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We make a mistake if we believe that people who have enslaved people of the same race believe those people are the same.
We're really splitting hairs in determining and branding one form as worse than the others.

You're right that slavery de-humanizes people. I'm not saying that any slavery is "not so bad." I'm saying that the dehumanizing effects of race-based slavery (as with the nation of Israel or African peoples enslaved in the U.S.) usually result in enduring inequality, oppression, and racism.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Could you explain why?

Sure, if you're a slave (literally or practically), the thought process of the slave master is irrelevant. It's the treatment and loss of freedom that is the problem, not the perpetrator's motivation. Italian slaves in Rome in 72 BC weren't sitting around saying, "Well, that physical beating sucked, but at least it didn't happen because I'm Italian." Sardinian Christian slaves in 1795 weren't feeling better about themselves because the Libyan pirates that enslaved them didn't really care what skin color they had and were, instead, primarily concerned with religious differences. A black woman captured and enslaved today in the Sudan isn't relieved because her owner is black and it's not racial subjugation.

To the slave, the problem with slavery is the act - the removal of self-determination and the physical mistreatment. And it sucks for everyone placed in that situation (at any time in history), regardless of motivation.

 

[LittleBuford]

Sure, if you're a slave (literally or practically), the thought process of the slave master is irrelevant. It's the treatment and loss of freedom that is the problem, not the perpetrator's motivation.

But my answer to you referred to treatment as well as motivation, giving some examples I’m familiar with from the Ottoman context (which, of course, may not be representative of others). The most powerful grand viziers (prime ministers) of the Ottoman Empire were slaves. They had status and wealth and often married the sultans’ daughters. The sultans themselves were born to slave women who were elevated to the rank of queen mother. None of this excuses the fact that the individuals in question were enslaved as youths, but it does present a stark counterpoint to how slavery works in systems that treat enslaved people as less than human.

 

[WillWrambles]

This is the thread that will be missed the most.

 

[Mr Bill]

Is it worse than gender-based slavery (where women have no civil rights and are essentially owned by their fathers/husbands/brothers)?

Lemme check the Bigotry Power Rankings and I'll get back to you

 

[WillWrambles]

Lemme check the Bigotry Power Rankings and I'll get back to you

THE FORUM IS SHUTTING DOWN IN 8 MINUTES, NO MORE TIME FOR ARGUEMENTS!

 

[Sharon&Susan]

Sooner or later you're gonna be coming around, I bet'ya...

 

[WillWrambles]

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Get in your last arguments, folks.