Tony Perkis
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Like all of us predicted.
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Sony & MARVEL are friends again; Spider-Man is back in the MCU
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Like all of us predicted.
Lucky Rabbit
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This was earlier in the day. Sony’s statement blaming Disney and saying Feige is too busy is the most recent update. Things could always change, but as of now they’re not even negotiating anymore.
Tony Perkis
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Things will change. This was a choreographed leak.
It’s in both party’s best interests to resolve this, but 50/50 is unreasonable. You have to respect the ownership group’s power.
Lucky Rabbit
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I hope you’re right. Both studios have a lot to gain from collaborating, but that’s executives for you.
Only thing I’m not clear on is the percentage of profits Disney is requesting. Deadline said “Disney asked that future Spider-Man films be a 50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios” which is different than Disney asking for a 50/50 split of profits. Obviously a 50/50 profit split would be an insane ask.
lazyboy97o
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Disney essentially gave up on the mechanisms to get Spider-Man’s film rights in exchange for the merchandise rights.
AdamNV87
Active Member
It could work, and Sony would be smart to consider this. A quality Spidey vs. Venom movie would make a pretty coin, and I don't mean another five minute afterthought confrontation like we got in SM3.
Considering Venom's popularity as a villain, and the lack of Peter Parker in the Venom movie last year being one of the complaints, it makes sense to correct this and give the fans the showdown they want.
Why do you think SM3 was the highest grossing movie of the original trilogy? It wasn't because fans were overly excited to see the Sandman. It was because Venom and the symbiote inclusion was the big draw. Though unfortunately it didn't go over with fans the way it could have, and underwhelmed the initial hype train.
Last year's Venom standalone was a unexpected success, but it needed Spidey.
Put the puzzle pieces together, Sony. We need a (good) SM vs Venom movie!
Princess Leia
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Spiderverse was for sure the best Spider-Man movie, but is there really no love for Raimi’s Spider-Man 2?
erasure fan1
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Thats my favorite of the Sony movies.
WDWFREAK53
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Into the Spiderverse
Spider-man 2
Homecoming
Spider-man 1
Far From Home
Amazing Spider-man
Amazing Spider-man 2
Spider-man 3
That's how I'd rank them in my book.
Adding this post by @Darkprime here:
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Sony ends Spider-Man deal with Marvel!
Guess I wont be supporting future Spider-Man films. https://deadline.com/2019/08/kevin-feige-spider-man-franchise-exit-disney-sony-dispute-avengers-endgame-captain-america-winter-soldier-tom-rothman-bob-iger-1202672545/
LukeS7
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To be honest, I held the same opinion for awhile, but I went back and watched the Raimi Trilogy recently...they did not hold up
drod1985
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It's definitely a spin by Sony, but there is merit to it.
The reason Disney is looking for more representation in the financing deal is likely because Iger/Horn see Feige/Marvel's involvement in these films as a deal with bad ROI. Lets look at what's (publicly) at play here.
- Disney/Marvel get the ability to use Spider-man in ensemble films in exchange for what is likely their cost as a subcontracted studio + 5% of initial box office gross.
- Sony gets access to the Executive Producer and creative teams behind the #1 grossing movie of all time + 3 of the 4 highest grossing movies of 2019 to date, association with the biggest franchise of all time, and access to characters from the biggest franchise of all time.
In other words, Disney's sentiment is likely "Hey Sony, we'll come to the table if we split financing (and thus profits) 50/50. If not, we're gonna have these guys drop our first X-Men or Fantastic 4 movie in July of 2021 instead."
While a 50/50 split may be inappropriate, I think there is definitely room to negotiate a compromise.
The problem is that Sony likes to interfere with the live action movies. They forced Venom into Spider-Man 3 and were too hands on with the Amazing series.
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To bad they couldn't make a deal where Marvels gets to use Spider-Man in exchange for Marvel lending Sony more characters to Sony so they can make an animated MCU. I think something like that could be a win/win for both sides.
Anders Limpar
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Thought it was massively overhyped and boring.
AdamNV87
Active Member
Part of this is Sam Raimi's fault. He had 6 movies planned at one point for the Tobey McGuire Spiderman saga, but zero plans to include Eddie Brock / Venom. That's almost as idiotic as planning a 6 movie Batman series with no intention of including the Joker.
Sony understood the popularity of the Venom character, and forced Raimi to include him. But like I said in my earlier post, it was done too rushed and underwhelmed in what could have been.
Lucky Rabbit
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If Disney wanted a 30% stake, I’m surprised there wasn’t room for compromise.
www.hollywoodreporter.com
‘Spider-Man’ Standoff: Why Sony Thinks It Doesn’t Need “Kevin’s Playbook” Anymore
Sony Pictures' Tom Rothman and Marvel’s Kevin Feige had plenty of smiles at the Hollywood premiere of 'Spider-Man: Far From Home' in late June, but the pearly whites belied an inner turmoil. While the executives hit the red carpet, talks to extend the unique partnership between Sony and Disney...
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If this is true, I am shocked Sony turned this deal down. Currently Sony gets nothing from merchandise sales. Having Disney pay 30% of the production costs, say 50 million plus 30 million a year for merchandise means 110 million every 2 years. In return they get about 330 million from the movie but give up 110 for a profit of 220 miillion. Sony gets about 770 million in revenue but since. I used 160 million as production cost, Sony is only putting up 50 million if one deducts the 110 Disney is paying. I know advertising has to be included but still Sony would have almost no risk and make a much higher rate of return.If Disney wanted a 30% stake, I’m surprised there wasn’t room for compromise.
‘Spider-Man’ Standoff: Why Sony Thinks It Doesn’t Need “Kevin’s Playbook” Anymore
Sony Pictures' Tom Rothman and Marvel’s Kevin Feige had plenty of smiles at the Hollywood premiere of 'Spider-Man: Far From Home' in late June, but the pearly whites belied an inner turmoil. While the executives hit the red carpet, talks to extend the unique partnership between Sony and Disney...