Spirited News & Observations II -- NGE/Baxter

WDW1974

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One of the fallacies used to defend today's uber rich is that they are risking their own money. Bob Iger is a prime example of this fallacy. He has collected over $200M while running TWDC, basically taking no personal risk while playing with other people's money. (Don't get me started on the no-risk stock options he received.)

Last year alone, Iger collected $40M in total compensation, a 20% pay increase, while simultaneously looking to shed 10% of TWDC's work force.

The imbalance between the haves and the have not has not been this extreme since the days of the Robber Barons. Where is Teddy Roosevelt when you need him?

In the glory days of U.S. business, the typical CEO made about 20 times the average factory worker. Iger's CEO-to-CM compensation ratio is around 2000-to-1.

P.S. Walt Disney, who built the company with his own sweat, risking his money countless times, never collected more than about $150,000 in annual compensation, approximately $1M adjusted for inflation.

PLEASE, READ THIS!!!

Let it soak in before you spout off about how companies should be allowed to do whatever they want and workers can simply go elsewhere or start their own business.
 

WDW1974

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Thus far I have not seen anyone else's info, but it made me wonder - Would I know if someone else could see mine? Would I be missing info like others are or would everything look fine to meanwhile someone else somewhere is checking out my vacation plans rather than their own? I must say I am very glad that I did not put a credit card on there.

No. There's no way for you to know. ... Disney likes that too.

The only way you know for sure there's an issue is if either someone else's info appears on your screen or someone pulls up yours and decides to contact you and let you know (most folks wouldn't do that because it could appear creepy!)
 

WDW1974

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Back to Tony Baxter (a spirited obeservation), I'm suprised that they didn't show that Barnabus T. Bullion portrait when they filmed that behind the scenes vid with the Imagineers. That and the mountain portrait were one of the first few items shown that were going to be present in the queue and in the video they talked about pretty much everything except that portrait that is referenced to Mr.Baxter. Again I'm sure it's just an oversimplification, but I don't know why they didn't show that portrait in that vid be it that it's his attraction. Maybe they haven't put it up yet Idk. @Figments Friend, got a take on this. Plus maybe they wanted to focus on the majority other queue enhancements as well.

No. Disney doesn't want people to realize that Tony exists right now. It was purposely left out.
 

WDW1974

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People who blame their woes on Wall Street, Corporate culture, or anything else for that matter are losers who are just making excuses for not getting the job done. Most people just don't want to put the work in to overcome a stacked deck, and then look for someone to blame. I say plow that deck over and laugh at everyone after you do it. Anyone CAN do it, most people make a choice not to. I know this point of view won't win me any brownie points here. But that's okay too.

No, it won't. ... It makes no sense whatsoever. It's that old BS line of American's rugged individualism that can see us through anything ... or if we need any help, just pray (let's forget about the great minority in this country who do not believe in God anymore than they believe in the Tooth Fairy!) ... you talk of overcoming a stacked deck. How exactly does one do so? The whole point is the deck is stacked, the game is fixed and you can't win. Do you cheat, lie and steal? Since that is what the deck stackers do?

No, Matt, sorry but everyone/anyone can't overcome a stacked deck. A vast majority of people can't ... vast ... I don't even know why you'd suggest otherwise. It's nonsensical.

This discussion is honestly heading in a direction I don't want to waste my time with.
 

WDW1974

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Good analogy 74, about cuts done to parts of a body with muscle, bone and vitals. Though in my opinion, i'd argue that "vital organs" have already been compromised or removed. Epcot feels a lot like that- as if it was a healthy body that had important parts of it damaged or removed. All of the attractions cut out and/or replaced by inferior ones in the 90's feels like that, as if the place was partially lobotomized and had its heart removed while either not putting anything back in, or replacing the organs with worse substitutes that don't work as well. So to me, cutting into and either damaging or removing the vital organs has already happened. In my opinion anyways.

But what in your opinion is a vital organ at WDW? I think it has already started happening, but i'd to know what you think constitutes being vital.

Oh, it absolutely has. When you start having safety issues and then show quality issues ... and upkeep issues ... and the details are no longer important. So whether it's a filthy hot monorail with duct tape on a seat or a surly/smarmy CM at City Hall or an inedible meal at Cosmic Ray's or workers in street clothes or using smartphones on stage or show buildings that are hot because Disney is trying to save money on electricty ... all of it could be termed vital organs because it all adds up to what USED to set WDW apart from all others. WDW used to be a different place and all of the little things added up to a greater whole. Now, I get a kick out of it when people talk about WDW being an escape from the real world.

Sorry, Pixie Dusters, but WDW long ago invited the real world right down MSUSA ...
 

the.dreamfinder

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Maybe it's all some sort of elaborate and detailed commentary on population growth, sustainable agriculture and water usage.

wall-e-human.jpg
 

the.dreamfinder

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I strongly believe WALL-E is definitely a depiction of what the future may very well be like at the rate we are going as a society.
Agreed.

I also think it says a lot about Steve Jobs and Bob Iger.
Steve Jobs, as well as Catmull and Lasseter, greenlighted this film. It's a film about the dangers of mindlessly worshipping technology to the point of subservience/slavery.
These three individuals understand the implications and uses of technology far better than Iger.

Iger blindly worships technology.
 

Figments Friend

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Back to Tony Baxter (a spirited obeservation), I'm suprised that they didn't show that Barnabus T. Bullion portrait when they filmed that behind the scenes vid with the Imagineers. That and the mountain portrait were one of the first few items shown that were going to be present in the queue and in the video they talked about pretty much everything except that portrait that is referenced to Mr.Baxter. Again I'm sure it's just an oversimplification, but I don't know why they didn't show that portrait in that vid be it that it's his attraction. Maybe they haven't put it up yet Idk. @Figments Friend, got a take on this. Plus maybe they wanted to focus on the majority other queue enhancements as well.

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That portrait...maybe it is just me, but i do not see Tony in that painting. I see Donald Sutherland..!

Wrong...so wrong..i know...but when i see it, that is who i think of.

Maybe if i saw Tony in a cranky mood i might see a resemblance in the painting , but i tend to see him in a much happier state of being. The seedy glare of the greedy prospecter character shown in that picture kinda leaves me a little cold.

Regardless of my take on it, i do think it was a nice gesture to incorporate some type of homage into the queue honoring Mr. Baxter.

I do hope however that it is not the only honor the man receives....
 

Figments Friend

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Good analogy 74, about cuts done to parts of a body with muscle, bone and vitals. Though in my opinion, i'd argue that "vital organs" have already been compromised or removed. Epcot feels a lot like that- as if it was a healthy body that had important parts of it damaged or removed. All of the attractions cut out and/or replaced by inferior ones in the 90's feels like that, as if the place was partially lobotomized and had its heart removed while either not putting anything back in, or replacing the organs with worse substitutes that don't work as well. So to me, cutting into and either damaging or removing the vital organs has already happened. In my opinion anyways.

A excellent way of putting it, and i agree ...exspecially with the Imagination Pavillion.

Why oh why does Disney keep surpressing progress on that place? Why do they purposely and (seemingly) maliciously hold back those who want to ( or wanted to...before leaving...) the folks who desire to FIX IT..and fix it good?

Argh.....politics....
 

MattM

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Oh, and a great society never exists that doesn't take care of all of its people.

In the interest of not clogging up this thread, I only quoted this last tid-bit. Hope that's ok.

I don't know when flipping burgers at McD's became frowned upon in this society. My grandfather did it as a teenager to make money to save for a business idea he had, which he grew to become successful, handed over to may father and made it even more successful, and now he is slowly exiting and I am trying to keep the ball rolling.

Regarding student loans, I say that is the fault of the student, and part of the problem of the "I deserve it" crowd. I deserve to go to that Ivy League school, or prestigious out of state school. There are few instances when taking out 200k in student loans is prudent. MBA from Harvard? Maybe, but probably not. Art History degree from Yale? Absolutely not, what are you going to do with that? When did going to an in-state school, or God forbid, junior/community college become like a four letter word? What's wrong with a Business Administration from a state school down in your neck of the woods? Absolutely nothing. (Although it's not as good as being a Gator Grad ;) ) And when did working in college become burdensome? Too many kids today have no work ethic, and want things handed to them on a plate. My parents could have sent me anywhere I wanted to go. They didn't. I was told to pick a school that I could get a degree from while working simultaneously to pay for it. At the time I hated it, it was hard. But now I thank them for it. I learned a lot in those 4 years. I learned how to manage time, money, social life, and I learned how to win. I plan on doing the same thing with my kids. People think flipping burgers is below them because they keep reading everywhere how it should be below them.

Regarding insurance, you are right. Something has to be done about the skyrocketing cost of healthcare in this country. I don't know when having the government take money away from you and giving it to someone else became compassion? But my question is this: why stop there? Why not take cars from people who have them and give them to others? Or what about your home? I'm sure you don't NEED a home that big, filled with spirited furniture. And further, why do people always find it so easy to be self-righteous with other peoples money? I know it's an overly simplistic point, but I never hear about any pro-healthcare types talking about all that discretionary income they donated to the cause. You just don't hear it. "Take it from him, not me," they say.

You think 250k should bear most of the burden? They do. The top 5% pay over half of all taxes paid in this country. How much is enough? We keep hearing "fair share" in this country. What about those stats are "fair?" Again, it's easy to be self-righteous with other people's money.

I absolutely agree with you that a great society must take care of its own people. But I've never seen where a great government has adequately done the job. The fools who should be taking care of this cannot even pass a budget...their one constitutional duty. And we want to leave taking care of others to them? If government was so good at taking care of their own, wouldn't we be in much better shape by now?
 

MattM

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No, it won't. ... It makes no sense whatsoever. It's that old BS line of American's rugged individualism that can see us through anything ... or if we need any help, just pray (let's forget about the great minority in this country who do not believe in God anymore than they believe in the Tooth Fairy!) ... you talk of overcoming a stacked deck. How exactly does one do so? The whole point is the deck is stacked, the game is fixed and you can't win. Do you cheat, lie and steal? Since that is what the deck stackers do?

No, Matt, sorry but everyone/anyone can't overcome a stacked deck. A vast majority of people can't ... vast ... I don't even know why you'd suggest otherwise. It's nonsensical.

This discussion is honestly heading in a direction I don't want to waste my time with.

To any young people/anyone reading the above:

Don't believe a word of it. I know you're smarter than to believe that. Ask yourself why anyone would even say that? Do they have an interest in you staying down? Why would they want you to give up before you even start? I'll tell you what it is...complete BS. Anybody can do anything they really and truly commit to. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a cancer in your life that should be removed promptly. If you're smart about it, you use statements such as these as motivation. Like I said, the stacked deck excuses are just that. Don't let people who couldn't cut it tell you that you can't either.

Sincerely,

Everyone who "they" said couldn't.
 

the.dreamfinder

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To any young people/anyone reading the above:

Don't believe a word of it. I know you're smarter than to believe that. Ask yourself why anyone would even say that? Do they have an interest in you staying down? Why would they want you to give up before you even start? I'll tell you what it is...complete BS. Anybody can do anything they really and truly commit to. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a cancer in your life that should be removed promptly. If you're smart about it, you use statements such as these as motivation. Like I said, the stacked deck excuses are just that. Don't let people who couldn't cut it tell you that you can't either.

Sincerely,

Everyone who "they" said couldn't.
There's a lot in that statement that I agree with, HOWEVER:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/b...ap-new-veterinarians.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
This is the rule for many legitimate fields, not the exception.
 

HMF

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No, it won't. ... It makes no sense whatsoever. It's that old BS line of American's rugged individualism that can see us through anything ... or if we need any help, just pray (let's forget about the great minority in this country who do not believe in God anymore than they believe in the Tooth Fairy!) ... you talk of overcoming a stacked deck. How exactly does one do so? The whole point is the deck is stacked, the game is fixed and you can't win. Do you cheat, lie and steal? Since that is what the deck stackers do?

No, Matt, sorry but everyone/anyone can't overcome a stacked deck. A vast majority of people can't ... vast ... I don't even know why you'd suggest otherwise. It's nonsensical.

This discussion is honestly heading in a direction I don't want to waste my time with.
Anyone who thinks that just having a strong will equals success and that you will succeed if you just try hard enough is in for a rude awakening some day.
 

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