Splash Mountain re-theme announced

[21stamps]

Entertainment does not exist in a vacuum.

Correct. And Disney’s biggest money maker, their princesses, are a horrible stereotypical view of women. Almost every one of them. Tiana included.
We tolerate them because we know they were from a different time.. when women were viewed differently.. BUT, we could say that they are still perpetuating stereotypes.. So, Do they stay or go?

 

[BromBones]

Again, the search function is a thing that exists.

I'm not going to search for something someone might have said. I am going to say what I want to say.

 

[BromBones]

Correct. And Disney’s biggest money maker, their princesses, are a horrible stereotypical view of women. Almost every one of them. Tiana included.
We tolerate them because we know they were from a different time.. when women were viewed differently.. BUT, we could say that they are still perpetuating stereotypes.. So, Do they stay or go?

If Disney is going to eliminate everything that offends anyone...then the princesses have to go.

 

[BromBones]

You know they have to get rid of The Carousel of Progress...because the theme is "It's a great big beautiful tomorrow".... but for who?

They say it at the end of each scene and in the 1900s, 1920s and 1940s Black Americans were still being oppressed so it is really a "great big beautiful tomorrow" for them?

That is insensitive and needs to be removed......right?

 

[SoupBone]

Correct. And Disney’s biggest money maker, their princesses, are a horrible stereotypical view of women. Almost every one of them. Tiana included.
We tolerate them because we know they were from a different time.. when women were viewed differently.. BUT, we could say that they are still perpetuating stereotypes.. So, Do they stay or go?

Oooooooo, I like where this is headed. Like I said, there is no line. Nothing is safe now that Disney opened Pandora's Box. Can't wait to see how they change the princesses.

 

[21stamps]

If Disney is going to eliminate everything that offends anyone...then the princesses have to go.

You would think.. but we’re so woke that replacing ‘African American stereotypes’ with ‘female stereotypes’ is a great victory, because the princess is black.
That’s how “progressive” we are.

 

[21stamps]

Oooooooo, I like where this is headed. Like I said, there is no line. Nothing is safe now that Disney opened Pandora's Box. Can't wait to see how they change the princesses.

There has yet to be a response to what to do with the princesses, from any of the “I understand why Splash is going/Splash needed to go” folks.

 

[BromBones]

Come to think of it...Frontier Land needs to go away because Mexican-Americans were lynched in the frontier.

Having a land that celebrates a culture that lynched Mexican-Americans ...that should be eliminated too right?

 

[Matt_Black]

Great quote, Now answer your incredibly racist answer to the question and defend your comment that Brer Fox is a racist steretype against black people because he will not get a job. What leads you to this conclusion? Why would you say that? What tells you that the character is supposed to be of the black race and choose not to get a job. Your feelings are not evidence.

I never said Br'er Fox, or any of the characters, were explicitly black. I DID say they evoke characteristics of stereotypes that have often been applied to black characters in film. Since I mentioned it before, let's draw a comparison between Br'er Fox and the goblins from Harry Potter.

The goblins are considered untrustworthy and run the banks. In and of itself, devoid of any context, this is rather innocuous. However, many have noted that goblins sound a lot like what anti-Semites have accused Jewish people of doing. Even if it wasn't intentional (and I don't believe that it was), stereotypes have an insidious way of worming their way into a person's psyche so deeply that you don't think anything of it, as I noted from my own personal experience.

 

[21stamps]

Come to think of it...Frontier Land needs to go away because Mexican-Americans were lynched in the frontier.

Having a land that celebrates a culture that lynched Mexican-Americans ...that should be eliminated too right?

The only solution is to level it all. With maybe the exception of Tomorrowland.. though CoP would have to go too.. can’t remind women of a time before they had equal rights.
HoP has to go too.. slave owners and Native American slayers.


Level it all. From CoP on... leave a corner of Tomorrowland. That’s what would be left afterwards.

 

[BromBones]

The only solution is to level it all. With maybe the exception of Tomorrowland.. though CoP would have to go too.. can’t remind women of a time before they had equal rights.
HoP has to go too.. slave owners and Native American slayers.


Level it all. From CoP on... leave a corner of Tomorrowland. That’s what would be left afterwards.

Correct. Read my post above about Carousel of Progress. "It's a great big beautiful tomorrow" in the 1900s, 20s and 40s....for who? Blacks were still being oppressed during those times right? It wasn't a great big beautiful tomorrow for them.

 

[Matt_Black]

One problem with this display, It’s not at all what was being discussed. However, it’s more convenient to pretend that Astro Orbiter was the discussion, and not actually other stories that we all know have problems with their origins.
Much easier to pretend they aren’t there.

Someone who gets it!! This is where I’m leading.. IF all Classic Disney is taken out of Disney World/Disneyland.. leaving all attractions with film and character representations from the last decade alone.. then will Disney really be the “Disney” that everyone wants to visit?
Without the nostalgia, then it’s just a park, no longer that bond between generations.. which is what makes it so magical.

The only solution is to level it all. With maybe the exception of Tomorrowland.. though CoP would have to go too.. can’t remind women of a time before they had equal rights.
HoP has to go too.. slave owners and Native American slayers.


Level it all. From CoP on... leave a corner of Tomorrowland. That’s what would be left afterwards.

 

[21stamps]

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Do you have any input on how we decide what is and isn’t acceptable representations based on past injustices?

 

[Smooth]

Here is a preview of all of the upcoming Disney films. Guaranteed not to offend anybody.

 

[21stamps]

Here is a preview of all of the upcoming Disney films. Guaranteed not to offend anybody.

WDW and Disneyland should just call in Philippe Starck to completely build and decorate new parks.

 

[celluloid]

Here is a preview of all of the upcoming Disney films. Guaranteed not to offend anybody.

Should have been a black screen and other colors for at least an equal amount of time.

 

[Smooth]

 

[celluloid]

Wow, that was a very typical depiction of what white and black imagery is. You may not even realize the way this racism pervades our Subconscience bias, but I fully understand the intent of the person who produced that video must have been to showcase the inferiority of white videos.

 

[Chi84]

If Disney is going to eliminate everything that offends anyone...then the princesses have to go.

Actually they don’t. Disney doesn’t have to give reasons or be consistent. They can pick and choose what to keep and what to change without worrying about eliminating everything that offends anyone. They can do a little bit of good without having to eliminate everything that’s bad. That’s one of the benefits of owning a company - you can set policy and make decisions.

 

[celluloid]

Actually they don’t. Disney doesn’t have to give reasons or be consistent. They can pick and choose what to keep and what to change without worrying about eliminating everything that offends anyone. They can do a little bit of good without having to eliminate everything that’s bad. That’s one of the benefits of owning a company - you can set policy and make decisions.

True.
Or change something for revenue and avoid the fandom backlash with an Ace In The Hole reason and brag about how this is you moving forward as a company while demonizing something you were proud of until four days ago in the parks. Or as I call it, pulling a Ghostbusters 2016. If you anything less than love it, you are sexist.
If you don't care for this news and dislike the change, you are on the wrong side of history.