Spirited Thoughts, News, Observations etc.

OK, hide the women and the children ... most importantly send the fanbois to bed with their plush and tell them to hide under the covers ... waaaay down under them because it's time for some Spirited thoughts, observations, news and anecdotes from a long weekend at The World Maintenance Forgot, yes WDW.

Where to start? With a conclusion? Or should I just work on down?

Should I start with the good ... things like seeing friends, having great weather, appreciating some things that the fan community tends to ignore and seeing EPCOT in its best colors?

Or ... do I focus on everything else? Because all going to WDW did for me this weekend was exceed my already amazingly low expectations for the state of WDW infrastructure and show quality (hey, they did exceed expectations, right?) and get me more excited for my future visits to DLP, possibly BGW, DL ... and, hopefully in the not too distant future, the Asian resorts again too.

Let's start with the basics. Freshness. If you had visited WDW in 2006 and hadn't returned in six years, you would find no appreciable new product in three of four parks.

You would find show quality that already had issues showing more issues than the typical fanboi in therapy. Well, that's if you can actually get to the MK because the crumbling monorail system has to be shut down all day from 11:30 a.m to 6 p.m. to do track work in the midst of one of the busiest times of the year ... imagine paying $500-700 a night for a room at the GF or Poly with monorail convenience touted (wonder what guest recovery they are doing there!) ... but let's assume you find your way there.

Let's start with the stuff the fan community is all lathered up for, namely the Storybook Circus mini-land expansion of Fantasyland. What did I think of it?

Not very much at all.

As usual, the hype was much greater than the product, which can't be viewed in a vacuum in a park that is crumbling and has no wow factor at all anymore.

In the day, Dumbo's primary colors and the red painted construction fences all around come off as garish ... befitting a circus, no doubt ... but Old Man Disney was no more a fan of circuses than he was of amusement parks and piers and the shady elements that all attracted. So, we have a new spinner that is prettier than the last. And it spins high enough to peek over construction walls and we all know how much that has become en vogue in O-Town of late.

It is a beautiful kinetic piece at night when the lighting is largely coming from the white and red bulbs that rim the queue (likely more of a makeshift deal now until the old Dumbo starts spinning across the way) and the LEDs embedded in the fountains underneath. But it is still Dumbo.

Sort of like the Barnstormer is still the Barnstormer, just missing much in the way of theming. Its prior incarnation had some whimsy, this doesn't. But they weren't getting rid of the only kiddie coaster in the park, so this was a cheap fix. Oh, and thanks to Bob Iger working with a chainsaw, you can now watch Disney buses and CMs driving to/fro work behind the MK as you walk up the queue if you peer left. I will never get what Phil and TDO have against trees, but they certainly do.

Nothing else is open beyond a much nicer train station that is still a train station ... and a set of new restrooms (someone needs to page Talking Head to this thread stat!) What I found amazing is that Disney was too cheap to actually connect these facilities to the park's main water supply, so they are using water from the immediate area that is untreated (or perhaps non-filtered/cleansed is more appropriate) so you have bizarre signs saying the water is 'non potable' (that means you can't drink it for those with limited vocabularies) over toilets. I know Disney's prices are crazy for a Coke, but over the toilet?!? ... Of course, the reason is they have colored the water blue because otherwise it would be a very icky color and folks would constantly be complaining that something isn't right.

Are the details nice? Sure. But they are very basic. I was much more excited by leaf patterns in the walkways around Old Man Island at Dixie Landings 20 years ago than I am by various hoof prints and 'peanuts' embedded in this area.

So much of this area also suffers from having both exposed coaster track (Disney fanbois seem to have issues with this at UNI) and show buildings just sticking out like a Duffy alone on a shelf full of Minnies.

If this is what Disney believes will raise the bar in O-Town ... well, no ... they don't. They understand what they have built and why. This is about capacity ... and NEXT GEN ... and keeping folks from being bored out of their minds by offering something 'new'.

It's in 'soft opening' now, but let's be blunt: they had to get this open and open now. They have so little capacity in this park due to 15 years of taking away and not adding. MK just isn't a very pleasant place right now at all with crowds and walls and lots of attractions that have seen far better days.

Again, it also seems that Ops and WDI simply can't get on the same page no matter what ... Dumbo opens with small plants where every little kid (and plenty of big ones) are going to stand, so the result is the foliage that was there Monday was trampled and mostly dead or dying by Friday. How they miss these basics is beyond me, although I think communication and common sense are both lacking.

Now, what else was 'new' (to me) at MK? Spin the Fanboi? Pin the Tail on Meg? Dole Whip tees (I mean, REALLY?!?!) ... or how about the latest way to hook OCD fanbois and why it is so important to NEXT GEN.

I'll see you all a little later ... like in the next post!
 

Pitchforkman

New Member
Stop being negative and calling Splash a shell of what it used to be. On my last trip, I completely enjoyed my ride on Splash. I didn't have one complaint at all about anything with it. You are wrong for saying that. Stop begin so childish.


See, we can do it too.

Except that was nothing like what i was doing.
 

Pitchforkman

New Member
You are here 5 days, 93 posts, all attacking the negative (actually reality of the state of WDW)... I've respected your posts so far but there is something awfully fishy:

1. Paid member of Disney's social media stooges who are set out to shout down the TRUTHS about the slipping of WDW

2. A former member who was here to basically bait and flame.... (I'm holding judgment on that one still)

3. Not the age you claim to be and more like a kid out fo high school on spring break with no business sense...

I'm leaning toward the first option...


No business sense? I just cant wrap my mind around how you made that logical leap. I mean i guess in your mind a company making profits should change everything and screw over their audience to please a very small subset of people and thus lose their profits.
 

Pitchforkman

New Member
Stop being negative and calling Splash a shell of what it used to be. On my last trip, I completely enjoyed my ride on Splash. I didn't have one complaint at all about anything with it. You are wrong for saying that. Stop begin so childish.


See, we can do it too.

Difference between me and you is that you hyperbole to make complaints while i state my opinion and never state it as fact.

So honest question.

Why is it okay for '74 to bash Disney about EVERYTHING, but wrong for people to say that they enjoy WDW? Is it because you agree with him and in your mind that is a fact instead of an opinion? That would make sense.
 

Pitchforkman

New Member
Pretty close. You are ignoring what Spirit said that was positive and focusing on the negative while throwing in a few insults. My post might have utilized a bit of hyperbole, but it still demonstrates the point.

Im ignoring what 74 said because all his posts turn into fanboi bashing and just ploys for attention. He may make a valid statement but the tone of his posts are so juvenile that you cant get to them. Lee is the opposite since he makes valid posts with valid critiques in a manner where he does not attack anyone/
 

drew81

Well-Known Member
Difference between me and you is that you hyperbole to make complaints while i state my opinion and never state it as fact.

So honest question.

Why is it okay for '74 to bash Disney about EVERYTHING, but wrong for people to say that they enjoy WDW? Is it because you agree with him and in your mind that is a fact instead of an opinion? That would make sense.

Spirit isn't bashing Disney about everything. He is simply stating serious issues the resort has. There are things I still love about WDW but wish TDO would take a long hard look at changing. Whether you like the way he says it is up to you. But I agree with many of the points he brings up.
 

Megavolt

Member
Difference between me and you is that you hyperbole to make complaints while i state my opinion and never state it as fact.

So honest question.

Why is it okay for '74 to bash Disney about EVERYTHING, but wrong for people to say that they enjoy WDW? Is it because you agree with him and in your mind that is a fact instead of an opinion? That would make sense.

Nope, I don't have a problem with people enjoying WDW, I enjoy WDW (made 5 trips this year), Spirit enjoys WDW. He even pointed out the things he liked about his recent trip. You have been ignoring that, even though it has been pointed out to you.

Even though I do agree with much of what Spirit said, that doesn't mean that what I think is fact, it is an opinion. That doesn't give you the right to dismiss my opinion or anyone else's as irrelevant, which you have.

:shrug:
 

Pitchforkman

New Member
Spirit isn't bashing Disney about everything. He is simply stating serious issues the resort has. There are things I still love about WDW but wish TDO would take a long hard look at changing. Whether you like the way he says it is up to you. But I agree with many of the points he brings up.

And that is completely okay. I have issues with Splash Mountain, Stitch, Country Bear, Journey into Imagination. But I dont come on here and just calling everything crap and say that anyone who like disney is a fanboi and wrong. His writing style detracts from his points. Look at Lee then look at 74. One writes like an adult the other not so much
 

Pitchforkman

New Member
Nope, I don't have a problem with people enjoying WDW, I enjoy WDW (made 5 trips this year), Spirit enjoys WDW. He even pointed out the things he liked about his recent trip. You have been ignoring that, even though it has been pointed out to you.

Even though I do agree with much of what Spirit said, that doesn't mean that what I think is fact, it is an opinion. That doesn't give you the right to dismiss my opinion or anyone else's as irrelevant, which you have.

:shrug:

I dismissed his opinion because his opinion is wrapped up in attacks and juvenile claims. Your opinion i respect.
 

Captain Chaos

Well-Known Member
Anyway, let's get back on topic shall we??? Why lose a thread that brings up issues that need to be discussed and brought to light???

This always happens when something negative comes up about WDW... There are those that are set out like rabid dogs to shout down the negative and cause fights and discussions so off topic, the negative threads get shut down... Let's not let them win anymore!!!!!!
 

Megavolt

Member
Im ignoring what 74 said because all his posts turn into fanboi bashing and just ploys for attention. He may make a valid statement but the tone of his posts are so juvenile that you cant get to them. Lee is the opposite since he makes valid posts with valid critiques in a manner where he does not attack anyone/

If you were truly ignoring it, you wouldn't continue to bash his opinion.
 

Megavolt

Member
Anyway, let's get back on topic shall we??? Why lose a thread that bring up issues that need to be discussed and brought to light???

It's all the stuff reasonable fans have been pointing out for years now. Until change happens at the top, WDW's product will continue to suffer. I hate that Holmes' motto seems to be "Let it rot until I have to do something about it.... except HM, that's my baby!"
 

Captain Chaos

Well-Known Member
It's all the stuff reasonable fans have been pointing out for years now. Until change happens at the top, WDW's product will continue to suffer. I hate that Holmes' motto seems to be "Let it rot until I have to do something about it.... except HM, that's my baby!"

Ahhh Haunted Mansion... such a great ride... but that noisy queue... so not needed.... AGH
 

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