Spirited Thoughts, News, Observations etc.

OK, hide the women and the children ... most importantly send the fanbois to bed with their plush and tell them to hide under the covers ... waaaay down under them because it's time for some Spirited thoughts, observations, news and anecdotes from a long weekend at The World Maintenance Forgot, yes WDW.

Where to start? With a conclusion? Or should I just work on down?

Should I start with the good ... things like seeing friends, having great weather, appreciating some things that the fan community tends to ignore and seeing EPCOT in its best colors?

Or ... do I focus on everything else? Because all going to WDW did for me this weekend was exceed my already amazingly low expectations for the state of WDW infrastructure and show quality (hey, they did exceed expectations, right?) and get me more excited for my future visits to DLP, possibly BGW, DL ... and, hopefully in the not too distant future, the Asian resorts again too.

Let's start with the basics. Freshness. If you had visited WDW in 2006 and hadn't returned in six years, you would find no appreciable new product in three of four parks.

You would find show quality that already had issues showing more issues than the typical fanboi in therapy. Well, that's if you can actually get to the MK because the crumbling monorail system has to be shut down all day from 11:30 a.m to 6 p.m. to do track work in the midst of one of the busiest times of the year ... imagine paying $500-700 a night for a room at the GF or Poly with monorail convenience touted (wonder what guest recovery they are doing there!) ... but let's assume you find your way there.

Let's start with the stuff the fan community is all lathered up for, namely the Storybook Circus mini-land expansion of Fantasyland. What did I think of it?

Not very much at all.

As usual, the hype was much greater than the product, which can't be viewed in a vacuum in a park that is crumbling and has no wow factor at all anymore.

In the day, Dumbo's primary colors and the red painted construction fences all around come off as garish ... befitting a circus, no doubt ... but Old Man Disney was no more a fan of circuses than he was of amusement parks and piers and the shady elements that all attracted. So, we have a new spinner that is prettier than the last. And it spins high enough to peek over construction walls and we all know how much that has become en vogue in O-Town of late.

It is a beautiful kinetic piece at night when the lighting is largely coming from the white and red bulbs that rim the queue (likely more of a makeshift deal now until the old Dumbo starts spinning across the way) and the LEDs embedded in the fountains underneath. But it is still Dumbo.

Sort of like the Barnstormer is still the Barnstormer, just missing much in the way of theming. Its prior incarnation had some whimsy, this doesn't. But they weren't getting rid of the only kiddie coaster in the park, so this was a cheap fix. Oh, and thanks to Bob Iger working with a chainsaw, you can now watch Disney buses and CMs driving to/fro work behind the MK as you walk up the queue if you peer left. I will never get what Phil and TDO have against trees, but they certainly do.

Nothing else is open beyond a much nicer train station that is still a train station ... and a set of new restrooms (someone needs to page Talking Head to this thread stat!) What I found amazing is that Disney was too cheap to actually connect these facilities to the park's main water supply, so they are using water from the immediate area that is untreated (or perhaps non-filtered/cleansed is more appropriate) so you have bizarre signs saying the water is 'non potable' (that means you can't drink it for those with limited vocabularies) over toilets. I know Disney's prices are crazy for a Coke, but over the toilet?!? ... Of course, the reason is they have colored the water blue because otherwise it would be a very icky color and folks would constantly be complaining that something isn't right.

Are the details nice? Sure. But they are very basic. I was much more excited by leaf patterns in the walkways around Old Man Island at Dixie Landings 20 years ago than I am by various hoof prints and 'peanuts' embedded in this area.

So much of this area also suffers from having both exposed coaster track (Disney fanbois seem to have issues with this at UNI) and show buildings just sticking out like a Duffy alone on a shelf full of Minnies.

If this is what Disney believes will raise the bar in O-Town ... well, no ... they don't. They understand what they have built and why. This is about capacity ... and NEXT GEN ... and keeping folks from being bored out of their minds by offering something 'new'.

It's in 'soft opening' now, but let's be blunt: they had to get this open and open now. They have so little capacity in this park due to 15 years of taking away and not adding. MK just isn't a very pleasant place right now at all with crowds and walls and lots of attractions that have seen far better days.

Again, it also seems that Ops and WDI simply can't get on the same page no matter what ... Dumbo opens with small plants where every little kid (and plenty of big ones) are going to stand, so the result is the foliage that was there Monday was trampled and mostly dead or dying by Friday. How they miss these basics is beyond me, although I think communication and common sense are both lacking.

Now, what else was 'new' (to me) at MK? Spin the Fanboi? Pin the Tail on Meg? Dole Whip tees (I mean, REALLY?!?!) ... or how about the latest way to hook OCD fanbois and why it is so important to NEXT GEN.

I'll see you all a little later ... like in the next post!
 

devoy1701

Well-Known Member
Perhaps not, but neither is calling anybody who doesn't see your side of stuff a child (as though that is the worst insult to ever insult) for not agreeing with you and then going on to breathe fire at those who do the same thing. Or trying to create a monopoly on what is and is not opinion. :animwink:

for what it's worth I laughed out loud at your news bulletin. :wave:

Also for what it's worth (not that I need to prove anything) but I enjoy each and every visit I have had to WDW. Well...NYE 2010 was a bit of a bust. But anyway...
 

Pitchforkman

New Member
Perhaps not, but neither is calling anybody who doesn't see your side of stuff a child (as though that is the worst insult to ever insult) for not agreeing with you and then going on to breathe fire at those who do the same thing. Or trying to create a monopoly on what is and is not opinion. :animwink:

Very true on all accounts. I was wrong for fighting fire with fire.
 

Pitchforkman

New Member
for what it's worth I laughed out loud at your news bulletin. :wave:

Also for what it's worth (not that I need to prove anything) but I enjoy each and every visit I have had to WDW. Well...NYE 2010 was a bit of a bust. But anyway...

According to 74 then you are a "pixie dust sniffer" and wrong for enjoying your time at WDW.
 

Pitchforkman

New Member
I have very little doubt in my mind that you work for TDO's social media department at this point, Pitchfork.

Yeah because that makes sense. Please provide evidence. I really cant stop laughing. So does 20 million people work for TDO's social media department? I mean using your logic that would be the case. I have never said WDW is perfect either. I really just cant stop laughing. I mean who makes that kind of logical leap?
 

Captain Chaos

Well-Known Member
Oh thats funny. Did you learn that in your MBA program? Anyone who enjoys a product is paid by the company to say so? So i guess millions of people are paid by Disney every year to say they enjoyed their vacation.

In you mind it is lowering overal quality. Maybe you should understand that. Simple economics, the demand for the product is high and satisfaction for the product is high so the price is high. Guests are also willing to paying the higher price so they offer it at a higher price. This is entry level economics lessons.

You are here 5 days, 93 posts, all attacking the negative (actually reality of the state of WDW)... I've respected your posts so far but there is something awfully fishy:

1. Paid member of Disney's social media stooges who are set out to shout down the TRUTHS about the slipping of WDW

2. A former member who was here to basically bait and flame.... (I'm holding judgment on that one still)

3. Not the age you claim to be and more like a kid out fo high school on spring break with no business sense...

I'm leaning toward the first option...
 

xdan0920

Think for yourselfer
Perhaps not, but neither is calling anybody who doesn't see your side of stuff a child (as though that is the worst insult to ever insult) for not agreeing with you and then going on to breathe fire at those who do the same thing. Or trying to create a monopoly on what is and is not opinion. :animwink:

7 posts, 7 excellent, well thought out, well worded statements.

Very true on all accounts. I was wrong for fighting fire with fire.

Your analogy needs work. It's more like you fought with fire, while everyone else didn't know they were in a fight.
 

Pitchforkman

New Member
I have very little doubt in my mind that you work for TDO's social media department at this point, Pitchfork.

I will use your logic:

I have very little doubt in my mind that you work for Universal's social media department at this point, Tom Morrow.

See i can make immature, inane, and downright false claims.
 

Captain Chaos

Well-Known Member
I give him props...he lasted about 5 days...that was much longer than I anticipated this incarnation of Avengers to last. But alas, I have a feeling tonight will be his last. :wave:

Devoy, if you are right again, you will have to be made the Official Reincarnation Of Banned Members Hunter LOL...
 

xdan0920

Think for yourselfer
You are here 5 days, 93 posts, all attacking the negative (actually reality of the state of WDW)... I've respected your posts so far but there is something awfully fishy:

1. Paid member of Disney's social media stooges who are set out to shout down the TRUTHS about the slipping of WDW

2. A former member who was here to basically bait and flame.... (I'm holding judgment on that one still)

3. Not the age you claim to be and more like a kid out fo high school on spring break with no business sense...

I'm leaning toward the first option...

It is a combination of #2 and #3....
 

Captain Chaos

Well-Known Member
Breaking: Disney enthusiast declares his opinion, perception law on the interwebs, revolutionizes concept of individual thinking. Preaches maturity and kindness while spewing insults and putting foot A in mouth B. More at eleven.

In other news, in the same way that acknowledging flaws does not make a person the Devil incarnate or, arguably, a bad fan, supporting the parks and daring to like a few unpopular things does not make a person blind or part of the Disney cult. Nothing is black and white like that.

You've been here since June 2011 and just started posting?? WHY!!!!! Your posts have been most entertaining... You should have been posting all along..
 
1.) I didn't expect to get the warmest welcome by starting off my long-due postin' on this particular thread, but thank you so much to everybody who proved me wrong!

2.) Not all high schoolers swarm to forums to start and maintain flame wars. Some of us are on here for perfectly peaceful reasons. Like procrastinating on homework and making the excruciating next-trip-wait even harder.

3.) Why don't we just take all the fire on here and put it back in the attractions that need it for effects? Boom. One problem solved.

Edit: I've actually been a-lurkin' since, like, 2007. Then I finally made an account and I kind of, uh, forgot to activate it. For a few months. But now I'm here!
 

Captain Chaos

Well-Known Member
It is a combination of #2 and #3....

I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt... I mean, can someone be so ignorant to come back after being banned 4 times previously and NOT think they wouldn't be eventually found out??? I guess my faith in humanity was shortsighted... :lol:
 

Pitchforkman

New Member
You are here 5 days, 93 posts, all attacking the negative (actually reality of the state of WDW)... I've respected your posts so far but there is something awfully fishy:

1. Paid member of Disney's social media stooges who are set out to shout down the TRUTHS about the slipping of WDW

2. A former member who was here to basically bait and flame.... (I'm holding judgment on that one still)

3. Not the age you claim to be and more like a kid out fo high school on spring break with no business sense...

I'm leaning toward the first option...

My favorite ride is Splash Mountain. A ride that during my last trip was a shell of what it used to be. It was frustrating how bad it was but it did not take away from the overall fun i had in the park. If i was a so called plant which makes you think why you would believe they would do that i would not attack such a ride.
 

Tom Morrow

Well-Known Member
Because, in addition to all the suspiciousness already pointed out above, you are relentlessly and obnoxiously defending your opinion against several well established online identities when somebody who just joined this forum should have no real reason to even keep reading and responding to this thread if they disagree.

And then there's "Your opinions are wrong! The screens are perfect!" Everyone else: "the screens are kind of loud and intrusive..."
 

Megavolt

Member
My favorite ride is Splash Mountain. A ride that during my last trip was a shell of what it used to be. It was frustrating how bad it was but it did not take away from the overall fun i had in the park. If i was a so called plant which makes you think why you would believe they would do that i would not attack such a ride.

Stop being negative and calling Splash a shell of what it used to be. On my last trip, I completely enjoyed my ride on Splash. I didn't have one complaint at all about anything with it. You are wrong for saying that. Stop begin so childish.


See, we can do it too.
 

Pitchforkman

New Member
Because, in addition to all the suspiciousness already pointed out above, you are relentlessly and obnoxiously defending your opinion against several well established online identities when somebody who just joined this forum should have no real reason to even keep reading and responding to this thread if they disagree.

And then there's "Your opinions are wrong! The screens are perfect!" Everyone else: "the screens are kind of loud and intrusive..."

Everyone else? Two people say they are loud and intrusive. I was reading the actual thread about it and guess what, most of the people agree with me. It is okay you think that anyone who disagrees with a hostile 74 is a Disney plant.
 

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