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[21stamps]

You know, I thought this thread would make me bummed at the hate in the world and have the same hate that social.medua can amplify, but I have to say, it is refreshing to see so many look at this realistically and some discovering that the movie never should have been so retracted(and never hated to this level until recently)
It sure is nice to see that least come out of this.
It's the truth, it's actual.

Here’s my “on this day” FB post from 5 years ago..
I had hoped we’d be better off by now, but I read it, think about what’s going on, and realize that we aren’t much better off, if at all...though there are still some rational people left.

 

[Incomudro]

You know, I thought this thread would make me bummed at the hate in the world and have the same hate that social.medua can amplify, but I have to say, it is refreshing to see so many look at this realistically and some discovering that the movie never should have been so retracted(and never hated to this level until recently)
It sure is nice to see that least come out of this.
It's the truth, it's actual.

It's satisfactual!

 

[LittleBuford]

What should they have done? Show the horrors of it? Or avoid any fables all together, leaving black actors out?

Other options were explored, as laid out in this fascinating discussion (which was written over a decade ago and isn’t a hit piece):

Song of the South That Never Was

www.mouseplanet.com

 

[Chi84]

Children don't know racism. It's their racist parents who teach them to see race first.

If the child happens to be a minority, sometimes it's someone else's racist parents who teach them.

 

[Matt_Black]

When people say things like this...
Where there not people like her at the time the movie depicts?
It may not be flattering, but people like that existed.

There also existed African-American inventors, entrepreneurs, law makers, cowboys, etc. They tend to show up less in the movies of the time. Funny, that.

No straw man at all. Look at what you said and insinuated was a fault of the animated sequences of SotS...

Me: We should take steps to recognize the ways in which biases, prejudices, and stereotypes can unconsciously influence creative works.
You: Does that me we should remove everything?
Me: ...

 

[aw14]

The romanticisation of plantation life doesn’t strike you as problematic?

no more so than how "its a wonderful life" portrays the happiness of the Jews during the era of the holocaust.

 

[celluloid]

WOAH...Did somebody actually write those comments about Brer Fox and Brer Bear?

Who was it?

Matt Black, post 4, 488 on page 226. He also said that Bear Fox was a negative stereotype of African Americans because he sees that Brer Fox refuses to get a job, and hunts Brer Fox instead of buying dinner. Nevermind the fact that he was wrong from the get go calling Brer Rabbit in the ride lazy because all he wants to do is lay around. That is literally against what the storytelling is. The ride is Ber Rabbit being bored and wanting an adventure. That is what gets him to realize, sometimes a day at home is ok to relax, as he can't be still "time to be movin' along"
Seriously. That was Matt Blacks argument in that post. He then tried to defend that thought by saying there are clothing, therefore there must be an ecnomomy and Brer Fox clearly has the negative stereotype of avoiding a job. That was his defense when it pointed out that there is no storytelling or dialogue in the ride to support that, and that was his predjudice projected onto that character

 

[Matt_Black]

no more so than how "its a wonderful life" portrays the happiness of the Jews during the era of the holocaust.

Did It's A Wonderful Life take place in Germany?

 

[21stamps]

Other options were explored, as laid out in this fascinating discussion (which was written over a decade ago and isn’t a hit piece):

Song of the South That Never Was

www.mouseplanet.com

I can’t read it right now. I was just asking for an opinion.

 

[aw14]

Did It's A Wonderful Life take place in Germany?

your point?

eta: I meant Life is Beautiful

 

[Matt_Black]

Matt Black, post 4, 488 on page 226. He also said that Bear Fox was a negative stereotype of African Americans

Again, I did not say that. I said it was evocative of stereotypes, in the same way that the goblins from Harry Potter are evocative of stereotypes of Jewish people. Again, I don't think in either case this was deliberate, but it shows how racial bias can seep into everyday life.

 

[LittleBuford]

no more so than how "its a wonderful life" portrays the happiness of the Jews during the era of the holocaust.

I assume you mean Life is Beautiful. I haven’t seen it, but if there are indeed issues with its handling of the subject, I don’t see how that undermines my point.

 

[aw14]

I assume you mean Life is Beautiful. I haven’t seen it, but if there are indeed issues in its handling of the subject, I don’t see how that undermines my point.

that was what I meant- sorry

Yes there were issues, of which the academy awards ignored.

The family members that were in the camp were happy/laughing, etc..there was context that goes into that as well.

 

[celluloid]

Again, I did not say that. I said it was evocative of stereotypes, in the same way that the goblins from Harry Potter are evocative of stereotypes of Jewish people. Again, I don't think in either case this was deliberate, but it shows how racial bias can seep into everyday life.

Your post is quoted and referenced there. Those are human traits into art, not racial. If you put a specific race or group of people over the character who is the only Fox in that world we know of for that matter, that is incredibly racist. You said it, Let me put it this way for you, you more than evoked it. You can't even defend the fact that you straight up are opposite in your view of the storyelling of Ber Rabbit's journey. He is bored and can't be still. That is his flaw, not being lazy. How is that even matching your words and your arugment of Brer Rabbit evokes the idea of the negative stereotype that African Americans are lazy?

Just because the bias of the audience slips it in there(in this case, you) does not mean the creators or the other audience members should feel guilty or obliged to agree.

 

[21stamps]

If the child happens to be a minority, sometimes it's someone else's racist parents who teach them.

I was thinking about one of my son’s classmates today. The one (half) African American kid in the grade.. 1 of 2 at the school, the other being his older brother.

I am so glad that school is out during all of this. I feel terrible for black children right now, this must be all so confusing for them.. and I pray that all parents of all colors are being smart in their explanations. How do you explain a “Black Lives Matter” mural when a young kid asks? The riots, the statue destruction?

How would a black skinned child feel in a classroom right now, knowing that all of his friends and teammates are white, but seeing or hearing about how white people are so bad?

 

[LittleBuford]

I can’t read it right now. I was just asking for an opinion.

Do tag me after you’ve had a chance to read it.

 

[LittleBuford]

that was what I meant- sorry

Yes there were issues, of which the academy awards ignored.

The family members that were in the camp were happy/laughing, etc..there was context that goes into that as well.

As I said, I don’t see how this undermines my point about Song of the South. Many films, old and new, have issues.

 

[aw14]

As I said, I don’t see how this undermines my point about Song of the South. Many films, old and new, have issues.

my point being- people aren't out protesting Life is Beautiful, nor should they. Hell, SotS hasn't been available in decades, people are likely no longer out protesting it, just a ride that draws no connection to it in its current form

 

[21stamps]

my point being- people aren't out protesting Life is Beautiful, nor should they. Hell, SotS hasn't been available in decades, people are likely no longer out protesting it, just a ride that draws no connection to it in its current form

Do you think the Merchant of Venice should be banned from schools?

 

[LittleBuford]

my point being- people aren't out protesting Life is Beautiful, nor should they. Hell, SotS hasn't been available in decades, people are likely no longer out protesting it, just a ride that draws no connection to it in its current form

If a family theme park created an attraction with characters derived from Life is Beautiful, I imagine that too could cause issues somewhere down the line.