Because TEA's numbers are not correct.
BTW, Epcot routinely turns in some of the largest cash receipts on property. Booze, booze, and more booze. As long as Epcot is selling booze, Epcot does not have a "problem."
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Because TEA's numbers are not correct.
BTW, Epcot routinely turns in some of the largest cash receipts on property. Booze, booze, and more booze. As long as Epcot is selling booze, Epcot does not have a "problem."
doctornick
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I'm skeptical of the Muppets area being in jeopardy. I can see the SOA being torn down -- it's relatively unused and could easily be added (along with LMA and Backlot Tour) for a large Pixar expansion. It would also be cheap to demolish and reuse since there's not really much there, except the Premiere Theater (probably be kept) and Mama Melrose (probably be rethemed to another restaurant).
But the Muppets actually has an attraction and surrounding theming to go with it. There's plenty of other space to build on (and I don't see a need to put Star Wars and Cars Land/Pixar right next to each other). Unless they are investing $1.5B in DHS, I don't see them putting in enough new stuff to require all of SOA/Echo Lake (including Commisary Lane, Muppets, etc.)
the.dreamfinder
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Couldn't they just move the Osborne lights to Disney Springs?
GoofGoof
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That would be my vote, but then they can't charge for admission.
Turtle
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Mater's Junkyard Jamboree.
And has it been confirmed that RSR is being replaced with a Cars dark ride?
the.dreamfinder
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They could conceivably make up for it with higher sales at Disney Springs' stores and restaurants.
Funmeister
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Funmeister
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Add two more cruise ships (more of a reality than most realize), possible 3rd gate/expansion (rumor) at DLR, re-build of DD to Disney Springs (announced after Iger made the statement) and the spending is right back up where it is now. IF/WHEN those things happen then spending has not regressed. Good point though thanks for the reply.
sounds like to me they want cars land without the expensive rock work...if this is really going to be a 600 million redo i would say star wars looks to be getting the lions share maybe 400 million to 200 millionSounds more like Carsland without the ride to me
Funmeister
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Because a park of that size should draw more than 11M. Based on history seeing what Epcot used to offer compared to now there is a feeling that it is broken. There are problems that do need to be fixed...stagnate pavilions in Future World and lack of new offerings park wide. It has turned into a high priced cafeteria with a few things to do while waiting for your priority seating. It is much more dining and merchandise driven then attraction, exhibit and show based when it first opened. "Turning" Flower and Garden into another food fest is a prime example.
When someone pays close to $100 to go to Epcot for the day they should get more than an attraction with defunct Bill Nye and Ellen (no offense Ellen) and do it yourself kids masks.
I understand what you are saying though...11M is a lot but Epcot should be getting more than that.
lazyboy97o
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Because of the pricing structure. Adding days to a ticket make each individual day's admission. If you're going for a week it's cheaper to stay put than go someplace else because you start over in the pricing structure. That is why people taking a day for Universal is huge, because they're willing to incur that high cost of a. New ticket set resistance adding discounted days. Attendance also says nothing about satisfaction and spending.
Indeed. And that's a prime example what is wrong with WDW management.
Though anyone who suffered Youngs speech at the 30th knows that already.
Iger's Aquisition Kingdom
Well, that's not good - we're already booked up for November/December 2014 and they were one of the main things that we were going for...
So, you go to bed and get up and have a lazy Saturday going and you find that the fanboi UNIverse has 'sploded like a watermelon dropped off the roof of the Contemporary.
With apologies to @pheneix for his great summation thread, I don't even know where to begin or whether it is a battle worth fighting. The leak served its purpose ... I'm sure the folks at D23 and Disney Publicity/Social Media are all thrilled.
BTW, got an anonymous note (well, from someone I don't know) overnight saying the new Star Wars attraction will be a reskinned version of the Tron lightcycle coaster that is replacing Space Mountain on Shanghai's opening day menu. I don't usually run with rumors from strangers, but I do think this one may have merit.
Now ... do I really want to start battling about this being a total reaction to UNI/IOA and a park in attendance free fall? Or do I just let folks believe what they will? I am awfully hungry and there are a couple of films I'd like to catch this weekend.
With apologies to @pheneix for his great summation thread, I don't even know where to begin or whether it is a battle worth fighting. The leak served its purpose ... I'm sure the folks at D23 and Disney Publicity/Social Media are all thrilled.
BTW, got an anonymous note (well, from someone I don't know) overnight saying the new Star Wars attraction will be a reskinned version of the Tron lightcycle coaster that is replacing Space Mountain on Shanghai's opening day menu. I don't usually run with rumors from strangers, but I do think this one may have merit.
Now ... do I really want to start battling about this being a total reaction to UNI/IOA and a park in attendance free fall? Or do I just let folks believe what they will? I am awfully hungry and there are a couple of films I'd like to catch this weekend.
Turtle
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so... it's happening?
Market share is a funny thing. People just look at MK attendance and all of Disney's resorts and say 'UNI can do all it wants and it will never compete at that level ... blah, blah and ... yeah, blah' ... and that misses the point entirely.
UNI doesn't ever need to have a park that pulls in MK-crowds to significantly change the visitorship patterns to both its resort and Disney's. Talk to anyone in the business (not fanbois on message boards) and they'll tell you that since WWoHP that UNI has taken a day from many of the typical vacationers. There's very little doubt that will be two days taken away from Disney come next year ... it's already moving in that direction.
That harms Disney on so many levels (record profits or not because those are not self-sustaining).
Attendance is another issue that always comes up and folks point to the TEA numbers as 'the bible' ... the problem is that like many Bibles, it is a work crafted by men and its numbers are suspect at best, outright lies at worst.
If you look at the numbers for TPFKaTD-MGMS (and soon to be known as something else again), you might realize that for the 2012 numbers to be accurate that the park would have had to be at or close to capacity roughly every day of the year. Think about that and then decide whether you want to put much stock in the numbers that have that gate at almost 10 million visitors. And let's not forget how Disney counts guests. Someone visiting on a Saturday EMH morning for literally three hours and then spending the rest of the day at the Pop Century pool and the MK gets counted as a guest of the Studios the same as someone who spent the entire day there.
jt04
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Funny thing is I almost commented that the pheneix thread read like a poor imitation of your techniques. I actually thought you would be offended by the poor imitation of a certain spirit. But I was wrong. It happens..... rarely.
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