Splash Mountain re-theme announced

[ImperfectPixie]

It wasn’t a New York Post article, as clearly written and linked. However, it is a conservative paper.. you don’t have to read it.. no one has to.. but simply saying “Personally, I won’t read it.” is better than making strange excuses.
Carry on.

The author of the article is the op-ed editor for the Post. There's a connection there.

 

[LittleBuford]

Here’s the article, without the twitter link. Result is the same.

This ‘revolution’ isn’t what it looks like | The Spectator

I read it. These two paragraphs sum up the author's argument:

But when national institutions bow (or kneel) to the street fighters’ demands, it should tell us that something else is going on. We aren’t dealing with a Maoist or Marxist revolt, even if some protagonists spout hard-leftish rhetoric. Rather, what’s playing out is a counter-revolution of the neoliberal class — academe, media, large corporations, ‘experts’, Big Tech — against the nationalist revolution launched in 2016. The supposed insurgents and the elites are marching in the streets together, taking the knee together.​

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They do not seek a radically new arrangement, but a return to the pre-Trump, pre-Brexit status quo ante which was working out very well for them. It was, of course, working out less well for the working class of all races, who bore the brunt of their preferred policy mix: open borders, free trade without limits, an aggressive cultural liberalism that corroded tradition and community, technocratic ‘global governance’ that neutered democracy and politics as such.​

But how does any of this relate to Splash Mountain?

 

[ImperfectPixie]

. We are doomed as a society.

If people are willing to put weight into trash media, I would have to agree with you.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I read it. These two paragraphs sum up the author's argument:

But when national institutions bow (or kneel) to the street fighters’ demands, it should tell us that something else is going on. We aren’t dealing with a Maoist or Marxist revolt, even if some protagonists spout hard-leftish rhetoric. Rather, what’s playing out is a counter-revolution of the neoliberal class — academe, media, large corporations, ‘experts’, Big Tech — against the nationalist revolution launched in 2016. The supposed insurgents and the elites are marching in the streets together, taking the knee together.​

​

They do not seek a radically new arrangement, but a return to the pre-Trump, pre-Brexit status quo ante which was working out very well for them. It was, of course, working out less well for the working class of all races, who bore the brunt of their preferred policy mix: open borders, free trade without limits, an aggressive cultural liberalism that corroded tradition and community, technocratic ‘global governance’ that neutered democracy and politics as such.​

But how does any of this relate to Splash Mountain?

It doesn't. At all.

 

[kong1802]

It wasn’t a New York Post article, as clearly written and linked. However, it is a conservative paper.. you don’t have to read it.. no one has to.. but simply saying “Personally, I won’t read it.” is better than making strange excuses.
Sometimes I want to read something, sometimes I don’t, but I do not discard something strictly for the fact that it comes from a liberal leaning publication. I see the content first. To each their own.
Carry on.

When the author is the co-editor of a publication like the NY Post, I'll safely pass.....

Now if the author writes or edits for a more reputable publication like say Cat Weekly, Im all in....

And there's a difference between "leaning" and "all in on the crazy" lol

 

[hokielutz]

Of course the alt-right will have that interpretation but I think we know better than to listen to those folks.

Interpretation is correct... you are interpreting the counter petition as an alt-right call to action... when others interpret the change as an over-reaction by the corporation to appease a very small group that would've moved onto their next target if Disney execs kept mum.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Right. Reading isn’t a good thing, not if it could possibly come from something you don’t agree with.

We aren’t going to see eye to eye here. I think Rachel Maddow’s show is trash, but I watch it, because I don’t stay in a bubble, I know other people are watching it, and I want to know what they’re seeing.
Again, different strokes.

I read articles from many different sources with various leanings. The NYP is not among them for a reason.

 

[21stamps]

I read it. These two paragraphs sum up the author's argument:

But when national institutions bow (or kneel) to the street fighters’ demands, it should tell us that something else is going on. We aren’t dealing with a Maoist or Marxist revolt, even if some protagonists spout hard-leftish rhetoric. Rather, what’s playing out is a counter-revolution of the neoliberal class — academe, media, large corporations, ‘experts’, Big Tech — against the nationalist revolution launched in 2016. The supposed insurgents and the elites are marching in the streets together, taking the knee together.​

​

They do not seek a radically new arrangement, but a return to the pre-Trump, pre-Brexit status quo ante which was working out very well for them. It was, of course, working out less well for the working class of all races, who bore the brunt of their preferred policy mix: open borders, free trade without limits, an aggressive cultural liberalism that corroded tradition and community, technocratic ‘global governance’ that neutered democracy and politics as such.​

But how does any of this relate to Splash Mountain?

It’s all the same thing. This entire movement and the people bowing to it... I don’t believe there’s a bit of sincerity there.
If there was, then wouldn’t we have heard from at least one person who was bothered by Splash in the first place? We likely won’t, because that’s not why the change is coming.

 

[hokielutz]

I'd continue messing with you, but as I am sure you are aware, these will be deleted in short order.

Best of luck Che

Phil has been deleted a number of times earlier in this discussion while it was under news and rumors. He's got a free pass here to get as political as he desires... excluding hate speech. Just ignore @Phil12

 

[kong1802]

Right. Reading isn’t a good thing, not if it could possibly come from something you don’t agree with.

We aren’t going to see eye to eye here. I think Rachel Maddow’s show is trash, but I watch it, because I don’t stay in a bubble, I know other people are watching it, and I want to know what they’re seeing.
Again, different strokes.

I mean do you have an opinion piece from Breitbart I could read....

Really would like to get their thoughts on the matter....

 

[Chi84]

Petition aside, do you really think Disney’s decision had nothing to do with current climate and backlash?

I think it has a lot to do with the timing of it. From what I understand, Disney was planning a re-theme for some time. The current sociopolitical climate gave them an opportunity to roll it out to some positive publicity for being inclusive. I don't think very many people were overtly offended by Splash Mountain - some, like me, didn't care much for it based on the fact that it seemed so outdated. But even though I wasn't offended by the theme, I can certainly see the reason Disney would want to distance itself from it in the current climate and embrace a more inclusive theme that current guests can more easily relate to.

 

[kong1802]

Right. Reading isn’t a good thing, not if it could possibly come from something you don’t agree with.

We aren’t going to see eye to eye here. I think Rachel Maddow’s show is trash, but I watch it, because I don’t stay in a bubble, I know other people are watching it, and I want to know what they’re seeing.
Again, different strokes.

Don't get all mad because people called out the author from your twitter headlining article as being from an illegitimate and biased source. It's ok, really it is.

But back to the thread.........

 

[Rich Brownn]

The truth is the same number of guests upset with this is the same number of guests that were upset with the Frozen ride - practically nobody. Its just us hard cores

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Then you should know what an op-ed is

I absolutely do. And I don't want to read the opinion of anyone willing to be associated with such a garbage source.

 

[kong1802]

I absolutely do. And I don't want to read the opinion of anyone willing to be associated with such a garbage source.

I mean, as soon as you know where the author edits (or co edits), the credibility is shot. Why waste time?

I do love reading people who have credibility though. Sometimes their opinions can be thought provoking.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

There’s a lot of opinion articles that I ether don’t want to read, or don’t have time to read. I just don’t usually make a huge deal as to why I wouldn’t read it, I would just scroll by.
Weird that some people are so invested in comments about an article that they won’t read. Lol oh well

Weird that someone is so invested with making sure others read a link they posted.

 

[21stamps]

The truth is the same number of guests upset with this is the same number of guests that were upset with the Frozen ride - practically nobody. Its just us hard cores

I’m more curious about who was disturbed by it in the first place. I don’t think there is going to be some huge backlash against WDW for the change, I’ll still go regardless.. I just find it so hard to believe that people were upset in the first place..as in people who actually were on the ride, or at Disney at all.

 

[LittleBuford]

It’s all the same thing. This entire movement and the people bowing to it... I don’t believe there’s a bit of sincerity there.
If there was, then wouldn’t we have heard from at least one person who was bothered by Splash in the first place? We likely won’t, because that’s not why the change is coming.

In a strange way, you're agreeing with me, because I too don't believe that a large percentage of people are bothered by the ride as it currently stands. Disney isn't changing the theme to appease "the mob" (as has repeatedly been claimed here), but for strategic reasons that are geared for the long term while also responding to the current climate.

ETA: Oh, I see @Chi84 beat me to it (and said it much better than I did).

 

[21stamps]

I think it has a lot to do with the timing of it. From what I understand, Disney was planning a re-theme for some time. The current sociopolitical climate gave them an opportunity to roll it out to some positive publicity for being inclusive. I don't think very many people were overtly offended by Splash Mountain - some, like me, didn't care much for it based on the fact that it seemed so outdated. But even though I wasn't offended by the theme, I can certainly see the reason Disney would want to distance itself from it in the current climate and embrace a more inclusive theme that current guests can more easily relate to.

Do you feel that it’s a bit disingenuous given that so much of the attractions are linked to stories that contain offensive story lines? That’s why I have so much skepticism over Disney here.

My main concerns (over the change itself) are -
“Ugh, a princess in Frontierland” “Will Tom Sawyer survive?” and “Will Zip ah Dee Doo da go away?”
The latter two can’t be answered right now.

 

[21stamps]

In a strange way, you're agreeing with me, because I too don't believe that a large percentage of people are bothered by the ride as it currently stands. Disney isn't changing the theme to appease "the mob" (as has repeatedly been claimed here), but for strategic reasons that are geared for the long term while also responding to the current climate.

ETA: Oh, I see @Chi84 beat me to it (and said it much better than I did).

I’m not agreeing though. There was a petition for it. I don’t believe the petition was the sole reason, I think a big part of it was that they wanted to put on a show, to take advantage of a due-to-climate positive press regarding the change.

What I have a hard time believing, is that any of the social media mob was actually bothered by the ride in the first place, as far as first-hand bothered, not hashtag bothered. Sounds like we do agree on that part.