Spirited Special II: DHS Guardians Tower Not Dead; DL to Trade Nostalgia For Star Wars Pyro

[CinematicFusion]

I recently watched this documentary called "Decoding Immortality". Scientists have found a way to not only repair DNA, but to make it young again. The catch? The same process that makes DNA young again can trigger cancer. So scientists wonder if the reason we age is a way to stop cancer from developing, so that we'll actually live longer. One of those miserable two-edged-sword things...

That's cool, I'll have to check the documentary out.

 

[RSoxNo1]

I haven't been to either EPCOT or DHS since 2011. DHS is in better shape? I'll find out in December.

Right now, both parks are lousy. I just found myself bored quicker in Epcot on my last trip in January. Coming up in September Epcot will be propped up by new offerings and Food and Wine.

 

[RSoxNo1]

My recent trip to Epcot left me with a similar attitude. Futureworld is an embarrassment. Even my beloved Living with the Land is getting so outdated it's painfull. The Seas is a nice pavillion but the Nemo ride is cringeworthy.

But having said that, The World showcase still rivals Animal Kingdom as the most enjoyable and best themed Disney experiences(omitting that crapfest in Norway)

I can take an hour or two and stroll through World Showcase and enjoy it. That gets lengthened during Food and Wine. However, it's not necessary for me. There's a lot of style and not as much substance as their needs to be. I find that there's a lot more substance in the Animal Kingdom.

At DHS there's a lot less style, but you're bouncing from attraction to attraction.

 

[Incomudro]

What is Epcot now?
Walt Disney said, ""EPCOT will take its cue from the new ideas and new technologies that are now emerging from the creative centers of American industry. It will be a community of tomorrow that will never be completed, but will always be introducing, and testing, and demonstrating new materials and new systems. And EPCOT will always be a showcase to the world of the ingenuity and imagination of American free enterprise."

It certainty isn't that. Epcot feels like you are transported back to a future version of 1982. Or, you have been dropped into a scene from the 1960's H.G. Well's film "The Time Machine."

The last time they tried to incorporate the tech of the present was in 2003. Mission Space happened 13 years ago ago ago ago......

I'm with you, I wish they would create rides or refresh rides to engage our imaginations to what will be...what might come.
But the future ideas are scary.
This is what will come in the future....
1. Biological implants for everyday use. Memory implants, save our thoughts on a computer. Communication implants, we will no longer need phones. Implants from GE that help us start cars, turn on our lights.
2. Designer babies. We can get rid of Alzheimer's, increase babies intelligence by 15%, and give you a choice of eye color all for the low cost of $450,000.
3. Computers take over jobs. Drones, kiosks (in restaurants, movie theaters,ect.), self driving cars,boats.
4. Three companies run the world. Facebook, Amazon,Google. (In the 70's it would have been Kodak, G.E., Exxon(Standard Oil)
5. New Pokemon games using Google glass.

Epcot can't stay the way it is....not sure what they will do. I wouldn't be surprised if they turn it into a traditional theme park. Writing has been on the wall for some time.

What would a 10 year old boy want to ride? An E-ticket adventure into Guardians of the Galaxy. A family adventure into the world of Zootopia? Or a refreshed Universe of Energy with Ellen and Bill Nye the Science Guy with new and exciting questions from Alex Trebek?

Who wins? Bill Nye and his laser gun or....

Guardians of the Galaxy?

You nailed it.
I don't know what vision of Epcot people are still holding onto, or are holding onto the belief will be re-introduced.
The best Future World can do is give present itself as the more cutting edge/tech of the parks, giving us rides that have some element of science, or modernity or what not.
In other words, more of what it has. Test Track, Mission Mars, and any new feature such as Guardians of the Galaxy.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

I can take an hour or two and stroll through World Showcase and enjoy it. That gets lengthened during Food and Wine. However, it's not necessary for me. There's a lot of style and not as much substance as their needs to be. I find that there's a lot more substance in the Animal Kingdom.

At DHS there's a lot less style, but you're bouncing from attraction to attraction.

I assume their will be stuff to do at EPCOT with the holiday items up in WS. I'm trying to figure out if DHS is worth going over at night. I'll probably do a rope drop to hit everything and perhaps park hop.

 

[csmat99]

I can take an hour or two and stroll through World Showcase and enjoy it. That gets lengthened during Food and Wine. However, it's not necessary for me. There's a lot of style and not as much substance as their needs to be. I find that there's a lot more substance in the Animal Kingdom.

At DHS there's a lot less style, but you're bouncing from attraction to attraction.

You mean bounce from one attraction to the other attraction left.

 

[JohnD]

I still think if they're gonna shoehorn Guardians of the Galaxy into an existing Florida ride, Rock n Roller Coaster should be the sacrificial lamb.

Stick a different sign on the outside. Retheme the inside. Done. I can live with that.

 

[Mike S]

First, and I mean this with no irony - it's sad that 75%* of the people on a random Internet message board, with no experience running a multi-billion dollar company, are more qualified to lead a multi-billion dollar company than the person and next in command currently running that company.

*Not statistically proven

Second, where are all the suits that love Disney? The execs that love the parks? Where's Lasseter? I can't believe that there isn't anyone saying "enough is enough"!

I vote for @WDW1974 as the next CEO, @ParentsOf4 as CFO, @marni1971 as Chief Historian, and yours truly as the company appointed face slapper of anyone who blurts out asinine ideas such as Mission: BREAKOUT. Of course I'll probably have my own underlings as well

Universal holding the rights in Florida is a blessing in disguise. I do so hope the rumors of the super hero island are true, it would give a rare chance to see the two companies basically create rides for the same thing (Marvel GotG vs Avengers) and the competion should be fierce as all get out -- I'd hope, at least you'd hope it would be. I'm very impressed so far with what they did to Hulk.

I really don't understand why they don't just put a new build for Guardians in DHS. This is far and away the most logical choice. Demo some of the area between RnRC and Star Wars Launch Bay or Demo Indiana Jones. If they're considering a newish build in Epcot, it's not like this is going to be a cost savings, why not put it where it belongs.

Hear, hear.

Neil deGrasse Tyson has more Twitter followers than Star Lord himself, Chris Pratt.

 

[wdwfan4ver]

What?????

I know who Talking head is referring to. This site doesn't allow his name to be mention or his site. The fact is the person in question is a former member board member of this site that got banned in 2007. That person is known to get the same rumors as the members on this forum does. The rumors he does that doesn't come from here is some stuff that is usually off.

 

[yeti]

... like Mary Poppins in Great Britain, and Mulan in Japan.....

 

[Captain Neo]

It would be good if Disney just buys out universals license so that every land and attraction is either Marvel or Star Wars. Old Walt always said that the parks would evolve as audience tastes changed and now audiences want Marvel and Star Wars so Disney needs to rise to the occasion and accommodate that. They have been well rewarded in Anaheim where Star Tours 2 and Hyperspace Mountain lines have tripled and every other person is wearing a Star Wars t-shirt and merch is flying off the shelves.

 

[Magenta Panther]

Whoops, sorry. Fixed!

 

[VJ]

Welp.

I was willing to give Disney the benefit of the doubt over GOTG. Even Star Wars Land.

The "Star Wars fireworks spectacular" (that will probably be a rehash of Galactic Spectacular) as Disneyland's main fireworks show has ruined that for me.

Is it too late to join the doom 'n' gloomers club?

 

[VJ]

Second, where are all the suits that love Disney? The execs that love the parks? Where's Lasseter? I can't believe that there isn't anyone saying "enough is enough"!

You don't remember Tony Baxter "retiring"? You don't remember John Lasseter dropping off the face of the earth after Cars Land opened? Love has no place in today's Disney. It's all about money.

 

[VJ]

DHS version is a classic and won't be changed.

Ha. Haha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, man.. Classic means nothing anymore unless Disney can use it to raise prices. Nothing is sacred.

 

[FigmentForver96]

Welp.

I was willing to give Disney the benefit of the doubt over GOTG. Even Star Wars Land.

The "Star Wars fireworks spectacular" (that will probably be a rehash of Galactic Spectacular) as Disneyland's main fireworks show has ruined that for me.

Is it too late to join the doom 'n' gloomers club?

Nope I just recently joined the group. It's not really doom and gloom it's more the realistic view that the Disney of old, the great, innovative, spectacular, Disney is dead. They died and it's probably not coming back. The theme parks of just cash machines now and they have shown no interest in being innovative or original. The best example is the Star Wars fireworks coming to Disneyland. One moment they talk about respecting the heritage of Walt Disney and his creation and how nostalgia is inportant and they make bank off of it. Then they turn around and claim nostalgia is no good and we need to look ahead. They focus on what works right then and there and to hell with theme or originality

 

[VJ]

Nope I just recently joined the group. It's not really doom and gloom it's more the realistic view that the Disney of old, the great, innovative, spectacular, Disney is dead. They died and it's probably not coming back. The theme parks of just cash machines now and they have shown no interest in being innovative or original. The best example is the Star Wars fireworks coming to Disneyland. One moment they talk about respecting the heritage of Walt Disney and his creation and how nostalgia is inportant and they make bank off of it. Then they turn around and claim nostalgia is no good and we need to look ahead. They focus on what works right then and there and to hell with theme or originality

EXACTLY. I could not have said it better myself. I've tried to go with the flow and just ended up drowning. They're alienating the most loyal fans they have and they don't care. It's like how they fired Tony Baxter. They want yes men, not people of Walt's time. Not people like us. They want brand shills like Lou Mongello and those who treat him as some sort of god, who eat up everything Disney puts out. Who makes excuses for everything Disney puts out.

I know I was borderline defending all this a couple of weeks ago. And, like I said I'd do, I admit I was wrong. Can you blame me for trying to find a silver lining in all of this? It's just pure unadulterated bad choices. Everyone who was loyal to Walt is getting thrown overboard while the corporate zombies who will say "yes sir, right away sir" to Iger get higher and higher.

Don't believe Disney when they say they still care about Walt. If they did, they'd do things like Walt did. Not paint-by-number like in the 70s but by exemplifying Walt's outlook and attitude. Innovate. Excite. Make new things. Make original things. Bob Iger cares nothing about any of that. They'll put Walt's name on stuff knowing we'll buy it. That's manipulation if I've ever seen it and honestly that's sickening to me.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

What would a 10 year old boy want to ride? An E-ticket adventure into Guardians of the Galaxy. A family adventure into the world of Zootopia? Or a refreshed Universe of Energy with Ellen and Bill Nye the Science Guy with new and exciting questions from Alex Trebek?

Who wins? Bill Nye and his laser gun or....

Guardians of the Galaxy?

When I was ten, I would've picked EPCOT in a heartbeat. I think lots of ten year olds would pick a modern EPCOT over last week's space pulp any day. As attests the ever rising popularity of science museums, of popular children's exhibits in museums, and the insatiable appetite of ten year old boys for anything relating to dinosaurs/planets/space/wonders of the world or of technology.

 

[CinematicFusion]

I recently watched this documentary called "Decoding Immortality". Scientists have found a way to not only repair DNA, but to make it young again. The catch? The same process that makes DNA young again can trigger cancer. So scientists wonder if the reason we age is a way to stop cancer from developing, so that we'll actually live longer. One of those miserable two-edged-sword things...

That's cool, I'll have to check the documentary out.

When I was ten, I would've picked EPCOT in a heartbeat. I think lots of ten year olds would pick a modern EPCOT over last week's space pulp any day. As attests the ever rising popularity of science museums, of popular children's exhibits in museums, and the insatiable appetite of ten year old boys for anything relating to dinosaurs/planets/space/wonders of the world or of technology.

I loved Epcot when I was 10 back in the early 80's. My brother couldn't stand it.
It will be interesting to see which way Disney takes Epcot. It's not about what I want. It's about what do families want with disposable income.

Do they go the Musuem/Worldsfair route or does it become more of a traditional theme park of thrill rides based on the latest IP's?

 

[Magenta Panther]

EXACTLY. I could not have said it better myself. I've tried to go with the flow and just ended up drowning. They're alienating the most loyal fans they have and they don't care. It's like how they fired Tony Baxter. They want yes men, not people of Walt's time. Not people like us. They want brand shills like Lou Mongello and those who treat him as some sort of god, who eat up everything Disney puts out. Who makes excuses for everything Disney puts out.

I know I was borderline defending all this a couple of weeks ago. And, like I said I'd do, I admit I was wrong. Can you blame me for trying to find a silver lining in all of this? It's just pure unadulterated bad choices. Everyone who was loyal to Walt is getting thrown overboard while the corporate zombies who will say "yes sir, right away sir" to Iger get higher and higher.

Don't believe Disney when they say they still care about Walt. If they did, they'd do things like Walt did. Not paint-by-number like in the 70s but by exemplifying Walt's outlook and attitude. Innovate. Excite. Make new things. Make original things. Bob Iger cares nothing about any of that. They'll put Walt's name on stuff knowing we'll buy it. That's manipulation if I've ever seen it and honestly that's sickening to me.

This is brilliant. You said everything I feel about this mess, and so eloquently. Kudos!