Spirited News, Observations & Thoughts IV

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Figments Friend

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Supertalented artist Claire Keane left Walt Disney Animation last week.
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/animator...aire-keane-leaves-disney-animation-89321.html
claire-and-mural.jpg

Dear John,
Talent retention is really important.
Sincerely,
The Dreamfinder

Wow...great mural there.
Is this at WDFA, or somewhere else?
 

Figments Friend

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Another huge problem with Disney is they have the right tools...they just do not know how to properly use them. Hammering nails with a wrench and digging hole with a screwdriver. OH...and the tools are pure gold and borrowed/acquired from someone else.

Absolutely true.
Great way of putting it.

I hope our friendly neighborhood readers 'out there' watching from afar are paying attention.
;)
 

asianway

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Yeah there isn't a tax advantage by participating in a buy back. Historically you actually should not sell back to the company because it advantageous to wait. Perhaps @ford91exploder is thinking of executive compensation in the form of options and shares. When you cash those out in the market you are taxed at the capital gains rate which is lower than your personal income bracket.
At the time of a simple stock grant, they are usually considered wages and taxable when any vesting limitations lapse....

http://www.irs.gov/publications/p525/ar02.html#en_US_2012_publink1000229198

Capital gains would come into play for value increases that happen after the time of vesting.
 

Californian Elitist

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If "new and original" is a Marvel park, hellz no!

I agree, a Marvel gate wouldn't be considered new and original, but at least it has never been done before (by Disney), unlike WestCot, which is an imitator of Epcot. I'm not saying I want the third gate to be Marvel, I would just like the third to be themed to something that Disney's never done before, which means no Animal Kingdom, Disney Sea or Epcot.
 

GiveMeTheMusic

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A Marvel 3rd gate for DLR would need to be so incredibly mind-blowing that it would attract guests even if popularity of the property waned. It would need to be TDS level from Day 1.
 

doctornick

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A Marvel 3rd gate for DLR would need to be so incredibly mind-blowing that it would attract guests even if popularity of the property waned. It would need to be TDS level from Day 1.

I don't see having a Marvel exclusive theme for a park working well in the long run (and I say that as a big Marvel fan). It would be great as a large land in a park (or multiple mini-land) but there would have to be other concepts that are involved to make the park work and be successful. I think the more likely plan would be to have an "adventure" oriented park with Marvel as part of it. Certainly that could -- and should -- include new ideas but some stuff could be borrowed from other Disney parks, like Mysterious Island or Mystic Point...







....and maybe even Avatar
 
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nytimez

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I agree, a Marvel gate wouldn't be considered new and original, but at least it has never been done before (by Disney), unlike WestCot, which is an imitator of Epcot. I'm not saying I want the third gate to be Marvel, I would just like the third to be themed to something that Disney's never done before, which means no Animal Kingdom, Disney Sea or Epcot.

I'd agree with that in principle. I guess I just don't believe any new Disney park wouldn't focus heavily on IPs (especially recently acquired ones) and cloned/re-themed rides, even if the park design or concept itself is allegedly "new."

But hey, Disney - go ahead and prove me wrong.
 

Future Guy

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If WDC execs really are reading, then I just want to say this: I'm very much a creature of habit. When I find a product I like, be it a brand of sneakers or a certain cartoon-mouse-themed vacation compound, I tend to stick with it and it's very hard to un-stick me. And until MyMagic+, I was still prepared to fork over my money to Disney for a WDW vacation, even though I knew it was overpriced, even though they'd spent the last 15 or so years systematically ruining my favorite park, EPCOT. There were still enough things I enjoyed at the Magic Kingdom and the other parks that I could justify the overblown prices. But now MyMagic+ is basically going to make it much more complicated and difficult to enjoy those things, and that's the final straw for me. I'm totally done with Walt Disney World at this point. They've lost me as a customer. There are plenty of places in Florida that offer a more affordable and relaxing vacation, and from now on they'll be getting my money.

I realize that even if a Disney executive reads this they won't care, because the parks have basically shifted to the Wal-Mart philosophy where it doesn't matter how many customers you drive away with an unpleasant experience because there are always more to take their place. I also realize that the executives don't care that this philosophy is not sustainable and will hurt the company in the long term because the idea of time as something that extends past the current fiscal quarter is completely alien to them. I have no stake in the financial health of Disney's Parks and Resorts division, so if they want to pull a Microsoft and let themselves sink to second or third place in an industry they once dominated, it makes no difference in my life. Yeah, I'm kind of sad that the place I used to enjoy so much doesn't really exist anymore, but I'll get over it. After all, life's too short to spend every vacation in the Central Florida swamps.
 

muteki

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I agree, a Marvel gate wouldn't be considered new and original, but at least it has never been done before (by Disney), unlike WestCot, which is an imitator of Epcot. I'm not saying I want the third gate to be Marvel, I would just like the third to be themed to something that Disney's never done before, which means no Animal Kingdom, Disney Sea or Epcot.
If a new WestCot would imitate old EPCOT...that would be quite new and original.
 

GeneralKnowledge

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I agree, a Marvel gate wouldn't be considered new and original, but at least it has never been done before (by Disney), unlike WestCot, which is an imitator of Epcot.

I can't even imagine what an Epcot imitator would be like.... a watered down emptier version of an already watered down, empty park? They could put up just turnstiles and a sign and it could be considered an Epcot imitator.
 

wdwfan4ver

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Maybe not necessary. But if that third gate is Westcot? Hells yeah.
Such a beast can't exist as a 3rd gate for Disneyland because of the amount of land it takes it. Remember one of the reasons Westcot wasn't built back in the 1990's was the fact it needed 150 acres of land based on what was planned for it at the time.

Both of us know that Disneyland doesn't have the land Walt Disney World has. It is possible for Disney to buy land for a third 3rd theme park for Disneyland resort, but expecting Disney to buy around 150 acres under the people that are currently running the Disney Disney Company isn't realistic.

This isn't even looking at the cost of building Westcot in today's dollars.
 
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ford91exploder

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Yeah there isn't a tax advantage by participating in a buy back. Historically you actually should not sell back to the company because it advantageous to wait. Perhaps @ford91exploder is thinking of executive compensation in the form of options and shares. When you cash those out in the market you are taxed at the capital gains rate which is lower than your personal income bracket.


Correct - That is EXACTLY what I was driving at. Recall at TWDC only the the exec suite gets options/shares.
 

misterID

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Whoa....
While i agree that the Original Imagination Pavilion was the greatest addition to EPCOT ever, i am surprised by your comment.

Greater then Horizons...?

:jawdrop:

HA!

No, not better than Horizons, but the whole Horizons fiasco (and lies!) really gets to me so it's best I not think about it too much. The only thing I can hope for is that when HP's contract expires they turn it into a real Space pavilion. M:S is a nice little ride, but it's forgettable... that is, if it doesn't make you sick.
 

nytimez

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Such a beast can't exist as a 3rd gate for Disneyland because of the amount of land it takes it. Remember one of the reasons Westcot wasn't built back in the 1990's was the fact it needed 150 acres of land based on what was planned for it at the time.

Both of us know that Disneyland doesn't have the land Walt Disney World has. It is possible for Disney to buy land for a third 3rd theme park for Disneyland resort, but expecting Disney to buy around 150 acres under the people that are currently running the Disney Disney Company isn't realistic.

This isn't even looking at the cost of building Westcot in today's dollars.

It used to be kinda fun to do the impossible.

;)
 

WDW1974

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Spirited Lunchtime Musings:

Speaking of weak, anyone watching old pal Tom Amity's meltdown in the Twitverse? Apparently, he hates Andy Castro and @lentesta ... someone needs to 'splain to him a very basic of social media and that is if you place something out for the world to see then it is not private in the least.

More importantly, been sitting on this for a while, but word is that Touring Plans ed the folks at CP/TDO off and they are no longer being credentialed for anything. Any comments @lentesta?

Not much here of interest going on really and I can't make it up to make folks happy ... I suppose I could go back and forth with the defenders of (blank) on that thread regarding Disney requiring a CC depo for any meal anywhere that is full serve. But I do feel like if they don't get it now, they never will.
 
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WDW1974

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If I recall correctly Spirit said that things would get worse before they get better. The worst thing we can do now is succumb to despair, Anything can happen. We helped kill the interactive queue aspect of NextGen this week so we are not powerless. I am doing my part by severely minimizing my business with WDC since that is the only way to get their attention.

You understand me to a point ... I absolutely think minimizing your $$$s going to WDW Co is a smart move if you feel you are getting poor value for your money and/or not getting what you paid for.

However, I do NOT EVER believe that people should just stop visiting. Disney WANTS that. it does not want discerning guests, longtime guests, guests who understand the Disney Difference isn't letting minimum wage CMs get rooms at the GF for ONLY $330 a night, etc ... they want to replace us with rubes who will listen to Mommy Bloggers and Lou Mongello and simply puke forth that WDW has never been better PR spin.

I also advise people to steal as much Coke as they can at any resort that still has the free refills sans RFID chips!:devilish::D:cool:
 

alphac2005

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If WDC execs really are reading, then I just want to say this: I'm very much a creature of habit. When I find a product I like, be it a brand of sneakers or a certain cartoon-mouse-themed vacation compound, I tend to stick with it and it's very hard to un-stick me. And until MyMagic+, I was still prepared to fork over my money to Disney for a WDW vacation, even though I knew it was overpriced, even though they'd spent the last 15 or so years systematically ruining my favorite park, EPCOT. There were still enough things I enjoyed at the Magic Kingdom and the other parks that I could justify the overblown prices. But now MyMagic+ is basically going to make it much more complicated and difficult to enjoy those things, and that's the final straw for me. I'm totally done with Walt Disney World at this point. They've lost me as a customer. There are plenty of places in Florida that offer a more affordable and relaxing vacation, and from now on they'll be getting my money.

I realize that even if a Disney executive reads this they won't care, because the parks have basically shifted to the Wal-Mart philosophy where it doesn't matter how many customers you drive away with an unpleasant experience because there are always more to take their place. I also realize that the executives don't care that this philosophy is not sustainable and will hurt the company in the long term because the idea of time as something that extends past the current fiscal quarter is completely alien to them. I have no stake in the financial health of Disney's Parks and Resorts division, so if they want to pull a Microsoft and let themselves sink to second or third place in an industry they once dominated, it makes no difference in my life. Yeah, I'm kind of sad that the place I used to enjoy so much doesn't really exist anymore, but I'll get over it. After all, life's too short to spend every vacation in the Central Florida swamps.

Thank you. I think many of us are of the same vein and appreciated the same things at WDW, but have seen the complete collapse as you. Our family no longer gives a cent to the the World's Vacation Kingdom. If they ever get some sense and restore things to a where they should be, we'd be willing to again. Otherwise, the world is vast and there are too many other fantastic sites to see and experience.
 

WDWFanDave

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Back to topics about WDW...

Another observation on our visit last week...where in the heck were the Photopass Photographers? Sure, there were some there, but nowhere near as many as last year. Last year, not only were they everywhere, but they were actively encouraging folks to use the service.

This year, no discounted offers, price has gone up drastically, and no service.

Seems to be a trend.

Anyone have anything different for a recent experience?
 
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