Animaniac93-98
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I wasn't talking about casinos, but media in the form of movies/TV.
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Spirited News, Observations & Thoughts IV
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I wasn't talking about casinos, but media in the form of movies/TV.
Goofyernmost
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Sorry, I accidentally used the wrong quote. I fixed it.
flynnibus
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It is germane - because your concern ignores that the company explicitly said it would not meddle in marvels core. Right from the get go everyone knew so much of the core marvel library did not fit the traditional Disney image.
Are you as equally surprised Disney has not jettisoned Marvel's 'un-disney' characters and storylines?
nytimez
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There are a lot of posts in this thread and I don't read them all myself so it's possible you missed it - but the Marvel gambling license extends to online gambling.
ParentsOf4
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Disney doesn't pay any taxes. Ultimately, it's the "guest" that pays all taxes.
In the case of a cash room, Disney passes its tax burden onto the "guest" via higher room rates and then takes the tax credit for the tax that effectively was paid by the "guest".
In the case of a DVC room, the DVC member pays those taxes through their annual Maintenance Fee. It's the DVC member that then gets to take the tax deduction, not Disney.
Captain Neo
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That Spider-Man Slot machine is clearly based on the Spider man films which would mean that it was approved by Sony not Disney
Rodan75
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I think this tread has jumped the spirit. Time for Spirited news V: the Empire Strikes Back
So are the decision makers on Parks projects in decision mode,or have they started to clamp down on their WDI leak machine? (Or are they all on vacation?). Beginning to feel like only the most disgruntled of TWDC folks are talking anymore. The leaks seem to be slowing on the Uni side too...
So are the decision makers on Parks projects in decision mode,or have they started to clamp down on their WDI leak machine? (Or are they all on vacation?). Beginning to feel like only the most disgruntled of TWDC folks are talking anymore. The leaks seem to be slowing on the Uni side too...
That is one thing that sets DCL apart. And they have made a very big deal about it (again: Disney says gambling is bad and not a family business). I am not big on gambling because I once had a top Vegas casino exec tell me that using his slots was throwing my money out. I figured he knew what he was talking about. Blackjack is OK in small doses as is sports gaming. But I don't take a cruise to gamble. I never use the casinos when take lines that have them.
That's what it is : urban legend. Much greater chance the monorails will leave, than gambling will EVER come.
GoofGoof
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Yep. Huge line for the bathrooms at Moe's Tavern last night.
At the end of the day (today), all I can really say is you are missing the point. I don't think it's deliberate on your part, you just don't get it.
And I am not going to make you get it. I can tell you as someone who has followed Disney and gambling for decades that this really is a huge deal and if you don't see it, then you don't.
These are Disney characters marketed largely to children that are being used in gambling activities. You either get why that is potentially devastating to the company or you don't.
But I can practically guarantee you of one thing: and that is if a major media outlet exposed this hypocrisy on Disney's part those machines and lotto deals would end very quickly.
It all depends. But if you are asking if these are deals made post 2009, then the answer is yes.
I have heard of these as well. But Disney just bought Lucasfilm. And it could sever those ties as well.
It has owned Marvel for four years now. Those lotto deals were made in the last few years as were many of these other licensing choices.
ParentsOf4
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Let's use a simple example at Bay Lake Tower (BLT) vs. the Contemporary.
We have a family that wants to vacation annually during February break in a Deluxe Resort. They want to stay in a Magic Kingdom View room at either BLT or the Contemporary. They can pay cash every year or buy DVC.
Because it's during Spring Break, WDW rarely offers "Room Only" discounts. They don't need to; WDW is very popular during Spring Break. In 2014, a Magic Kingdom View room at the Contemporary costs $5337/week or $762/night. (For one ordinary hotel room!) Even if by a stroke of good fortune they somehow manage to score a 30% "Room Only" discount for Spring Break, it's still $534/night!
Incrementally, it costs Disney about $30/night to service that one room. With or without discount, Disney is making a boatload of money off that family in just one week (either $5127 or $3528, depending on whether they were able to obtain a "Room Only" discount.).
Instead, that family decides to take the DVC plunge and foolishly agree to pay Disney's ridiculous direct price of $165/point for BLT. It's going to take 183 points to stay in a comparable room at BLT, or a purchase price of $30,195. Disney is making some serious money off them without even a single stay.
After that, Disney collects an annual Maintenance Fee (MF) of $4.50/point. For 183 points, that's $824, a fraction of what the cash room costs and an even smaller fraction of what they paid upfront. So, even if you want to pretend that half the MF is "profit" (which it's not), Disney is making hundreds on DVC MF vs. thousands on a cash room vs. tens of thousands on the initial DVC purchase.
So, to your point @GoofGoof , DVC's profits are heavily frontloaded. With DVC, Disney sacrifices long-term profits for short-term profits.
That's not germane at all.
Disney has often put out films with adult themes (Snow White to start with). I recently watched Atlantis (2001) for the first time and saw they had a major character smoking (often). But Disney isn't about to get in bed with Big Tobacco are they?
Comics are aimed largely at boys. Boys who can not by law use slot machines or buy lotto tickets.
I know you like to dance, but you must see the difference.
nytimez
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May I suggest an edit to that sentence? "With DVC, as with everything else..."
Nope.
Ultimately, Disney has control over all the characters in terms of how they are used. It is the same with the theme park deal with UNI.
Sony could decide that Spidey was going to moonlight as a gay prostitute and get hooked on meth and that film would never get made.
flynnibus
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I think you don't know marvel
No, I don't see a Spirited V.
And nothing, to my knowledge has changed, for both Disney and UNI.
There will be a Disney announcement (definitely Anaheim, but likely Florida as well) in the next six weeks or so.
The question isn't whether I know marvel (and I do). The question is do you know Disney and its history and stance on gambling?
If you do, then this is very simple and we stop dancing.
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