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Splash Mountain re-theme announced
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Dizknee_Phreek
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What about Casey Jr Circus area? Circuses are known for animal cruelty. Chalk that one up for offensive material.
In terms of re-theming SM, I had a thought of another possible tie in. What about Lone Ranger? It would totally fit in with Frontierland. Honestly, haven't seen the movie so no idea if there's anything in it that could be deemed racist or offensive.
In terms of re-theming SM, I had a thought of another possible tie in. What about Lone Ranger? It would totally fit in with Frontierland. Honestly, haven't seen the movie so no idea if there's anything in it that could be deemed racist or offensive.
manmythlegend
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If they shut down Radiator Racer Springs, may as well as close the doors on California Adventure. That would be the ultimate test if Disney values wokeness over money.
manmythlegend
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Lone Ranger = Johnny Depp = No Go Zone
I hope you realize my extreme points are showcasing cherry picking going on and anything can be offensive because it is a personal thing when there is no intent to offend and arguments for it can be made easily for infinite regression.
With DCA thoughThey may as well anyway, billions more in and that park still can't turn a healthy profit or figure out what it's message or themes are.
Dizknee_Phreek
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Yet he's still featured in PotC.
21stamps
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I agree. I wouldn’t bat an eye over Disney adding a Tiana attraction to Fantasyland. I find it absolutely crazy that they decided not only is Splash racist, but the only way to properly replace it is to slap a black princess on said ride.. in Frontierland.
I would have an issue with current princess going on that ride.. I love the neutrality of that area of the park.
I have long since accepted Disney’s stereotypical portrayal of women.. The rub with Princess and the Frog was that they set it up as a “we’re finally acknowledging that women can be independent”, only to then have her give up all of her ambitions to become a frog.
Finally with Elsa they got it almost right, and then Moana was perfect, imo.It took many decades for Disney to get there, but they finally did.
All of that said, I don’t begrudge Disney their former stereotypes.. most of them were a product of their time (even though they should have known better by the time of Ariel and Tiana). I understand the long road though, which is why I don’t call for their demise. Same with CoP. I love that attraction, even while it makes my stomach churn a bit while watching it.. It’s a weird feeling, but I love it because the song is great, and the attraction reminds me that progress has been made.
Musical Mermaid
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Well, other than American legends, what about Zorro? We could go from one type of fox to another. Eh, who am I kidding? Zorro isn’t a princess.
manmythlegend
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Yet he's still featured in PotC.
They just haven't gotten around to it yet. Disney just cut him from the Pirates franchise so highly unlikely they will build any attractions in which he had a huge influence.
manmythlegend
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I realize that but what I'm saying is with the way Disney is headed, would any of this really be a surprise? Once the woke crowd starts complaining about something, Disney seems pretty eager to appease them.
SilentWindODoom
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Yeah! A real black princess would probably face racism and economical inequality while watching her white contemporaries luxuriate in privilege. She would suffer for her dreams, leading her to get into a mindset of focus on work and forgoing recreation, camaraderie, and even love.
Unfortunately, Princess and the Frog lacked any such depth and Tiana just turned into a frog.
The reasoning isn't "Let's throw a Black girl on it to prove we're woke." Splash Mountain takes place in the American South and features a cast of singing animals. Princess and the Frog takes place in the American South and a huge chunk of the cast is, for at least a portion of the film, animals. Double whammy for it taking place in New Orleans given the Disneyland placement. The fact of the matter is that the Magic Kingdom placement of Splash Mountain has NEVER made sense and threw off the initial theming thread of going old-moden and East-West from the Mansion to Pecos Bill's. I think that Tiana being black is gravy in their minds because even if she was white the property would have been the switch that made the most sense.
21stamps
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I can’t share your sentiments here, as I don’t have such a low opinion of black people, sorry.
Musical Mermaid
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They expanded Fantasyland in the last decade. They could have incorporated Tiana with the other princesses. And you know, they did add 3 of my favorite princesses, but I’m not impressed. Beauty and the Beast got a ton of stuff, but does it appeal to everyone? I don’t care about Gaston’s Tavern, I haven’t been able to eat at the Beast’s castle, because he charges so much more than Pecos Bill (Bill even lets me have extra cheese, lettuce, and tomato), and the Belle experience is mostly for little kids. I’d much rather have the ride Tokyo is getting than all of that. Little Mermaid got a better building exterior than ride interior, and Rapunzel, she got restrooms. How exciting. Snow White vacated her spot, but she really didn’t have to. They could have added a Princess and the Frog ride either in Snow White’s old spot or the spot where the coaster went, but nah, it was so much cheaper to make a huge princess meet and greet of the old spot. No, Tiana wasn’t important at that time, only now that people are raising a fuss about an unrelated movie is she important to them.I agree. I wouldn’t bat an eye over Disney adding a Tiana attraction to Fantasyland. I find it absolutely crazy that they decided not only is Splash racist, but the only way to properly replace it is to slap a black princess on said ride.. in Frontierland.
I would have an issue with current princess going on that ride.. I love the neutrality of that area of the park.
I have long since accepted Disney’s stereotypical portrayal of women.. The rub with Princess and the Frog was that they set it up as a “we’re finally acknowledging that women can be independent”, only to then have her give up all of her ambitions to become a frog.
It took many decades for Disney to get there, but they finally did.
All of that said, I don’t begrudge Disney their former stereotypes.. most of them were a product of their time (even though they should have known better by the time of Ariel and Tiana). I understand the long road though, which is why I don’t call for their demise. Same with CoP. I love that attraction, even while it makes my stomach churn a bit while watching it.. It’s a weird feeling, but I love it because the song is great, and the attraction reminds me that progress has been made.
Dizknee_Phreek
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But didn't they cut ties with him based on now proven false allegations?
manmythlegend
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Guess I'm odd because I found Splash Mountain to be perfectly placed!
manmythlegend
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Are the allegations proven false for sure? And has Disney said anything about it? I haven't been following it that closely but if that were true, it would seem quite odd that they would cut Johnny Depp out of future Pirates movies. Starting a completely new franchise with Margot Robbie as the lead doesn't make much sense when people associate the movies with Johnny Depp and probably always will. The guy is only 57, not like he's Harrison Ford's age.
Dizknee_Phreek
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My thoughts exactly. That old Snow White attraction spot was prime real estate for a new PatF attraction. Then they could have had an attraction representing African American folklore AND an attraction representing their first African American princess. And, bonus, little girls could have actually ridden the dark ride in Fantasyland.
They would wait till they lose money and want to gain it before they become that "woke" people need to realize this move was not done because of some loose insensitivity to splash, but rather a marketable way to pay themselves on the back and tell activists how great they are while it is really to pull a Frozen Maelstrom move on a larger scale.
Tron is not going to help MK revenue by itself and over and execs know it and this is of good value since Infastructure remains same.
Musical Mermaid
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I have a genuine question. Other than the ties to the film, which says it’s in Georgia, does Magic Kingdom’s Splash Mountain seem like it could take place in the American frontier? I thought I read that they changed the music style, colors, etc for it to fit at MK and if they went through lengths to change the setting for the ride, then the film setting shouldn’t matter.
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