Some restaurants get new dress code

[Computer Magic]

This was on MousePlanet so I thought it was worth passing it on.

Flip-flops will keep you from being seated at several restaurants at Walt Disney World hotels, thanks to a new dress code. Seven of the resort's spiffiest restaurants have upgraded to a “business casual” requirement. The restaurants involved are:

• Jiko (Animal Kingdom Lodge)
• Flying Fish (BoardWalk)
• California Grill (Contemporary)
• Citricos and Narcoossee's (Grand Floridian)
• Artist Point (Wilderness Lodge)
• Yachtsman Steakhouse (Yacht Club)

The restaurants are defining “business casual” as dress shorts, pants, jean pants, collared shirts, blouses and sweaters. Hats, swimsuits, swimsuit coveralls, tank tops, T-shirts, torn clothing and flip-flops are not permitted.

I always thought yactsman was business casusal, as I was there in May. Not sure about the others.

 

[wannab@dis]

My god, I can't beleive all the whining. Many of you sound as though this is some great imposition placed upon you. Some even imply, that just because they are on staying on property, they are entitled to dinner at any restuarant with any attire they choose. I am personally glad to see a dress code. I can hangout in my kitchen in t-shirt, shorts and flipflops, but when on vacation, I prefer to look nice and I'd prefer those around me (at the nicer resaurants) to look appropriate as well. The casual (or sloppy) movement has gone too far, it's time to bring some decorum back into dining.

:wave: well said! I could not agree more with your post.

 

[wannabeBelle]

Oh, and I brought this up to my mother in law, who was really disappointed. She said half the appeal for her and my father in law is being able to go to REALLY nice restaurants and not have to worry about looking dressed up.

Go Mom in law!!!! As I have said before, I doubt I would be turned away from any of these establishments, but why should I even have to consider this?? Also remember if a dress code is to be enforced, there isnt room for ambiguity. I understand that Disney might mean pool type, rubber flip flops that you would buy in the local dollar store and certainly not some of the ones previously mentioned in this thread (Decorated and certainly more dressy than the pool ones) but the point is that you are wearing flip flops and by the letter of the dress code you wouldn't be allowed in. I have several T shirts that I think could go either way. They dont have any characters on them and are quite nice. The are billed and sold at Macy's as T shirts but are certainly not shabby looking. I betcha that I could pass them off as blouses rather than a t shirt!!! Again though why should I have to be concerned?? Also does anyone else see the humor in not being allowed to wear a Disneyworld T shirt into one of these restaurants? Belle

 

[GenerationX]

I agree with the new policy. Disney is trying to maintain a classy atmosphere in these restaurants, and this is a step in the right direction.

Every year, my wife and I leave the boys at the resort's Kids Club so we can have one romantic dinner together. I remember looking at the kid's choices on the Yachtsman Steakhouse menu and determining that it was actually cheaper to have the boys stay at the Kid's Club and have dinner there than it was to have them eat with us at the restaurant. I wonder if that is by design ...

 

[mrtoad]

I don't agree with you. I think he was simply stating facts and you took it the wrong way since you didn't agree.

It's a fact that the nicer restaurants are in the resorts that happen to be higher scale. You and everyone else have the right to eat there, but you should follow the simple rules to dress accordingly. I'm sorry that you feel it's not fair, but everything in life is not fair to everyone.

I personally don't agree with the "it's not fair" argument since it's a choice to go there. If you don't want to abide by the rules or you don't like the rules, then don't go. Simple. You are not entitled to visit that restaurant. You can choose to go, but in doing so, you have to follow their rules.

I don't think it is because we don't agree that I took it that way. There have been quite a few that have posted that feel different than I do about the policy and I did not take offense to them. He posted in several posts in a way that I find rude. It is not always what you say, it is how you say it.

Though I am sure some of what I have said upsets someone too.

 

[mousermerf]

The point I was trying to make by pointing out the resorts was that, if anything, those restaurants are resort amenities.

If anyone has any right to them, it's the people staying at that particular resort. Thus, the arguement that "getting changed" would be a complete and utter hassle is fairly baseless since if you stay at the aforementioned resort it's on your way.

There is a reason the high-end restaurants are at the high end resorts - you pay for convienence. That's why the Monorails resorts are the most expensive, that's why the Mods each have a "casual" restaurant and why the All-Stars only have buses and food courts.

To quoth my favorite villian: "If you want to cross the bridge my sweet, you've got to pay the toll!"

 

[shoppingnut]

While these restaurants are on the higher scale, if I'm going to be asked to dress accordingly, there are several things I would expect in return. First, tables clothes, not all these restaurants have them and second, no screaming kids. Let's face it if these restaurants were in the real world there would be no shorts or sneakers at all permitted and you would probably find no children in them. This is not the real world and families come to Disney and they do eat at these places with their children. Just because they suggest it's for older kids, please when has anyone ever really listened to what is suggested. The kids are going to eat where ever their parents decide, they could care less about the restaurant's suggestion.

Also, let me point out that business casual means different things to different people. I know from first hand experience that every company has a different take on business casual, while some let employees wear jeans, others don't, some can wear sandles others find them inappropriate or for that matter any open toe shoe. So I see using that term can be construed in many different ways and that is going to be a problem.

As far as staying at the Contemporary to eat at the Calli Grill is just a plain silly idea. What you're supposed to eat there every night, what if you wanted to eat at the Yachtsman and staying at the contemporary but didn't want to come back to the hotel to change because you're spending the day at Epcot. Even if you decide to stay in a high end hotel, it doesh't mean that that hotel is going to be conveniently located to the high end restaurant of choice.

 

[mousermerf]

If you weren't parking-going commando style, there's a good chance you can wear khakis and a polo and neither sweat to death nor muss-your-doo.

In fact, I bet if you were on the "paid by hour" personal Guest Services VIP tour you'd rarely exert yourself, while seeing most everything in a doo-mussing free manner with plenty of time to spare.

Also, Disney defines "Businss Casual" their own way - and you can ask for clarification if you want. There's outlined rules.

 

[mrtoad]

I agree 100%

While these restaurants are on the higher scale, if I'm going to be asked to dress accordingly, there are several things I would expect in return. First, tables clothes, not all these restaurants have them and second, no screaming kids. Let's face it if these restaurants were in the real world there would be no shorts or sneakers at all permitted and you would probably find no children in them. This is not the real world and families come to Disney and they do eat at these places with their children. Just because they suggest it's for older kids, please when has anyone ever really listened to what is suggested. The kids are going to eat where ever their parents decide, they could care less about the restaurant's suggestion.

Also, let me point out that business casual means different things to different people. I know from first hand experience that every company has a different take on business casual, while some let employees wear jeans, others don't, some can wear sandles others find them inappropriate or for that matter any open toe shoe. So I see using that term can be construed in many different ways and that is going to be a problem.

As far as staying at the Contemporary to eat at the Calli Grill is just a plain silly idea. What you're supposed to eat there every night, what if you wanted to eat at the Yachtsman and staying at the contemporary but didn't want to come back to the hotel to change because you're spending the day at Epcot. Even if you decide to stay in a high end hotel, it doesh't mean that that hotel is going to be conveniently located to the high end restaurant of choice.

 

[mousermerf]

Also, if you stayed for the 7-days that Disney wants you to, where would time constraint come in? You've got 2 days at both Epcot and Magic Kingdom and 1 at both MGM and Animal Kingom still leaving you 1 free to do "nothing."

Lots of solutions to the "challenge."

None of which are unreasonable. This is, again, a luxury vacation. Not a right nor entitlement.

 

[hcswingfield]

Also does anyone else see the humor in not being allowed to wear a Disneyworld T shirt into one of these restaurants? Belle

:lol: Yes, WBB, I do see the humor. As much money as I spend on WDW merchandise and clothing every time I go to the parks, I want to be able to wear it in the parks and the restaurants. I have some pretty classy looking WDW "T-shirts" that cost a lot more than some of my collared shirts.

 

[mrtoad]

In fact, I bet if you were on the "paid by hour" personal Guest Services VIP tour you'd rarely exert yourself, while seeing most everything in a doo-mussing free manner with plenty of time to spare.

And everyone can afford that too...

 

[mousermerf]

And everyone can afford that too...

Wether or not you, I, or anyone can afford that tour is not Disney's problem. They offer a service for a fee - you can choose to pay or not pay, as it is a luxury item.

 

[wannab@dis]

And everyone can afford that too...

Newsflash... everyone won't be able to afford everything.

Just because I can't afford something doesn't mean they shouldn't offer the service. I can't afford to stay in a deluxe or eat dinner in all the finest restaurants every night, but some people can. I'm glad they can do so.

This whole thread comes down to one thing. Entitlement. For some reason, many people think they are ENTITLED to dress how they please and dine where they please. It's just not so. Disney can make their own rules without checking with us. If they lose business because of it, then I'm sure the rules will be modified. But I bet they won't have a problem filling the restaurants with diners glad there is a dress code. In fact, I'll be joining them. :wave:

 

[wannabeBelle]

Also, if you stayed for the 7-days that Disney wants you to, where would time constraint come in? You've got 2 days at both Epcot and Magic Kingdom and 1 at both MGM and Animal Kingom still leaving you 1 free to do "nothing."

Lots of solutions to the "challenge."

None of which are unreasonable. This is, again, a luxury vacation. Not a right nor entitlement.

Absolutely correct on the luxury vacation thing. Although if because of the the dress code a restaurant in Disney starts to lose money, as previously mentioned will the dress code be modified?? I can see that happening!!! Also this is slightly different than a dress code at an office. I Am paying to be in Disney as well as dine in a higher class restaurant. I go to work because they pay me to be there so they have a right to have certain expectations including a dress code. I just dont see it working out well for me and for many other people I know. Rather than dealing with it I most likely would not choose to dine at these restaurants. If I happen to put a few waiters out of a job, so be it!! Sorry guys!!! Belle

 

[shoppingnut]

Also, if you stayed for the 7-days that Disney wants you to, where would time constraint come in? You've got 2 days at both Epcot and Magic Kingdom and 1 at both MGM and Animal Kingom still leaving you 1 free to do "nothing."

I have stayed many times for 7 days and I always find that there is not enough time to do everything I want when there. I by no means do the parks commando style. And 7 days is not always a full 7 because you need to count one day each as your arrival and departure so they are by no means full days, so you are basically down to 5 full days.

Incidentally, I don't see anyone wearing pants in the parks just so they will have them on for dinner when the temp is at or above 90 degrees.

As far as being entitled to dine in any restaurant of my choosing, yes, I am entitled to dine anywhere. If I am staying on property and paying for their dining plan, I am entitled to dine anywhere. Last time I checked WDW hadn't moved to Cuba and was still located in the USA. And, as far as them being luxury restaurants, of the ones that I have dined in (Yachtsman, Flying Fish, Narcoose's, Cali Grill) the only one I would consider comparable to a "real world" luxury restaurant would be Yachtsman because the service is right along the lines of a top notch restaurant and it is very quiet so you can talk at the table and not yell.

 

[bsandersjr]

For the love of God, STOP FREEKIN BICKERING about it. What's done is done! Don't you all realize you are arguing each other about your OPINIONS?

Chill out. If I choose to eat or not to eat somewhere cuz I don't like the dress code, SO WHAT? You are in Disney World. You gonna let a dress code ruin your trip?
:hammer:

 

[shoppingnut]

For the love of God, STOP FREEKIN BICKERING about it. What's done is done! Don't you all realize you are arguing each other about your OPINIONS?

Chill out. If I choose to eat or not to eat somewhere cuz I don't like the dress code, SO WHAT? You are in Disney World. You gonna let a dress code ruin your trip?
:hammer:

If I want to discuss MY opinion that is MY choice. You need to get a grip on yourself and don't participate/read the thread if it bothers you that much.

 

[hcswingfield]

Absolutely correct on the luxury vacation thing. Although if because of the the dress code a restaurant in Disney starts to lose money, as previously mentioned will the dress code be modified?? I can see that happening!!! Also this is slightly different than a dress code at an office. I Am paying to be in Disney as well as dine in a higher class restaurant. I go to work because they pay me to be there so they have a right to have certain expectations including a dress code. I just dont see it working out well for me and for many other people I know. Rather than dealing with it I most likely would not choose to dine at these restaurants. If I happen to put a few waiters out of a job, so be it!! Sorry guys!!! Belle

Well said, Belle!

 

[bsandersjr]

If I want to discuss MY opinion that is MY choice. You need to get a grip on yourself and don't participate/read the thread if it bothers you that much.

Don't you see the point here? It will NEVER end. YOU "discuss" YOUR opinion, and someone else will "discuss" THEIR opinion. Leading to an argument over opinions. :veryconfu

Oh, and you know what they say about opinions, huh? :wave:

 

[hcswingfield]

Don't you see the point here? It will NEVER end. YOU "discuss" YOUR opinion, and someone else will "discuss" THEIR opinion. Leading to an argument over opinions. :veryconfu

Oh, and you know what they say about opinions, huh? :wave:

Gee, I'm sorry. I was under the mistaken impression that forums were for people to express opinions on various topics. :hammer: