21stamps
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So you’re saying “YES, and everyone went along with it.”
It’s beyond ridiculous at this point.
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So you’re saying “YES, and everyone went along with it.”
It’s beyond ridiculous at this point.
orlandogal22
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I got what 21stamps was saying. I didn't get what the reason for those two songs you posted was.
They're both black doo wop groups.
They released both songs within months of each other.
The first released song (Get a Job) was better; it had more staying power and got more airplay
Berry released Got a Job w/ the Miracles. The song wasn't as good (and ripped of the first one, if we're being honest). But they ended up being the bigger group, and obviously Smokey as the breakout star.
So what? I don't get the connection to as a rebuttal to 21stamps or the overarching point.
orlandogal22
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Phil12
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Motown
orlandogal22
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It isn't obvious at all. Do you honestly think at a time when the word c**n was considered to be a derogatory reference to a black person, that the two musical writers for a movie which was already being mired in controversy would do something so stupid? The simple fact is there is no real evidence that the song was influenced by the other. The only supposed evidence that it was even influenced by the earlier song is some claim on wikipedia which as anyone knows is not very reliable source. Go find a note by Ray Gilbert where he states that and you'll be able to make that claim legitimately otherwise you're just spreading gossip.
Phil12
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My mistake. I stand corrected.Not to be *that* person, but he spells his name Berry.
21stamps
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It’s nonsensical.
Literally Motown was first made so successful by black people, hence the place on the R&B charts.. then many artists became wildly popular with all people, regardless of color. HOWEVER, we’re not only supposed to believe that Disney was racist, but so were black artists and the first black media mogul.. as well as millions of black Americans who bought the record.
None of them were smart enough to see the racism, but it was there.. we found it decades later.
orlandogal22
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It’s nonsensical.
Literally Motown was first made so successful by black people, hence the place on the R&B charts.. then many artists became wildly popular with all people, regardless of color. HOWEVER, we’re not only supposed to believe that Disney was racist, but so were black artists and the first black media mogul.. as well as millions of black Americans who bought the record.
None of them were smart enough to see the racism, but it was there.. we found it decades later.
OK, I understand that!
But, I'm honestly trying to - in good faith - understand Phil's point...and I think I need more coffee.
21stamps
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OK, I understand that!
But, I'm honestly trying to - in good faith - understand Phil's point...and I think I need more coffee.
I think he’s saying that they knew it was racist, and didn’t care. Lol
Historical background behind "Zip A Dee Doo Dah" - Behind the Music
This seemingly nonsense song has a lot of baggage packed into its brief stanzas. Disney won an Oscar for it but never made much money from the film.www.behind-the-music.com
This song was performed by a white man in blackface. The objective was to ridicule and draw attention to the inferiority of the black race while simultaneously championing the superiority of the white race:
Do you even bother to read what you throw up there Woke Warrior? A direct quote from your supposed smoking gun on whether the Zip-a-dee-doo-dah was inspired by the early song was:
"Did the composer and lyricist of the Disney song know about the earlier version? Who knows?"
So you've managed to produce zero evidence with nothing more than a long article that mentions both songs and has no evidence of one being inspired by the other. Congratulations... What will you do for an encore?
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Brer Panther
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I suppose I should mention that Brer Fox is voiced in the ride by an African-American, J.D. Hall. In addition, they're ANIMALS. They technically don't have a race. But I do see your point.
Maybe they didn't want him to sound as "stereotypically black" as he kind of does in the movie? I don't think the voice is enough to call him a black stereotype, but it's possible. I've noticed that Nick Stewart's performance as Brer Bear in the Disneyland version is less "stereotypically black" than it is in the movie, for what it's worth.
Phil12
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Phil12
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Well I'm satisfied with the decision made by TWDC for the re-theme.
Kate F
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Good for you
Brer Oswald
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What I’m offering is that they should’ve changed it to a non stereotypical voice, as that’s really the only thing plaguing the ride right now.
You know, aside from “guilty by association”, which is a faulty reasoning that would apply to several things the cancel mob likes and wouldn’t want to see be cancelled.
orlandogal22
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I vaguely get that...but yet, I don't. At least not the two examples of "Get / Got a Job." The latter got peanuts for money bc it was awful.
Uh, oh... didn't you see the last news release from Disney? They are going to go back and make sure that the voice actors of all animated character are done by the racially correct voice actor. I'm not sure if they have released a list of which animals are going to be considered blacks and which will be considered whites, Hispanics or Asians... I suspect this is going to end up causing even more controversy as some people are going to end up offended if an animal they don't like gets anointed as black or white or whatever race they happen to feel it slights. I mean are snakes which are generally villains going to be white? Black? Hispanic? or what... and won't that be offensive to whatever race Disney decides is most snake like? And then just imagine they will be doing it for every animal... Because in the end they certainly can't say that animal with stereotypical features resembling those of one particular race is that race because that would be racist... The decisions they are making boggle the mind.
Brer Oswald
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Can we get a list of things that could be considered offensive at the parks?
I currently have
I currently have
- Jungle Cruise
- Native Village (Railroad)
- Country Bears
- Peter Pan
- Dumbo Circus tents
- Hall of Presidents
- Haunted Mansion suicide joke
- American Adventure
- Chris Pratt starring in a Major E Ticket
- Zootopia in Shanghai
Phil12
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There are lots of Uncle Tom's.It’s nonsensical.
Literally Motown was first made so successful by black people, hence the place on the R&B charts.. then many artists became wildly popular with all people, regardless of color. HOWEVER, we’re not only supposed to believe that Disney was racist, but so were black artists and the first black media mogul.. as well as millions of black Americans who bought the record.
None of them were smart enough to see the racism, but it was there.. we found it decades later.
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