Splash Mountain re-theme announced

[Matt_Black]

No. You can disagree with me. I am not even triyng to change your mind. I just would like you to provide some evidence on how you see those hurtful things in the ride. You can't expect your feelings like that to not sound racist or hateful in themselves, because they are pretty demonizing acusations and without any evidence of merit provided on why you would think this way, they are just feelings. It is ok to have feelings, but expect critique to provide reasons why.

Racism is not a default for when there is no evidence of anything provided.

Again, I don't what would be acceptable to you. I've tried pointing out contrasting examples, I've brought up personal experiences, and that's failed. So, you have yourself a magical day.

 

[thomas998]

When will the mob come for Universal Studios?
Any guesses?

At the moment Universal seems to have made a deal with the devil to avoid any stink, otherwise we would have picketing of the Jimmy Fallon ride since the past blackface episodes of Fallon popped up again, and of course all of Harry Potter is tainted by the author daring to state that a transgender is not a real woman...Uni is probably just sitting on the side line hoping their number doesn't show up on the woke target board.

 

[21stamps]

Jimmy Falon has already been under fire for an impression of Chris Rock where the SNL make up department put him in dark make up. It was an impression, but some media outlets just started calling it Blackface as if it was a minstriel negative stereotype intentionr rather than an impression of Chris Rock. That made some waves but simmered quickly. Jamie Foxx said it was wrong to call it Blackface since it was an impression of someone who has to be black, the same way someone who is impersonating someone old would have the make up department change their apperance including skin.

Wonder why that one simmered so quickly...


I was talking about Fallon and the Harry Potter attractions.

 

[celluloid]

Wonder why that one simmered so quickly...


I was talking about Fallon and the Harry Potter attractions.

Because the company and others in the industry actually defended the logic and there was common sense and evidence and that helped shut the extremists down pretty quick, even if they disagree. That being said I would not mind Fallon's attraction already getting the boot. I don't find it that great and it seems he has already caused a lot of trouble for the minor attraction of synergy.

Again, I don't what would be acceptable to you. I've tried pointing out contrasting examples, I've brought up personal experiences, and that's failed. So, you have yourself a magical day.

I can't help you there. I can't understand your point until you make one for your accusations.

 

[21stamps]

Because the company and others in the industry actually defended the logic and there was common sense and evidence.

Oh, don’t get me wrong.. I don’t think he should be “cancelled”, I just think who gets cancelled is highly tied to their political party, not logic.

 

[Matt_Black]

Oh, don’t get me wrong.. I don’t think he should be “cancelled”, I just think who gets cancelled is highly tied to their political party, not logic.

Every now and then, I'll see the "Well, if you 'cancel' _____ for this, then you should cancel Bill Maher", and the response from many on the Left is often, "Yeah, that's fair. Go ahead."

No, seriously, Bill Maher sucks. He was in the film Tomcats, and he managed to be the worst thing in a film that also featured Jerry O'Connell trying to rescue Jake Busey's surgically removed testicle.

 

[thomas998]

Jimmy Falon has already been under fire for an impression of Chris Rock where the SNL make up department put him in dark make up. It was an impression, but some media outlets just started calling it Blackface as if it was a minstriel negative stereotype intentionr rather than an impression of Chris Rock. That made some waves but simmered quickly. Jamie Foxx said it was wrong to call it Blackface since it was an impression of someone who has to be black, the same way someone who is impersonating someone old would have the make up department change their apperance including skin.

And that is quite frankly a pathetic cop out. Now the woke police are going to try and determine what was in the mind of the person wearing blackface.... Using this theory then every white frat boy in America that has been ostracized for wearing what the university considered blackface need only say, "No, I was impersonating Chris Rock" and then magically it is A-okay. Al this is going to do is result in those same frat houses that had their racist blackface parties changing the name to Chris Rock impersonation parties... the underlying meaning will remain the same but the woke warriors will have to accept it as fine and dandy since it is apparently okay to do blackface if its really to imitate Chris Rock. Amazing what the woke side will do to try and justify ignoring the balanced application of what they claim is never alright. I've also always wondered how Robert Downey Jr. managed to get away with blackface when he was in Tropic Thunder.

 

[orlandogal22]

Every now and then, I'll see the "Well, if you 'cancel' _____ for this, then you should cancel Bill Maher", and the response from many on the Left is often, "Yeah, that's fair. Go ahead."

No, seriously, Bill Maher sucks. He was in the film Tomcats, and he managed to be the worst thing in a film that also featured Jerry O'Connell trying to rescue Jake Busey's surgically removed testicle.

Why do you suppose Megyn Kelly was cancelled for simply asking a question about blackface, when Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel, Sarah Silverman, etc. plus Justin Trudeau and the governor of Virginia are just fine with having worn blackface? An apology will do! Carry on! Nothing to see here, folks!

I think you know the answer.

 

[celluloid]

And that is quite frankly a pathetic cop out. Now the woke police are going to try and determine what was in the mind of the person wearing blackface.... Using this theory then every white frat boy in America that has been ostracized for wearing what the university considered blackface need only say, "No, I was impersonating Chris Rock" and then magically it is A-okay. Al this is going to do is result in those same frat houses that had their racist blackface parties changing the name to Chris Rock impersonation parties... the underlying meaning will remain the same but the woke warriors will have to accept it as fine and dandy since it is apparently okay to do blackface if its really to imitate Chris Rock. Amazing what the woke side will do to try and justify ignoring the balanced application of what they claim is never alright. I've also always wondered how Robert Downey Jr. managed to get away with blackface when he was in Tropic Thunder.

Personally I don't mind changing color of make up for matching someone there is an impersonation of on a sketch show or enteratinment medium(theme parks do this daily when they have to. They cake that make up on most girls to make them look clean and light in some cases and darker in others)but I agree about the picking and choosing is wrong. The problem is the definition of blackface is based on the intent of making fun of someone and stereotyping BECAUSE of the color of their skin, not their perosnality. The same way I don't think In Living Color cast in the 90s was doing white face.

To the picking and choosing on this topic:
specifically to this case Why Splash Mountain has to go because people are trying to inference things, but Randy Newman still sings a couple of his songs with the N Word in it, but his music is what is going to carry this new attraction in Splash Mountain's place?

 

[kong1802]

Why do you suppose Megyn Kelly was cancelled for simply asking a question about blackface, when Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel, Sarah Silverman, etc. plus Justin Trudeau and the governor of Virginia are just fine with having worn blackface? An apology will do! Carry on! Nothing to see here, folks!

I think you know the answer.

I think timing is everything here.....

Not saying it's fair, but there's more leeway for what people have done in the past vs what someone has done in 2019....

 

[Matt_Black]

Or specifically to this caseWhy Splash Mountain has to go because people are trying to inference things, but Randy Newman still sings a couple of his songs with the N Word in it, but his music is what is going to carry this new attraction in Splash Mountain's place?

Calling Randy Newman racist for using the N-Word in the song "Rednecks" is a bit like calling Blazing Saddles racist for using the N-Word. (Not that I think they should be putting Blazing Saddles on Disney + any time soon).

 

[orlandogal22]

I think timing is everything here.....

Not saying it's fair, but there's more leeway for what people have done in the past vs what someone has done in 2019....

Question vs. Action

Seems posing a question on a talk show - regardless of year - should be exempt from cancellation.

But, indeed, we all know why she was axed and the others aren't. Left vs. Right.

 

[Matt_Black]

I think timing is everything here.....

Not saying it's fair, but there's more leeway for what people have done in the past vs what someone has done in 2019....

Especially if they have apologized and then demonstrated some level of personal growth.

 

[celluloid]

Calling Randy Newman racist for using the N-Word in the song "Rednecks" is a bit like calling Blazing Saddles racist for using the N-Word. (Not that I think they should be putting Blazing Saddles on Disney + any time soon).

Exactly. I am not calling Randy Newman Racist. I am pointing out the inconsistency
that is glarlingly obvious. Don't forget Christmas in Capetown. There are multiple racial slurs in that song. If someone is going to not cancel culture that and label it insensitive but Splash Mountain, they really are picking and choosing in some random ways to display hate and you would think if the company is willing to stray away from the Splash Mountain story, they would be straying from that too.

 

[orlandogal22]

Especially if they have apologized and then demonstrated some level of personal growth.

What personal growth?

Furthermore, again, a question vs. an action?

I'm not an MK fan...but the hypocrisy is rich.

 

[kong1802]

Question vs. Action

Seems posing a question on a talk show - regardless of year - should be exempt from cancellation.

But, indeed, we all know why she was axed and the others aren't. Left vs. Right.

Perhaps....but, and again not fair, it also could have been because they were just waiting for an excuse. I think I recall her ratings were awful. Not sure if it was just the fact that she didn't know why it was bad was the real reason or not.

I do need to brush up on her case, though, tbh.

I don't agree with the question aspect. If you were to ask me right now why blackface was bad, I don't think I would think that highly of the question, to put it mildly.....People should know. People do know....

 

[Matt_Black]

What personal growth?

That's between them and their physician.

 

[aw14]

What personal growth?

Furthermore, again, a question vs. an action?

I'm not an MK fan...but the hypocrisy is rich.

Was Kelly offered the opportunity to display "persona growth"?

 

[orlandogal22]

That's between them and their physician.

Right. So why use that as your "defense" of those who wore blackface? Comedy or otherwise?

I'm sure none of us on here wore blackface in our lives, yet if there's a D next to someone's name in entertainment or politics, it's OK...because...well, "personal growth" but if there's an R next to their name, then damn them to Hades?

And folks wonder why people fight the "woke" mob. Because their cherrypicking of who to be offended by and who to "cancel" is complete hypocrisy.

 

[Matt_Black]

I'm sure none of us on here wore blackface in our lives, yet if there's a D next to someone's name in entertainment or politics, it's OK...because...well, "personal growth" but if there's an R next to their name, then damn them to Hades?
.

I'm sorry, I missed where the Prime Minister of Canada was a Democrat or Republican.