Spirited News, Observations & Thoughts IV

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People dressed better and acted better at UNI. Period. This wouldn't be such an issue except for as long as I've been part of the internet fan community I have heard about the lower level clientele that UNI has supposedly attracted.
This is what I've heard too. Many Disney fans consider Uni's following to be nothing more than misbehaved delinquent drunks. Yet I have never witnessed any of this at Uni. As a matter of fact, the Uni crowds seem more laid back and less entitled than those at WDW.
 

danlb_2000

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There are a lot of examples where moving to cashless and token systems increase spending while reducing loss.

People spend more on credit... It removes barriers like not having the money with you, not enough, etc

For just a quick example... Look at the airlines
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2008/10/one-more-drink-per-flight-4-mi.html/

But this isn't a case of going cash to cashless, the stores already except credit cards so the magic band only makes it slightly easier to pay.
 

WDW1974

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Overheard last night at my local froyo joint.

8-9 year-old girl and her parents discussing where to go for their end of summer vacation. Parents suggest WDW's MK, child says 'no, I don't want to go there. It's boring. Can we go to Universal instead?''

Disney is losing its audience across multiple demos. Stale is stale. Magic bands don't compete with MAGICal cutting edge attractions if you aren't an addict. The paradigm has absolutely shifted.
 

Wikkler

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Had the script changes not been made to JC, it would have ended up being just as unpopular as CoP, CBJ and the Tiki Room are now. These attractions can be brought back from their slide into ignominious oblivion with some creative input. As I've mentioned before, Hip-Hop would be a perfect foil to bring the CBJ back to life. Sam the Eagle could join forces with the Tiki birds to perform a tribute to Hawaii (and mostly its big brother the continental USA). Of course, Dr. Bunsen Honeydew and Beaker would be able to make the CoP turn in the right direction once again.
DISLIKE...
I actually love all three as they are now. I know. Shocking.
 

GoofGoof

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This is what I've heard too. Many Disney fans consider Uni's following to be nothing more than misbehaved delinquent drunks. Yet I have never witnessed any of this at Uni. As a matter of fact, the Uni crowds seem more laid back and less entitled than those at WDW.

I have no hard facts, but my guess would be the vast majority of tourists visiting Universal parks on a given trip are also visiting WDW. It's pretty much the same people.
 

Jeffxz

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There are a lot of examples where moving to cashless and token systems increase spending while reducing loss.

People spend more on credit... It removes barriers like not having the money with you, not enough, etc

For just a quick example... Look at the airlines
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2008/10/one-more-drink-per-flight-4-mi.html/

I can agree that cashless systems could increase spending, but the bands won't encourage it more than regular credit or kttw cards. People that like to pay in cash will continue to pay with cash. I don't believe that if someone was not willing to link their CC to a kttw card they would change their minds due to the bands.
 

bhg469

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We'll all agree but the sentiment is gone from the execs. Any nostalgia that is there will not be a reason for many of their decisions. No one is on this site cause they hate wdw, we mostly despise the last 15 years but it can be turned around... I think.
 

WDW1974

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Great point. There was actually a time when people dressed up to go the hardware store. Times have changed, it's no longer the era in which Grace Kelly said that as a lady, she would NEVER wear pants in public, but, taking a little pride and self respect in how we present ourselves is still how things SHOULD be. Rich, poor or somewhere in the middle, dignity or looking like you care may be a dying thing.

You need to have standards and enforce them. Disney will let any pig into any of its establishments except V&As no matter how poorly dressed they are of if they have a cloud of theme park funk hovering over them like Pigpen from Peanuts. They won't turn money away because money is all that they care about.

Try getting into Bice, The Palm or Tchoup Chop dressed that way.
 

Wikkler

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When did the notion of never-ending celebration decorations begin? Within the last decade?
It started with this:
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John

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FP+ will most certainly appeal to a certain category of existing WDW guest.

However, will FP+ appeal to new guests? Will there be an appreciable number who say, "I wasn't planning on going to Disney World but now that I've heard about this FastPass+ thing, I'm changing my plans and heading to Disney!"

I suggest that the answer to this is "no"; FP+ will not make an appreciable difference in attracting new guests.

Now compare that to a similar question about WWOHP: "I wasn't planning on going to Universal but now that I've heard about this Harry Potter land thing, I'm changing my plans and heading to Universal!"

Most clearly, the answer was "yes". (As a side note, I believe the same answer will apply to a new Star Wars Land at DHS; it will help WDW's business, assuming it's done decently. IMHO, Star Wars Land is desperately needed at DHS.)

The NextGen initiative was launched at a time when corporate Disney viewed theme parks as a mature business. There was little they could do to increase overall Orlando tourism so instead focus on capturing more of WDW's guests onsite, similar to what the successful (and much less expensive) Disney Magical Express initiative did.

Bob Iger was with Disney when DAK opened in 1998 and would have seen that an entirely new and expensive theme park did not obtain the desired results. He would have observed similar disappointing results after the opening of DCA in 2001. With essentially no theme park experience, I can imagine how these events would have influenced his view of the industry and fed into the narrative that theme parks in mature markets offered limited growth potential.

So, NextGen was supposed to keep more guests (and their dollars) onsite (along with reduce opex), not drive increased attendance.

That changed with the opening of WWOHP in 2010 and Cars Land in 2012. Suddenly it became apparent that theme parks could experience significant attendance increases with the right offering, namely a highly popular IP encapsulated within an entire land. For NextGen, it was too late. Hundreds of millions had already been sunk into that project.

Now preliminary test results suggest that FP+ will have limited appeal. It will be popular among some guests but won't turn all guests into extreme planners. It won't capture guests onsite the way the much less expensive DME did. The fear within the corporate halls at Disney today is that rather than bother with the relatively steep learning curve associated with MM+, guests will simply opt for new and exciting attractions at Universal, hence the relatively recent scramble to try to do something with DHS.

Earlier it was suggested that a younger generation will embrace MM+ technology. This no doubt is true. Alternatively, I suggest that they are more likely to embrace new and exciting attractions at Universal rather than using their iPhones to book attractions that are 40 years old. My teenagers have iPhones but all would rather ride Forbidden Journey than use their iPhones to book Space Mountain 60 days out.:D

Delays in the deployment of FastPass+ will mean that it will go head-to-head with Universal's Diagon Alley. I know what my money's on to win that battle.:D

I couldn't agree with this more. On my next trip in January three things are happening on my trip that has not happened to my trips in the last 19 years. I will not make ANY ADR's......I will cut my stay to jut a couple days.....I will not purchase any Mickey merch. Also will not participate in any MM+ cockamamie FP+ program. Will some of you care? Nope....one less in line. But I cant help think that I will be added to a increasing number of guest who feel as I do. Some of you wont care but I have to think that after 19 years and how much Disney data mines such information that not only will they notice......but will care. I refuse to spend that much time preplanning my vacation. To me a vacation is a time where there are no clocks.....there are no deadlines....no phones......Its mentioned over and over how MM+ is going to make it so we don't have to run around the parks and go from ride to ride and get a FP. That could be true......instead we will have to run around the park trying to make our ADR's.....FP+......."experiences"....before our time window closes. With out factoring in any other "unforeseen" occurrences they may disrupt a plan that was made 60-90 days before.

You say.... oh but that isn't true. You can get on your Apple thingy and just change it to whatever you want. Yea.....you believe that.....I have a bridge you might want to buy. I want to see Disney set up a system that is supported by WiFi support 10's of thousands of guest in such a small area with out major problems. It aint happening. Hey Disney.....you need to get your website user friendly before ever biting off this piece of pie.

This program will never make back its ROI. There is no chance. With maintence of said system and the pace of advancing technology this program will be behind from rollout. It will always be buggy and needing fixing. There will be and I suspect that there is already front line CM's being sacrificed to make room for back stage IT workers. Instead of reducing payroll they are actually increasing it with higher paying tech jobs. Boondoggle? IMO this gives boondoggles a bad name everywhere. To me this is shaping up to be a guest service nightmare. As some of you have mentioned that there will be a segment that will embrace this program and absolutely love it. But as we know and have seen the present majority of guest now visiting has changed and hardly the type to embrace what most deem a complicated system. What about the foreign guest that WDW so heavily depends on now. How much time and money needs to be spent on educating those guest? Is this cost in the budget?

Lastly the question I pose to everyone....even those who support it. Is it really needed? Will this program truly make your trips that much more magical? It might be a few nice additions but could we live without it? Is this thing going to revolutionize how we tour or is it just going to simply change the way we tour....big difference.
For me its going to change it for sure. Its going to reduce my time there. I want less hassles....not more.
 

WDW1974

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Getting away from paper is a hard habit to break. We have been paperlight at the hospital for years. We are not paperless because people have to have that piece of paper to hold. There is something about electronics and security/outages people won't get. Just like a GPS is only as good as you can power it on. The younger generation may get a rude awaking trusting too much in electronics. What happens if your smartphone breaks/battery life, run to the nearest kiosk?

Or what happens if you just don't want every move you make to be tracked whether by your government or your favorite theme park resort?

I am sorry, but I firmly know enough people who don't do everything with crappy iPhones and live quite well. This concept that we should all be conned into having a tracking device with us really is a problem for millions of Americans with functioning brains.
 

Goofyernmost

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I agree that the current line of thinking at WDW is really short sighted... If management really want to increase spending they should offer products that are unique to the parks. I was just at Walmart and they have a huge section of Disney products that look like the same cheap crap you can buy in the parks.
Actually it is better quality and lasts longer and cost about a third of the price. I think it would be nice if Disney did work like a Walmart...perhaps it would be easier to afford to go there.
 

JimboJones123

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People dressed better and acted better at UNI. Period. This wouldn't be such an issue except for as long as I've been part of the internet fan community I have heard about the lower level clientele that UNI has supposedly attracted.

It's just hogwash. The lower end clientele is part and parcel of the Walmarting of WDW. The guests at UNI are now higher end.

When I see the Honey Boo Boos at deluxe WDW resorts I used to wonder where they got their money too. But WITHOUT getting the mods knickers in a twist, it's pretty obvious that many of them are living on high paid government and contracting jobs that have opened in the defense sector since 9/11.
Shhhh... The masses will figure out tjat defense spending killed the economy worse than the housing bubblem
 

Californian Elitist

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No silly...I was comparing almost injured to almost pregnant. I'm not going to waste my time trying to point out the difference. If you want to be upset about my comments, by all means have at it.

Who's upset? Funny how you ignored the rest of my comment. You didn't bother answering the first question I asked you.
 
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