell no. If that makes me fat, then so be it. Some people admire it, some don’t.

Excuse the mess in the photo, I’m currently re-arranging my house.

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Elizabeth Hurley and everyone else with that attitude can pound sand.

I've always been gangly looking...super long limbs (especially my arms), but with a tummy (much more round than Marilyn's) and thick thighs (I rode horses for years when I was young, so my thighs were always thick and strong). Menopause and working behind a desk for years has not been kind to me though...I've lost a lot of weight and muscle to the point where I'm WAY too thin and bony-looking (I'm not exaggerating). My adopted mother asked recently if I have an eating disorder (I don't), and I want to cover up no matter how hot it is (which really sucks because I love being outside in the summer). And yes, a bunch of it is definitely DNA - my birth father is a 6'4" skinny bean-pole while I'm only 5'5" and until recently looked much more like my birth mom, who was 5'3" and curvy like Marilyn (minus the chest).

Things that bother me about Hollywood, fashion and advertising - oh! and let's not forget social media filters and music videos:

• They push a standard that they KNOW is unattainable and continue the airbrushing of what are arguably already beautiful women to make them appear thinner and younger even after being called out for these actions
• Most people can't afford the personal trainer, nutritionist, etc. that help celebrities maintain their shape
• Most people can't afford a stylist and make-up artist to make them look a certain way every day
• They further poor self-esteem and body image in generation after generation of girls and women
• The industries themselves are often cruel to the models they employ...starvation diets, drugs, huge amounts of pressure, etc.
• How many men have left their wives for a younger, more "beautiful" woman? (I realize this is on the men, but let's not contribute to the issue by maintaining beauty standards that tell the world that weighing more than a certain amount or being older than a certain age is no longer beautiful)
• How much emotional distress, eating disorders, and other mental health issues could be avoided if society (as a whole) prioritized health and being comfortable in one's own skin instead of a particular body shape?
• Does the fashion industry even design clothes to fit real bodies anymore? (Serious question...I can't remember the last time I was able to buy jeans that fit my waist but are long enough in the torso and leg, or if they fit my legs and torso, they're way too tight in the waist)
• Who the hell wants to curl up to a bag of bones at night?

As you can tell, this is an issue that strikes close to home for me. My younger sister struggled with her weight for most of her life (until around her mid-30s...she wasn't just overweight, she was obese and headed towards being morbidly so), and married her first boyfriend (she met him in college and holy hell was that a disaster-and-a-half...she even underwent surgery in an attempt to please him...he lied about everything under the sun and cheated on her) and as a result of her issues she still makes bad choices when it comes to people based on shallow factors.