Sharon&Susan
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They'll probably replace it with Louie or one of the Country Bears.
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Brer Oswald
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The characters all come from roughly the same era. Minnie, Pluto, Goofy, Donald are all from late 20/early 30s. Chip and Dale, Dumbo, Pinocchio, And Brer Rabbit are From the 40s. They’d probably go with a Classic Disney film character with a presence in the park (Peter Pan, Dopey, Alice). Or, swap Rabbit for Rabbit and go Oswald.
But it’s Disney. It’s not unlike them to put a completely out of place character (like the Pig from Moana) there. They could also remove all of the statues. Or they could just leave it because taking it away would do nothing.
Brer Panther
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Depressingly, I can actually see them doing that.
You mean, characters from a non-IP based ride? Iger would likely be horrified by that idea.
LittleBuford
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I love the parks. For me at least, they continue to exemplify Disney.
91JLovesDisney
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Walt Iger Land
manmythlegend
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1995-2005 was probably peak for me at WDW. I mainly stick with DL now and the overseas parks.
AdventureHasAName
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I always consider Peak WDW to be August 1994. The Tower of Terror opened on July 22, 1994 and 20k Leagues closed on September 5, 1994. Frank Wells died in April 1994 and Eisner made a mess of almost everything parks-related after his death.
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UNCgolf
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That's a good choice. I would love to be able to visit that 1994 WDW again -- especially if I could drop present day Animal Kingdom in as well, because it's a great park.
Phil12
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Disney puts extended 'racism' trigger warning on Dumbo and Peter Pan
Disney has introduced an extended trigger warning before Dumbo and Peter Pan, saying the cultural “stereotypes” which appear in the classic films were “wrong then and wrong now”. The content advisory notice, introduced on the new Disney+ streaming service, is played to viewers before the start...
Well, it took them awhile, but they have put a proper disclaimer on their racist movies. And please notice that the message is clear.
"These stereotypes were wrong then and are wrong now,” the warning reads. “Rather than remove this content, we want to acknowledge its harmful impact, learn from it and spark conversation to create a more inclusive future together. "
However, Song of the South is so racist, they still have the film tightly locked in the vault. Perhaps, now that TWDC has admitted that Walt was a racist, they will one day remove Song of the South from the vault and put a disclaimer on it as well. And put Sunflower back into Fantasia with a disclaimer. And do the same for the other objectionable content.
The re-theme of Splash Mountain is a great way to demonstrate their commitment to his issue and this new disclaimer is clear and unambiguous. They're taking the needed steps.
One step at a time.
Brer Oswald
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Song of the South will never come out of the vault. Not because it is “so racist” or even remotely as racist as the films that got the content advisories. But because there is zero monetary gain to doing so. Peter Pan and Dumbo are significant IP to the company. They will never forget about them. Brer Rabbit just isn’t any more.Disney puts extended 'racism' trigger warning on Dumbo and Peter Pan
Disney has introduced an extended trigger warning before Dumbo and Peter Pan, saying the cultural “stereotypes” which appear in the classic films were “wrong then and wrong now”. The content advisory notice, introduced on the new Disney+ streaming service, is played to viewers before the start...currently.att.yahoo.com
Well, it took them awhile, but they have put a proper disclaimer on their racist movies. And please notice that the message is clear.
"These stereotypes were wrong then and are wrong now,” the warning reads. “Rather than remove this content, we want to acknowledge its harmful impact, learn from it and spark conversation to create a more inclusive future together. "
However, Song of the South is so racist, they still have the film tightly locked in the vault. Perhaps, now that TWDC has admitted that Walt was a racist, they will one day remove Song of the South from the vault and put a disclaimer on it as well. And put Sunflower back into Fantasia with a disclaimer. And do the same for the other objectionable content.
The re-theme of Splash Mountain is a great way to demonstrate their commitment to his issue and this new disclaimer is clear and unambiguous. They're taking the needed steps.
One step at a time.
As for the advisories, well needed. However, advisories should be more specific than this low effort attempt. How are we roping Jungle Book in the same breath as Peter Pan? Where is the racism in Jungle Book? King Louie? Louie Prima is white, so the racism in assuming the character is a black stereotype doesn’t fall in Disney. It falls square on the viewer for making that assumption.
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I've been a Disney fan since childhood, seen Fantasia numerous times, including multiple viewings in the theater, and never knew about Sunflower until now. I flew to Youtube to see the censored scenes and my jaw is on the floor. Holy crap.
Phil12
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Walt Minstry: Jungle Book’s Blackface Performance
Disney’s The Jungle Book, released in 1967, was a huge box office success. The film was praised highly for its attention to voice casting as a primary identifier of character’s personality an…
pages.stolaf.edu
Brer Oswald
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You just linked me an opinion piece that assumes the monkey’s are meant to represent black People with no other reasoning than “it’s obvious”.Walt Minstry: Jungle Book’s Blackface Performance
Disney’s The Jungle Book, released in 1967, was a huge box office success. The film was praised highly for its attention to voice casting as a primary identifier of character’s personality an…pages.stolaf.edu
The implicit bias in assuming that this connection is implied is itself the problem. The people who jump to this conclusion are the ones with the racist bias.
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Walt Minstry: Jungle Book’s Blackface Performance
Disney’s The Jungle Book, released in 1967, was a huge box office success. The film was praised highly for its attention to voice casting as a primary identifier of character’s personality an…pages.stolaf.edu
Great article! Thank you for sharing it.
"The images and parallels, promotion and reinforcement of blackface minstrel performance in today’s society is still present and alive in areas many don’t realize."
Kinda like Splash Mountain.
"Perhaps more disturbing is attempting to understand how to respond to such images in our culture. It is difficult to determine the intentionality of these types of images and stereotypes present in The Jungle Book. Are the creators deliberately placing racist material in their films, or are these simply embedded structures that people promote without realizing or understanding the implications of their meaning?
Kinda like Splash Mountain.
"Ultimately, the only way that a society can change is through each individual influence on it. Becoming better educated in historical traditions, mistakes, and problems can help us become more aware of them in today’s society and prevent us from incorporating them into our own productions of art, actions, or words. "
Kinda like Splash Mountain fans who shrug off the attraction's racist characterizations as insignificant.
Phil12
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You seem to have overlooked the fact that TWDC has put a disclaimer on the film that clearly states it contains harmful stereotypes. You may continue to deny that these racist tropes exist, but you're only fooling yourself.
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I recommend having your eyes checked. What you see is a lot bigger than a chip. It's the full weight of the physiological and psychological impact of centuries of institutionalized white supremacy in America.
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Brer Oswald
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The 20 year old intern applying a blanket statement disclaimer on Jungle Book doesn’t tell me much of anything.
If they had created a specific disclaimer, presented by a historian with knowledge of the creation of the film, that would be something I could get behind.
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