Spirited News, Observations & Thoughts IV

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ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I think the first thing we need to all understand is there is no war. They all build we all win

Also Disney is planning many things down the road....we just have to wait longer than we'd all like


Yes we need bathrooms at WDW that is a win for those with weak bladders, Meantime more and more people go to UNI for 2-3 days now, Eventually the momentum will shift to UNI and the Disney parks will be sold to Cedar Fair or Six Flags after the Weatherman makes it a self-fufilling prophecy that the parks are a 'declining business' Or they raze the parks and build The Disney Casino and Hotel complex.
 

WDWDad13

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Yes we need bathrooms at WDW that is a win for those with weak bladders, Meantime more and more people go to UNI for 2-3 days now, Eventually the momentum will shift to UNI and the Disney parks will be sold to Cedar Fair or Six Flags after the Weatherman makes it a self-fufilling prophecy that the parks are a 'declining business' Or they raze the parks and build The Disney Casino and Hotel complex.

wow....just.....wow :banghead:
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
So I just found out about those big "mega attractions" coming to Universal in the next few years:

-Jurassic park is basically gonna become Dinoland U.S.A. with new Carnival games and more food/merchandise carts where carnival hucksters can sell more crap to people. This is in addition to the random hair braiding stations and rock climbing wall that are junking up that area BTW. The big "e-ticket" will be a roller coaster thats themed to look like its racing through an amber mine. Universal is also considering adding a spinner to the land. What any of this has to do with the theme of a zoological theme park filled with Dinosaurs I have no idea. Forget any dreams that they would dig out lavish concepts like the Jeep adventure or Helicoptours or some new Dinosaur adventure.

-IOA will also be getitng a Lorax 3D movie in Suess Landing.


Seems like after Harry Potter Universal is gonna start following the Eisner/Iger model of doing business.


Maybe you're a Universal insider and I missed the memo. If you have a track record I'm not aware of, I apologize. But I have to ask the eternal question...

Source?

Hopefully this is not the equivalent of asking Lee for a source.
 

BrightImagine

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Funny you should mention Bronie at this point. This past weekend in Raleigh, they had a Bronie convention. The TV cameras scanned the audience and honest to god I have never seen such a large group of losers in my life. It really was sad, and the news people kept making remarks about how weird it was and even at one point used the expression...Ewww!

I felt bad for these people whose problem was probably "arrested development" but they were not harming anyone else. They looked like lonely, sad and dysfunctional human beings desperately searching for friends and people to share things with. I got to thinking how lucky I have been in my life to not be dependent on stuff like that for my self worth. I've had a good career, a great family, a marriage that in spite of ending, did last 29 years and produced two great girls who have since produced 4 grandchildren for me to laugh, play and share with. I spend entirely to much time on this board and others, but since I am retired I no longer have the stimulation of interacting with people on a constant basis. This is as close as I can get to it.

All of us, and that includes the most sanctimonious of the posters here, and at other places, have some sort of socializing problem whether we care to admit it or not. From those like myself that readily admit that, for the moment, I have nothing else to do to those that would have you believe that they are the most sought after, highly productive people on the planet, yet can find the time to respond and comment almost continuously. To clarify, I don't have a problem with people obsessing about Disney, but I do respect those that take ownership of the fact they all of us have a degree of obsession. There is nothing wrong with that until we start to point out fingers at others the have the same or like obsession, but take a different route and call them either mentally ill or developmentally stifled. Believe me, to the outside world, to the people that have real challenges and really important things to accomplish in life, it is pretty likely the problems of Guests at any Disney Park, the condition of the light bulbs, the idea that a ride breaks down more then we would like, is not even anyplace on their radar. We are indeed a group of misfits that are relegated to our own self imposed island and could easily be looked upon, by them, as mentally ill and developmentally challenged.

I don't see anything wrong with us having that obsession. As was stated before we could be doing a lot worse but we have followed this relatively isolated hobby all the time remembering that it was all started by a cartoon mouse. We are not correcting the world and it's problems, but also are not hurting it with any degree of noticeable damage. When someone mentions that they wouldn't be surprised to see a life-styler involved in something much more serious someday, there is a pretty good chance that anyone of us might have that mutant gene just waiting to surface. That is something that can happen within any group of people. To quote the shadow..."who knows what evil lurks within the hearts of men".

When you think about it we are all fighting and arguing about a damn Theme Park. People are out there without the proper shelter and nourishment or clothing. There are people in the world being attacked by chemical warfare, oppressed by power mongers, suffering from natural disasters that have no end, and we as a society spend a large chunk of our day wondering what happened to Miley, and particularly us, we are constantly fighting to get a place like the Disney Company to go back to the original ideals that created the place that we call Disney. It's not going to happen, it's a different world so instead of beating our heads against the wall worrying about FP's, light bulbs, $600.00 hotel rooms perhaps we should advance our own development and try to help a failing world. Basically, I just realized just how little I am contributing to anything by being involved in this stuff. I have managed to take something that I used to find as a great way to shield myself from real life and made it as frustrating as real life. I have managed to zap the fun and joy out of something that I used to call a great part of my life, a part that I used to look forward too. Something just seems wrong doesn't it? Is it them or is it us? I don't have the answer to that.

I've been reading this site much longer than my login indicates, and this is the best post I've ever read here. Thank you so much.
 

Lee

Adventurer
So I just found out about those big "mega attractions" coming to Universal in the next few years:

-Jurassic park is basically gonna become Dinoland U.S.A. with new Carnival games and more food/merchandise carts where carnival hucksters can sell more crap to people. This is in addition to the random hair braiding stations and rock climbing wall that are junking up that area BTW. The big "e-ticket" will be a roller coaster thats themed to look like its racing through an amber mine. Universal is also considering adding a spinner to the land. What any of this has to do with the theme of a zoological theme park filled with Dinosaurs I have no idea. Forget any dreams that they would dig out lavish concepts like the Jeep adventure or Helicoptours or some new Dinosaur adventure.

-IOA will also be getitng a Lorax 3D movie in Suess Landing.


Seems like after Harry Potter Universal is gonna start following the Eisner/Iger model of doing business.
I'm not so sure you are exactly right...

I have art for the amber mine coaster. Looks fantastic, but I last heard they were going another direction.
And the Lorax attraction, as I hear it, is a ride, not a movie (though with some 3D elements).

And then there are the big plans for Toon Lagoon for 2017 or so....
 

neoshinok

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Since we've been on the topic of gambling and adult-themed entertainment and the Disney image, I note that Holly Madison is having a Rapunzel-themed wedding at Disneyland next week. Needless to say, getting married at Disneyland is not only expensive, but also subject to the Disney company's final approval.

Per Wikipedia, Holly is "widely known for being one of Hugh Hefner's girlfriends on the reality television series The Girls Next Door," also known as The Girls of the Playboy Mansion. Although she was not a Playboy Playmate, "she has appeared in nude pictorials with her Girls Next Door costars, Bridget Marquardt and Kendra Wilkinson." Holly also "starred in a topless burlesque show called Peepshow at Planet Hollywood in Las Vegas." (She has a previous tie to the Disney company -- she appeared on the eighth season of ABC's Dancing with the Stars.)

Not that I think appearing in a nude pictorial or a reality TV show about life in the Playboy Mansion is morally abhorrent, but it's certainly not something that resonates strongly with the traditional image that the Disney company had in Walt Disney's lifetime. And Ms. Madison seems nice enough, but if I were explaining to my child who this lucky person is who's getting married at Disneyland, I would probably leave out the part about the nude pictorials and the topless burlesque and such.

I saw Holly being escorted by a CM through Adventureland in WDW a couple years ago. I nearly pointed her out to my girlfriend, but quickly realized explaining who she was and how I knew wouldn't go well...:facepalm:
 

lazyboy97o

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The "Amber Coaster" sounds like it's something along the lines of the Seven Dwarves Mine Coaster...which is a ride that constantly gets panned and mocked by Universal fans (and it hasn't even opened yet).
Discussions of the Amber Mine coaster have always been something of substance, moving through mine spaces but in a family friendly coaster. There is substance to the idea. Seven Dwarfs Mine Train is being sold as some amazing new revelation but is based primarily around the swinging gimmick, not the substance of the ride or show scenes.
 

Soarin' Over Pgh

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I'm not so sure you are exactly right...

I have art for the amber mine coaster. Looks fantastic, but I last heard they were going another direction.
And the Lorax attraction, as I hear it, is a ride, not a movie (though with some 3D elements).

And then there are the big plans for Toon Lagoon for 2017 or so....


More please. :)

Any photos you can share with the class?
 

maxairmike

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So I just found out about those big "mega attractions" coming to Universal in the next few years:

-Jurassic park is basically gonna become Dinoland U.S.A. with new Carnival games and more food/merchandise carts where carnival hucksters can sell more crap to people. This is in addition to the random hair braiding stations and rock climbing wall that are junking up that area BTW. The big "e-ticket" will be a roller coaster thats themed to look like its racing through an amber mine. Universal is also considering adding a spinner to the land. What any of this has to do with the theme of a zoological theme park filled with Dinosaurs I have no idea. Forget any dreams that they would dig out lavish concepts like the Jeep adventure or Helicoptours or some new Dinosaur adventure.

-IOA will also be getitng a Lorax 3D movie in Suess Landing.


Seems like after Harry Potter Universal is gonna start following the Eisner/Iger model of doing business.

You're a little off on most everything here, but Lee already covered the big point of Lorax being a dark ride, not a 3D movie. Also, do you understand John Hammond and the kind of plans he had for Jurassic Park? Unfortunately Dinorama is similar in concept to the amusement side of JP that would have happened, just in a more lush setting. Unlike Lee, though, I do believe the amber mine coaster is still a "go," just with some significant changes.
 

71jason

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And the Lorax attraction, as I hear it, is a ride, not a movie (though with some 3D elements).

@HTF (aka "HatetoFLy") has a better track record with Universal info than anyone--even a certain Spirit--and he has outlined the whole ride on his own personal discussion board. Won't steal hits from him with details, but this isn't another 3D movie.

As for JP ... well Springfield shows Universal knows how to do a glorified food court right. They've earned a certain amount of good will before I start comparing their new project to the Worst. Land. Ever. At least let's see some concept art...

So Lee, it's definitely the Lagoon not Lost Continent that's on the chopping block? If so, doubt it will be LotR (that would be three psuedo-historical fantasy lands in one park). Any hints, or is this another riddle from you?
 

twebber55

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I'm not so sure you are exactly right...

I have art for the amber mine coaster. Looks fantastic, but I last heard they were going another direction.
And the Lorax attraction, as I hear it, is a ride, not a movie (though with some 3D elements).

And then there are the big plans for Toon Lagoon for 2017 or so....
if something is going down for 2017 or so for toon lagoon i would think we would hear something in 2014 of what exactly it is
 

Lee

Adventurer
@HTF (aka "HatetoFLy") has a better track record with Universal info than anyone--even a certain Spirit--and he has outlined the whole ride on his own personal discussion board. Won't steal hits from him with details, but this isn't another 3D movie.

As for JP ... well Springfield shows Universal knows how to do a glorified food court right. They've earned a certain amount of good will before I start comparing their new project to the Worst. Land. Ever. At least let's see some concept art...

So Lee, it's definitely the Lagoon not Lost Continent that's on the chopping block? If so, doubt it will be LotR (that would be three psuedo-historical fantasy lands in one park). Any hints, or is this another riddle from you?
Yeah, Lagoon seems to be next.
I don't know any more than '74 about which IP they will choose...but all the options are good.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
wow....just.....wow :banghead:

Why the surprise, It's obvious that WDW is on a declining trajectory, there is no investment in WDW other than the glorified stroller parking lot known as 'New Fantasyland' which BTW bumped park 'capacity' by about 10K due to increase in square footage which enabled sales of more tickets per day, Meanwhile the 'other' parks are now seen as 'half-day' parks by visitors.

I'm not a 'Thrill' ride guy so UNI has little interest for me, I've always just enjoyed wandering the parks looking for new details how imagineering made subtle changes to keep things fresh. I don't see that anymore and I have not for years, Parades have always been a big deal at Disney now the old one is going offline for 3 months!, MSEP while not the equal of Spectromagic has a retro charm and now it's going away so they can get double use of the daytime floats. YUCK!

The only REAL money spent by WDW is on the Magic Minus system, And there they are working with distinctly unmagical folks - That tech will be for sale to governments probably the first deployments will be in schools to track attendance among other things.

So sale of the park properties or conversion to a Casino complex would not surprise me in the least. Disney always buys the best politicians.

I for one don't have a lot of optimism about WDW's future
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
@HTF (aka "HatetoFLy") has a better track record with Universal info than anyone--even a certain Spirit--and he has outlined the whole ride on his own personal discussion board. Won't steal hits from him with details, but this isn't another 3D movie.

As for JP ... well Springfield shows Universal knows how to do a glorified food court right. They've earned a certain amount of good will before I start comparing their new project to the Worst. Land. Ever. At least let's see some concept art...

So Lee, it's definitely the Lagoon not Lost Continent that's on the chopping block? If so, doubt it will be LotR (that would be three psuedo-historical fantasy lands in one park). Any hints, or is this another riddle from you?


Link please?
 

Captain Chaos

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I am curious to see what the response to these Universal moves will be from the ranks of those who think Universal can do no wrong and that Disney can't do anything right. Universal never built the Jurassic Park Jeep Ride that people have been dreaming about riding since the first movie came out back in 1993...and they never built that helicopter simulator ride that sounded amazing. The "Amber Coaster" sounds like it's something along the lines of the Seven Dwarves Mine Coaster...which is a ride that constantly gets panned and mocked by Universal fans (and it hasn't even opened yet). A Lorax 3D-movie sounds lame...but would indeed be a great dark ride. Universal seems to rely a lot on 3D motion simulators, but the anti-Disney crowd never seems to criticize Universal for always repeating the 3D movie thing instead of doing a well-designed dark ride.

7D gets reamed because it is taking Disney 3 years to build a family coaster (I won't call it a kiddie coaster)... Universal, IF they are going to build that Amber Mine Train coaster, will build it in half that time... THAT is why the ride gets panned... Cause Disney sleepwalks through construction timeframes...

And again, Lorax will NOT be a 3D movie... it WILL be a family dark ride... Neo is wrong...

Whatever happened to that "Grinch Mountain" coaster that Universal was supposed to build for an expansion of the Seuss Landing area? When Disney "goes cheap" and doesn't build something impressive and instead chooses a cheaper option, it gets pummeled...so will Universal get any flack for not building the "Grinch coaster" and instead going cheap with yet another 3D movie ride? I think some people have too much fun bashing Disney's every move to hold Universal equally accountable.
Well Universal is NOT going cheap with just another 3D movie... Lorax, once again, will be a DARK RIDE.. let's let that sink in... A DARK RIDE... And will build and open that dark ride quicker than Disney did with a cloned dark ride in fantasyland (Mermaid)...
 
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