Spirited News & Observations II -- NGE/Baxter

[jt04]

@articos, @Lee just explained the why's and how's of what happened. I've also seen the story explained by others over the years. In the story of HP winding up in Uni's hands, what don't you believe/buy? It seems perfectly logical and straightforward to me.

But if the mouse truly wanted to keep HP they would have. Point is, they had the resources to take over Orlando tourism at one time. There was even a rumor Disney considered buying Universal outright. They could have done the same with Sea World. At some point they decided to not do that. They stood back while those resorts restored their brands in Orlando. Disney did not have to back off, they choose to. That is the story I think would be fascinating to get the details on and what I was referring to above.

 

[IHeartArt]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/lo...small/-/1637132/19879412/-/we8tl/-/index.html

The 'big' announcement is a play on Monsters Inc. I doubt they have anything of great substance.

Edit: it does seem that day 2 is an Around the World event. I still wouldn't expect much.

I never was with how they're running things these days. :V

 

[RunnerEd]

Well in the spirit of THE SPIRIT, I'm off on my 1% vacation as well....the 1% who have served in the US Military since 9/11. To the cozy garden valley of Kandahar, Afghanistan and areas around there. It will be a short trip, only a month, and I'll have internet so I'll keep checking in and waiting for "Spirited Change."

I would love for Disney to announce a "big" announcement and actually announce something big. Waiting....

 

[George]

But if the mouse truly wanted to keep HP they would have. Point is, they had the resources to take over Orlando tourism at one time. There was even a rumor Disney considered buying Universal outright. They could have done the same with Sea World. At some point they decided to not do that. They stood back while those resorts restored their brands in Orlando. Disney did not have to back off, they choose to. That is the story I think would be fascinating to get the details on and what I was referring to above.

So you think there is more to the story than nervousness about JK's expensive demands and her want of control, the fact Disney didn't know how not to of some corporate sponsors, and the fact that they couldn't know exactly how big of hit it would be? If you are correct, Disney knew that HP would be the best thing since sliced bread and privately knew that they should give JK control and spend a ton of money but chose not to for some other reason? Way too complicated. The concept of Occam's razor is popular for a reason. What specifically are you referring to with Sea World? A better conspiracy theory would be that some Disney, corporate FBI type spent time training killer whales the art of drowning humans.....

 

[twebber55]

im just glad uni got HP....uni desperately needed it and created something knowing this was a last straw type deal for them and they delivered big time

hopefully the mouse will deliver the goods with the expansions at DAK and DHS

 

[Darth Sidious]

Well in the spirit of THE SPIRIT, I'm off on my 1% vacation as well....the 1% who have served in the US Military since 9/11. To the cozy garden valley of Kandahar, Afghanistan and areas around there. It will be a short trip, only a month, and I'll have internet so I'll keep checking in and waiting for "Spirited Change."

I would love for Disney to announce a "big" announcement and actually announce something big. Waiting....

Thank you for your service, keep safe.

 

[jt04]

So you think there is more to the story than nervousness about JK's expensive demands and her want of control, the fact Disney didn't know how not to of some corporate sponsors, and the fact that they couldn't know exactly how big of hit it would be? If you are correct, Disney knew that HP would be the best thing since sliced bread and privately knew that they should give JK control and spend a ton of money but chose not to for some other reason? Way too complicated. The concept of Occam's razor is popular for a reason. What specifically are you referring to with Sea World? A better conspiracy theory would be that some Disney, corporate FBI type spent time training killer whales the art of drowning humans.....

What I am talking about mostly happened before HP was ever considered for any theme park. Mostly.

 

[lazyboy97o]

What specifically are you referring to with Sea World?

I'm thinking it's based in a comment Al Lutz made a few years back when AB InBev put Busch Entertainment (now SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment) up for sale. According to Lutz, Rasulo was interested in possibly acquiring SeaWorld San Diego to rebuild as a Disney park that would serve as an anchor for the Disney Cruise Line's west coast operations which would be moved down from Long Beach. The problem was that InBev had committed to not splitting up the SeaWorld/Busch Gardens chain and Rasulo was only interested in the San Diego property.

 

[PhotoDave219]

According to TEA, the year before WWOHP opened (2009), IOA attendance was 4.627M. The first full year after it opened (2011), IOA was 7,674M. By any measure, 66% theme park attendance growth in 2 years is phenomenal.

Over the same period, total WDW attendance was flat.

Growth was Flat. MK still drew 17 MILLION people. 47k/day.

I'm waiting for TEA's 2012 numbers.... goddamm slow industry people....

 

[PhotoDave219]

Isn't it already beginning to suffer from the "economic model" philosophy of paring back from blue sky phase already?

Screamscape just said that they're possibly announcing a new ride for Epcot today. Anybody heard anything about this?

No, but they are projecting Mike Wazawuski onto SSE.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Well in the spirit of THE SPIRIT, I'm off on my 1% vacation as well....the 1% who have served in the US Military since 9/11. To the cozy garden valley of Kandahar, Afghanistan and areas around there. It will be a short trip, only a month, and I'll have internet so I'll keep checking in and waiting for "Spirited Change."

I would love for Disney to announce a "big" announcement and actually announce something big. Waiting....

Be safe and don't touch anything.

 

[bubbles1812]

What I am talking about mostly happened before HP was ever considered for any theme park. Mostly.

Well this isn't a vague and meaningless statement at all.... Not. You've talked repeatedly about how Disney "gave" Universal HP and "allowed" the other theme parks to rebuild their brands while ignoring the simple logical answers. And now you are backtracking and saying it was "mostly before" HP was thought of for a theme park attraction. There was no indication before then either about Disney wantin/allowing anyone to grow their brands.

You are the one with the conspiracy theory so it is with you that the burden of proof lies. Now I know based on you past posts you will provide no evidence whatsoever for the crazy stuff you spout, but I thought I'd at least ask you for any shred of evidence to back up your oh so fun non-sensical theories. And yet again, as is typical of you, you've ignored the evidence others have out forth.

 

[thehowiet]

I'm waiting for TEA's 2012 numbers.... goddamm slow industry people....

I'm really curious to see the 2012 numbers as well. I think last year they came out near the end of May, but my memory could be wrong. Any predictions regarding the numbers for 2012, Dave?

 

[PhotoDave219]

I agree that Disney could have buried Universal, Sea World etc. They choose not to. Get back to me when you have that story because I would love to know the details.

I believe its nothing more than a numbers game. That they saw record growth, record profits and decided that (In their misguided opinion) that disrupting record profits was more detrimental to their career than anything else.... because "it will always be this way, the guests will always come."

If history has taught us anything is it will never "always be this way" dating back to the divine right of kings. Empires came and went because of that belief. The record growth ended and the only way they know how to maintain record profit is to cut.

So yes, Disney could have buried everyone in Orlando but their own greed and quest for profits got in the way.

 

[jt04]

Well this isn't a vague and meaningless statement at all.... Not. You've talked repeatedly about how Disney "gave" Universal HP and "allowed" the other theme parks to rebuild their brands while ignoring the simple logical answers. And now you are backtracking and saying it was "mostly before" HP was thought of for a theme park attraction. There was no indication before then either about Disney wantin/allowing anyone to grow their brands.

You are the one with the conspiracy theory so it is with you that the burden of proof lies. Now I know based on you past posts you will provide no evidence whatsoever for the crazy stuff you spout, but I thought I'd at least ask you for any shred of evidence to back up your oh so fun non-sensical theories. And yet again, as is typical of you, you've ignored the evidence others have out forth.

I put the HP news out there as a discussion point. Again, if Disney had truly wanted the IP they would have kept it. No matter the cost. The Pixar, Marvel and Lucasfilm purchases prove they have the resources. They had to know there was a good chance Universal would pick up the concept. They either were not interested in keeping it or they wanted them to have it. In any case, Disney choose wisely.

 

[Funmeister]

I disagree with all of this. Get back to me when you have attendance numbers to back up your claims.

And I would rather Disney invest in the Star Wars IP over HP.

74 is a spirit. He can materialize here anytime he pleases.

Please back up your claim of why you would prefer Star Wars over HP. This should be good.

 

[jt04]

I believe its nothing more than a numbers game. That they saw record growth, record profits and decided that (In their misguided opinion) that disrupting record profits was more detrimental to their career than anything else.... because "it will always be this way, the guests will always come."

If history has taught us anything is it will never "always be this way" dating back to the divine right of kings. Empires came and went because of that belief. The record growth ended and the only way they know how to maintain record profit is to cut.

So yes, Disney could have buried everyone in Orlando but their own greed and quest for profits got in the way.

Makes sense.

 

[jt04]

Please back up your claim of why you would prefer Star Wars over HP. This should be good.

Because I was never indoctrinated into the Potterverse and further do not like the movies. And please do not say it is necessary to read the books. I only read non-fiction. I never had to read a book to enjoy Star Wars. You knew it would be great escapism when you walked in the theater. Potter puts me to sleep. Just being honest.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I'm really curious to see the 2012 numbers as well. I think last year they came out near the end of May, but my memory could be wrong. Any predictions regarding the numbers for 2012, Dave?

AECOM's website has a news item from June 18, 2012 announcing the release of the 2011 numbers, so we may well still have some time to wait.

I put the HP news out there as a discussion point.

Making something up in your head doesn't make it news.

 

[jt04]

Making something up in your head doesn't make it news.

Please forward this to the NYT and the rest of the main stream media. You will be doing all of us a great service.