Spirited Thoughts, News, Observations etc.

OK, hide the women and the children ... most importantly send the fanbois to bed with their plush and tell them to hide under the covers ... waaaay down under them because it's time for some Spirited thoughts, observations, news and anecdotes from a long weekend at The World Maintenance Forgot, yes WDW.

Where to start? With a conclusion? Or should I just work on down?

Should I start with the good ... things like seeing friends, having great weather, appreciating some things that the fan community tends to ignore and seeing EPCOT in its best colors?

Or ... do I focus on everything else? Because all going to WDW did for me this weekend was exceed my already amazingly low expectations for the state of WDW infrastructure and show quality (hey, they did exceed expectations, right?) and get me more excited for my future visits to DLP, possibly BGW, DL ... and, hopefully in the not too distant future, the Asian resorts again too.

Let's start with the basics. Freshness. If you had visited WDW in 2006 and hadn't returned in six years, you would find no appreciable new product in three of four parks.

You would find show quality that already had issues showing more issues than the typical fanboi in therapy. Well, that's if you can actually get to the MK because the crumbling monorail system has to be shut down all day from 11:30 a.m to 6 p.m. to do track work in the midst of one of the busiest times of the year ... imagine paying $500-700 a night for a room at the GF or Poly with monorail convenience touted (wonder what guest recovery they are doing there!) ... but let's assume you find your way there.

Let's start with the stuff the fan community is all lathered up for, namely the Storybook Circus mini-land expansion of Fantasyland. What did I think of it?

Not very much at all.

As usual, the hype was much greater than the product, which can't be viewed in a vacuum in a park that is crumbling and has no wow factor at all anymore.

In the day, Dumbo's primary colors and the red painted construction fences all around come off as garish ... befitting a circus, no doubt ... but Old Man Disney was no more a fan of circuses than he was of amusement parks and piers and the shady elements that all attracted. So, we have a new spinner that is prettier than the last. And it spins high enough to peek over construction walls and we all know how much that has become en vogue in O-Town of late.

It is a beautiful kinetic piece at night when the lighting is largely coming from the white and red bulbs that rim the queue (likely more of a makeshift deal now until the old Dumbo starts spinning across the way) and the LEDs embedded in the fountains underneath. But it is still Dumbo.

Sort of like the Barnstormer is still the Barnstormer, just missing much in the way of theming. Its prior incarnation had some whimsy, this doesn't. But they weren't getting rid of the only kiddie coaster in the park, so this was a cheap fix. Oh, and thanks to Bob Iger working with a chainsaw, you can now watch Disney buses and CMs driving to/fro work behind the MK as you walk up the queue if you peer left. I will never get what Phil and TDO have against trees, but they certainly do.

Nothing else is open beyond a much nicer train station that is still a train station ... and a set of new restrooms (someone needs to page Talking Head to this thread stat!) What I found amazing is that Disney was too cheap to actually connect these facilities to the park's main water supply, so they are using water from the immediate area that is untreated (or perhaps non-filtered/cleansed is more appropriate) so you have bizarre signs saying the water is 'non potable' (that means you can't drink it for those with limited vocabularies) over toilets. I know Disney's prices are crazy for a Coke, but over the toilet?!? ... Of course, the reason is they have colored the water blue because otherwise it would be a very icky color and folks would constantly be complaining that something isn't right.

Are the details nice? Sure. But they are very basic. I was much more excited by leaf patterns in the walkways around Old Man Island at Dixie Landings 20 years ago than I am by various hoof prints and 'peanuts' embedded in this area.

So much of this area also suffers from having both exposed coaster track (Disney fanbois seem to have issues with this at UNI) and show buildings just sticking out like a Duffy alone on a shelf full of Minnies.

If this is what Disney believes will raise the bar in O-Town ... well, no ... they don't. They understand what they have built and why. This is about capacity ... and NEXT GEN ... and keeping folks from being bored out of their minds by offering something 'new'.

It's in 'soft opening' now, but let's be blunt: they had to get this open and open now. They have so little capacity in this park due to 15 years of taking away and not adding. MK just isn't a very pleasant place right now at all with crowds and walls and lots of attractions that have seen far better days.

Again, it also seems that Ops and WDI simply can't get on the same page no matter what ... Dumbo opens with small plants where every little kid (and plenty of big ones) are going to stand, so the result is the foliage that was there Monday was trampled and mostly dead or dying by Friday. How they miss these basics is beyond me, although I think communication and common sense are both lacking.

Now, what else was 'new' (to me) at MK? Spin the Fanboi? Pin the Tail on Meg? Dole Whip tees (I mean, REALLY?!?!) ... or how about the latest way to hook OCD fanbois and why it is so important to NEXT GEN.

I'll see you all a little later ... like in the next post!
 

tirian

Well-Known Member
That last part is so wrong it is funny. I would actually say the opposite. If anyone agrees with his OPINIONS which are not 100% correct they have clearly never taken any classes in business. See i can make hyperbole statements too.

So how much are you paid to post the PR spin on here?

I don't know what business plan raises prices while lowering overall quality, and I have an MBA.
 

Pitchforkman

New Member
So how much are you paid to post the PR spin on here?

I don't know what business plan raises prices while lowering overall quality, and I have an MBA.

Oh thats funny. Did you learn that in your MBA program? Anyone who enjoys a product is paid by the company to say so? So i guess millions of people are paid by Disney every year to say they enjoyed their vacation.

In you mind it is lowering overal quality. Maybe you should understand that. Simple economics, the demand for the product is high and satisfaction for the product is high so the price is high. Guests are also willing to paying the higher price so they offer it at a higher price. This is entry level economics lessons.
 

Bolna

Well-Known Member
I know I should not do this...

But this claim:

people like 74 who offer nothing reasonable but just negativity

is just so untrue.

In case people are confused by the other parts of WDW1974's posts, here is an edited version for those who want to only read positive comments as they are there - quoted from his original posts!!

Should I start with the good ... things like seeing friends, having great weather, appreciating some things that the fan community tends to ignore and seeing EPCOT in its best colors?

It is a beautiful kinetic piece at night when the lighting is largely coming from the white and red bulbs that rim the queue (likely more of a makeshift deal now until the old Dumbo starts spinning across the way) and the LEDs embedded in the fountains underneath.

Nothing else is open beyond a much nicer train station

Are the details nice? Sure.

for every great screen in a perfect place like the one next to the Frontierland Shooting Gallery

my citrus swirl (tasty, but tiny portion).

Lots of fun. Weather was great. Love spending time in EPCOT when it is in bloom. Discovered that I really enjoy TPFKaTD-MGMS far more than MK (now my least favorite O-Town park) and saw some great new or 'new to me' exhibits at Disney Animation and the AFI Showcase. Still, love the new Star Tours and ToT (minus screaming children and bad parents). Had great meals, including Kouzina and Biergarten.

But yeah, it was a nice, much-needed short trip!

There it is - for everyone who claims that WDW1974 is only negative about WDW. If you say that, you clearly cannot read.

Is it much? Unfortunately not from this trip. And that makes me sad. I would love to read an observation thread from him where he is praising Disney - because that would mean that there are true reasons to praise Disney. And that would be great for all of us WDW fans.
 

Pitchforkman

New Member
I know I should not do this...

But this claim:



is just so untrue.

In case people are confused by the other parts of WDW1974's posts, here is an edited version for those who want to only read positive comments as they are there - quoted from his original posts!!




There it is - for everyone who claims that WDW1974 is only negative about WDW. If you say that, you clearly cannot read.

Is it much? Unfortunately not from this trip. And that makes me sad. I would love to read an observation thread from him where he is praising Disney - because that would mean that there are true reasons to praise Disney. And that would be great for all of us WDW fans.

Cherry picking some kinda positive notes out of a fully NEGATIVE post does not do you any good. I can read thank you i just got tired of reading negativity and attacks. Lee posted negatives but in a noncombative way which i liked. I can respect his posts.

So what you are saying is unless he finds something positive about WDW then that is the only time there is something good? Sorry but mine and millions of others enjoy ourselves without needed a negative man telling us what parts of WDW are good or not.
 

tirian

Well-Known Member
In you mind it is lowering overal quality. Maybe you should understand that. Simple economics, the demand for the product is high and satisfaction for the product is high so the price is high. Guests are also willing to paying the higher price so they offer it at a higher price. This is entry level economics lessons.

Ironically, my first post agreed with some of your statements, and you were too busy seething at my last sentence to comprehend that. You are clearly determined to twist words and intentions in the most immature way imaginable to support your predetermined delusions. Nothing you have said so far has contained a modicum of reasonable discussion, levelheaded consideration, or calm debate. You also clearly don't have a sense of humor.

I'm done feeding the troll.
 

devoy1701

Well-Known Member
I give him props...he lasted about 5 days...that was much longer than I anticipated this incarnation of Avengers to last. But alas, I have a feeling tonight will be his last. :wave:
 

Pitchforkman

New Member
Ironically, my first post agreed with some of your statements, and you were too busy seething at my last sentence to comprehend that. You are clearly determined to twist words and intentions in the most immature way imaginable to support your predetermined delusions. Nothing you have said so far has contained a modicum of reasonable discussion, levelheaded consideration, or calm debate. You also clearly don't have a sense of humor.

I'm done feeding the troll.

Sorry but nothing you said is true. You wrote something wrong and i called you out and proved you wrong. So instead of acting like an adult you post this joke post.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
Pitchforkman - I have no idea who you are, but you've been on these forums for less than a week and you've already used your 86 posts to complain about at least half a dozen people on here.

Yet, you're criticizing people for being negative... I don't get it.

Back off a bit, don't try to make up for lost time by over posting or engaging every person on here in an argument.
 

Pitchforkman

New Member
I give him props...he lasted about 5 days...that was much longer than I anticipated this incarnation of Avengers to last. But alas, I have a feeling tonight will be his last. :wave:

What have i done wrong sir? I mean is it an offense to have fun at WDW? I guess enjoying yourself at disney and asking people not to attack those of us who enjoy WDW is a ban worthy offense.
 

devoy1701

Well-Known Member
Pitchforkman - I have no idea who you are, but you've been on these forums for less than a week and you've already used your 86 posts to complain about at least half a dozen people on here.

Yet, you're criticizing people for being negative... I don't get it.

Back off a bit, don't try to make up for lost time by over posting or engaging every person on here in an argument.

technically he's been here about 3 weeks. I believe this is his 4th Username.
 

Pitchforkman

New Member
Pitchforkman - I have no idea who you are, but you've been on these forums for less than a week and you've already used your 86 posts to complain about at least half a dozen people on here.

Yet, you're criticizing people for being negative... I don't get it.

Back off a bit, don't try to make up for lost time by over posting or engaging every person on here in an argument.

Thank you for your info. There is a vocal group of i say 4 people who think that everyone should bend to their will and will attack anyone who does not share their view. They are bullies on the playground so to speak. I have had more enjoyable conversations here with people like you who are adults. I may of went against negativity with negativity but it irks me when i have grown men pretty much attacking everyone who disagrees with them and in effect is attacking my nephew.
 
Sorry but nothing you said is true. You wrote something wrong and i called you out and proved you wrong. So instead of acting like an adult you post this joke post.

Breaking: Disney enthusiast declares his opinion, perception law on the interwebs, revolutionizes concept of individual thinking. Preaches maturity and kindness while spewing insults and putting foot A in mouth B. More at eleven.

In other news, in the same way that acknowledging flaws does not make a person the Devil incarnate or, arguably, a bad fan, supporting the parks and daring to like a few unpopular things does not make a person blind or part of the Disney cult. Nothing is black and white like that.
 

Pitchforkman

New Member
Breaking: Disney enthusiast declares his opinion, perception law on the interwebs, revolutionizes concept of individual thinking. Preaches maturity and kindness while spewing insults and putting foot A in mouth B. More at eleven.

In other news, in the same way that acknowledging flaws does not make a person the Devil incarnate or, arguably, a bad fan, supporting the parks and daring to like a few unpopular things does not make a person blind or part of the Disney cult. Nothing is black and white like that.

Supposedly i am a "pixie duster" because i like WDW. Logical? Nope not at all :ROFLOL:
 
Supposedly i am a "pixie duster" because i like WDW. Logical? Nope not at all :ROFLOL:

Perhaps not, but neither is calling anybody who doesn't see your side of stuff a child (as though that is the worst insult to ever insult) for not agreeing with you and then going on to breathe fire at those who do the same thing. Or trying to create a monopoly on what is and is not opinion. :animwink:
 

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