Soarin' Expansion and new Soarin' Around the World film

[Marlins1]

I'd love to see a newer pic (as would all of us) but judging from the pattern on the ground this does look like only one theater being built. Oh well, when completed, the line should move 1/3 faster, in theory.

Actually 50% faster - new theatre will 1/3 of new capacity but is 50% of current capacity - sorry, I'm a math guy!

 

[peter11435]

Actually 50% faster - new theatre will 1/3 of new capacity but is 50% of current capacity - sorry, I'm a math guy!

Capacity is increased by 50% but waits will be decreased by 1/3. For the line to move 50% faster capacity would need to be doubled.

 

[RSoxNo1]

If Disney opened up a couple of decent new rides in Epcot the line would also get much shorter.

Yes, but the park needs both. Soarin' is an E-ticket ride with C ticket capacity. This addresses that issue.

 

[Marlins1]

Capacity is increased by 50% but waits will be decreased by 1/3. For the line to move 50% faster capacity would need to be doubled.

True - total wait time would be reduced by 1/3 but 50% more people will move through each ride cycle so you could look at it either way. Line speed will increase by 50% but wait time is what really matters and I'm sure a lot of that gain will be eliminated by an increase in riders. Still a good thing though especially if this and a Frozen could allow them to get rid of the fast pass tiers.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

True - total wait time would be reduced by 1/3 but 50% more people will move through each ride cycle so you could look at it either way. Line speed will increase by 50% but wait time is what really matters and I'm sure a lot of that gain will be eliminated by an increase in riders. Still a good thing though especially if this and a Frozen could allow them to get rid of the fast pass tiers.

The frozen ride and meet/greet will take pressure off TT and Soarin. It will be interesting to see if they eliminate the Frozen meet and Greet at the Magic Kingdom.

 

[cjkeating]

Looking at this aerial I feel like it is a waste of space that they are just biting the bullet and building 2 additional theatres.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Capacity is increased by 50% but waits will be decreased by 1/3. For the line to move 50% faster capacity would need to be doubled.

"Faster" is a fuzzy concept when we're talking about a theme park ride. The bext proxy would probably be Guests per Hour, so Capacity = Speed = 50% increase.

 

[peter11435]

"Faster" is a fuzzy concept when we're talking about a theme park ride. The bext proxy would probably be Guests per Hour, so Capacity = Speed = 50% increase.

Yes. But a 50% increase in capacity does not mean the line will move 50% quicker. If you doubled the capacity there would be a 100% increase in capacity but not a 100% decrease in wait time. The line would move twice as fast thus wait time would be decreased by 50%. In soarin's case a 50% increase in capacity reduces wait times by 1/3.

Let's pretend that an attraction accommodates 100 guests every 2 minutes. That would mean that 1000 guests could experience it in approximately 20 minutes. If we increase capacity by 50% the attraction can now accommodate 150 guests every 2 minutes. That same 1000 guests would get through in 13.33 minutes. Which is a 1/3 reduction in wait time.

Obviously this is all on paper. In real life the increased capacity will reduce wait times but the lower wait times will in turn increase demand thus increasing wait times potentially back to where they started from. The only thing for certain is that more guests will be able to experience soarin'.

 

[George]

Been keeping my ear to the ground and I believe a couple of minor changes will really help people "soar" through the queue at high rates of velocity. 1) The seats will no longer raise or lower. 2) The lack of raising and lowering will negate the need for a timely safety spiel or the strapping into the seat. 3) The length of the film will be reduced to 14.7 seconds.

 

[Bolt]

Looking at this aerial I feel like it is a waste of space that they are just biting the bullet and building 2 additional theatres.

Just one

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

Looking at this aerial I feel like it is a waste of space that they are just biting the bullet and building 2 additional theatres.

There was a rumor going around about a fourth theatre being added but it was, sadly, a rumor.

 

[MaryJaneP]

Fast Forward film (a la Benny Hill) or Nose dive into ground (a la Tru TV). Bingo, increased throughput.

 

[Marlins1]

Yes. But a 50% increase in capacity does not mean the line will move 50% quicker. If you doubled the capacity there would be a 100% increase in capacity but not a 100% decrease in wait time. The line would move twice as fast thus wait time would be decreased by 50%. In soarin's case a 50% increase in capacity reduces wait times by 1/3.

Let's pretend that an attraction accommodates 100 guests every 2 minutes. That would mean that 1000 guests could experience it in approximately 20 minutes. If we increase capacity by 50% the attraction can now accommodate 150 guests every 2 minutes. That same 1000 guests would get through in 13.33 minutes. Which is a 1/3 reduction in wait time.

Obviously this is all on paper. In real life the increased capacity will reduce wait times but the lower wait times will in turn increase demand thus increasing wait times potentially back to where they started from. The only thing for certain is that more guests will be able to experience soarin'.

If you add 2 theaters the line will move twice as fast - a 100% increase - and the wait time will be reduced by 50%. One theatre will reduce the wait time by a third but the line will move 50% faster. One ratio compares to the original speed the other compares to the new total capacity. Once again, sorry for even starting this but the line really will move 50% faster than it does now which should make even long waits more tolerable.

 

[unkadug]

If you add 2 theaters the line will move twice as fast - a 100% increase - and the wait time will be reduced by 50%. One theatre will reduce the wait time by a third but the line will move 50% faster. One ratio compares to the original speed the other compares to the new total capacity. Once again, sorry for even starting this but the line really will move 50% faster than it does now which should make even long waits more tolerable.

This will only be true if the demand stays constant.

Anytime a new anything is added the demand spikes which throws all of your math right out the window.

 

[Marlins1]

This will only be true if the demand stays constant.

Anytime a new anything is added the demand spikes which throws all of your math right out the window.

Absolutely - more people will ride so who knows what the actual wait time will be. I just hope EPCOT and HS can add enough big draws to get rid of fast pass tiers.

 

[space42]

Absolutely - more people will ride so who knows what the actual wait time will be. I just hope EPCOT and HS can add enough big draws to get rid of fast pass tiers.

The current two theaters will be FP only and I'm sure they will just increase the number of FP to keep those theaters full at all times. The new theater will be standby so I imagine that the standby wait times will be about the same as today - but more people will be able to get FP.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Yes. But a 50% increase in capacity does not mean the line will move 50% quicker. If you doubled the capacity there would be a 100% increase in capacity but not a 100% decrease in wait time. The line would move twice as fast thus wait time would be decreased by 50%. In soarin's case a 50% increase in capacity reduces wait times by 1/3.

Let's pretend that an attraction accommodates 100 guests every 2 minutes. That would mean that 1000 guests could experience it in approximately 20 minutes. If we increase capacity by 50% the attraction can now accommodate 150 guests every 2 minutes. That same 1000 guests would get through in 13.33 minutes. Which is a 1/3 reduction in wait time.

Obviously this is all on paper. In real life the increased capacity will reduce wait times but the lower wait times will in turn increase demand thus increasing wait times potentially back to where they started from. The only thing for certain is that more guests will be able to experience soarin'.

. There is no predicting the end result in terms of wait time, but what is most important to us is that total capacity increases by 50% which will be important when the new ride film come on line, as there will be many more FP+ available to us. None of us were waiting in the 240 minute lines, anyway. At least, I hope not!

 

[Bocabear]

I bet they could also reduce wait times at Soarin' by actually adding a few more attractions around the park...not refurbished ones but new actual attractions...Give guests more things to do... that would redistribute the crowds... Add the attraction into Germany...or Japan... Bring the crowds through Future World to the farthest point in the park....

 

[JimboJones123]

I still think adding only 1 additional theater isn't enough.

This attraction really needs to double its capacity. .

How many hundreds of guests daily simply abandon a visit to Soarin simply because of wait times? How many riders would love to hop off the ride and immediately hop back in line?

I have a feeling that adding another theater will reduce wait times by 10% at the most. Doubling capacity would only drop wait times by 25%.

The ride already does the worst job of predicting wait times. Any time it drops below 60 minutes, guest flood to it and the queue backs up to the last turn. That is a 2-2.5 hour wait. When those guests finally turn in their red flick cards, the wait time is 165 minutes but the actual wait is 45 because nobody gets in line when it is 165 minutes.

And stop spewing that another ride or two would make guests simply not want to experience Soarin'. That is the dumbest argument to solve the low capacity issues of Soarin, TSMM, and 7DMT. These top attractions have a demand to them that simply isn't being met.

 

[DisneyCane]

I still think adding only 1 additional theater isn't enough.

This attraction really needs to double its capacity. .

How many hundreds of guests daily simply abandon a visit to Soarin simply because of wait times? How many riders would love to hop off the ride and immediately hop back in line?

I have a feeling that adding another theater will reduce wait times by 10% at the most. Doubling capacity would only drop wait times by 25%.

I don't think the goal is so much to reduce the wait times as it is to allow more people to ride. It is a ride that is desirable to a huge percentage of visitors because it is tame but "cool." The only people that aren't interested in riding are those with a fear of heights or people that have ridden countless times and aren't impressed by a simulated hang glider ride.

I would expect that what will probably happen is 2/3 of the capacity will get dedicated to FP+ which will allow more people to ride with FP.

It may end up lowering the wait on TT since more people will be able to use their FP selection on Soarin' so less will use it on TT with the tiers. They can't get rid of the tiers unless TT got a similar capacity increase or they added A LOT more D/E Ticket attractions at Epcot.