Seven Dwarf's Mine Train ride expectations?

Ignohippo

Well-Known Member
I have no expectations because this isn't the type of ride I think the MK really needs. Unless it has a ton of "show elements" (which it doesn't sound like it will) then it's an epic fail IMO.

What I'm hoping for is great new take on the dark ride, and includes a great story and lots of character scenes. If not, we already have BTMRR and the Barnstormer, so this attraction is totally unnecessary. I'm also really hoping that it is designed in a way that people OF ALL AGES can ride it, including young children.

If there is any kind of height restriction (besides maybe the youngest of children), then IMO, Disney has really made a massive mistake.
 

Ignohippo

Well-Known Member
The 7DMR makes no attempt to tell the Snow White story.
There are two indiir scenes, inside the mine with the dwarfs.

Snow White shows up in a brief cameo in the cottage at the very end.


This is such a huge and horrific mistake. Disney is really missing what sets them apart from other theme parks if this is the case. Especially after shutting down SWSA (which was never one of my favorites), they really need a new dark ride to replace it.

Just because a ride may have some thrills doesn't mean it shouldn't tell a story.

If this is the case, then I really don't understand what the point of the ride is.
 

Pixiedustmaker

Well-Known Member
I have no expectations because this isn't the type of ride I think the MK really needs. Unless it has a ton of "show elements" (which it doesn't sound like it will) then it's an epic fail IMO.

What I'm hoping for is great new take on the dark ride, and includes a great story and lots of character scenes. If not, we already have BTMRR and the Barnstormer, so this attraction is totally unnecessary. I'm also really hoping that it is designed in a way that people OF ALL AGES can ride it, including young children.

If there is any kind of height restriction (besides maybe the youngest of children), then IMO, Disney has really made a massive mistake.

100% agree!

Magic Kingdom already has a lightly themed roller coaster, the Barn Stormer. Thunder Mountain doesn't tell a story, but has some decent theming. The last major E-Ticket was Splash, which uses detailed show scenes to tell a story. They didn't need to try to replicate Splash's show scenes, but how hard would it have been to add half a dozen show scenes? There certainly is the room in the structure's footprint which is massive.

It will be a C-Ticket ride, which I guess is OK, but as the poster above said, they already have rides like this around the Magic Kingdom. The whole swaying thing is interesting, but given what Disney has accomplished in the past (Splash) and what Potterland has done, this just doesn't cut it for the "biggest expansion in park history" or whatever they are calling FLE.

During my next trip when all of this is finished, I'm going to spend half the time in Potterland, I will *want* to see BOG, and the kindergartener in our group will want to ride LM, and I'll ride 7DC once to see what happens, but seriously, this is a major disappointment. I bet they want a ride with few scenes/effects because then they don't have to maintain it. Heck, I wouldn't be upset if the scenes had those figures with limited motion, but at least you'd get the feeling you got to go into Snow White's world.

Happiness is going to be drinking a butter-beer, not daydreaming about what an E-Ticket Snow White could have been had they cared to add a decent number of show scenes. We get Snow White doing a cameo like the Yeti. Not good enough.

They are quite simply cutting the budget too much for these rides, to the point where you have a lot of regret when you go into the park and remember when there was more "show" and story to the attractions.

I regret not riding Snow White last time I went, it was still a good ride, but it badly needed updating and a new queue and new special effects. I always ride Snow White in Disneyland, maybe because the facade is so well done.
 

Pixiedustmaker

Well-Known Member
The 7DMR makes no attempt to tell the Snow White story.
There are two indoor scenes, inside the mine with the dwarfs.

Snow White shows up in a brief cameo in the cottage at the very end.

Almost every attraction, even Barnstormer, attempts to tell a story, or at least hints at a story with thematic elements. Isn't the Great Goofini, or whatever it is called, about Goofy flying circus guests around? There is a beginning, a middle, and an end, you learn about Goofy's plan to offer flying lessons (or whatever), you imagine yourself flying with Goofy, and you land.

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7DC could be considered worse than Great Goofini (something that I'm not that interested in riding) as it is just a "snap-shot" of a time in the film when the Dwarfs are working in their diamond mine and Snow White is tiding up the cottage. Imagineers were planning on putting in the witch (or so they hinted), though that wouldn't make sense without Snow White, or the Dwarfs, sort of like you just happen to run into the witch in the middle of nowhere? (Though I do hope they add the witch).

Even so, it would have been nice to see the witch. As it is now, the ride "a day in the life of the Seven Dwarfs" yes?

I still have hope, the rockwork for BOG looks fantastic, and would be worth seeing, I can't help but think eventually they will put in an elaborate Beauty and the Beast dark ride, given that they spent millions for rockwork on a restaurant. . .
 

Pixiedustmaker

Well-Known Member
A thrill ride? If you're 5 perhaps... I hope the 2 indoor scenes are impressive at least. And I am sure it will look and be very immersive. But honestly, I am getting a bit tired of that having to be the trade off...

Splash Mountain sure wasn't a trade-off. I am annoyed to as it feels like there simply wasn't the budget to put in other scenes, if the witch was too scary, they could have put in the queen and used more scenes of Snow White dancing with the Dwarfs, which I think would be cool to see with the latest animatronic tech.

I think why we are all upset is that the last E-Ticket at Magic Kingdom was Splash Mountain (though Pooh is a great ride).

Splash opened in 1992.

A lot has happened since then, Disneyland got Indy, IOA got Harry and Friends, Epcot got some new rides, DCA got a whole new make over. FLE adds a cloned LM ride (which isn't very popular in DCA), a 7DC coaster with no story and a Snow White homage, and at least some good forest theming, but not anywhere close to what it should be in terms of story.

The best thing about the FLE will be the Be Our Guest restaurant, could possibly be the best themed restaurant in any theme park, IMHO. Too bad the rides in FLE don't have that level of detail or story.
 

Lee

Adventurer
The ride will tell the story of the dwarfs and has a few recognizable scenes from the movie in it as well as 3 of the movies songs.
Maybe the story of the dwarfs, but not Snow White's story.

Let's see....The mine scene (likely with "Whistle While You Work), the second lift (also in the mine, I believe) and the finale at the cottage.

What am I missing besides a couple outdoor vignettes?
 

Californian Elitist

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Maybe the story of the dwarfs, but not Snow White's story.

Let's see....The mine scene (likely with "Whistle While You Work), the second lift (also in the mine, I believe) and the finale at the cottage.

What am I missing besides a couple outdoor vignettes?

Those are the only two show/indoor scenes?
 

Pixiedustmaker

Well-Known Member
Well, I guess we should give Disney a pat on the back, it will be a new mine car coaster, I mean its not like somebody else in Orlando is planning on building a mine train ride in a new land . . .

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With oddly familiar shops . . .

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With fabulously detailed mine train cars . . .

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http://www.themeparkinsider.com/flume/201112/2824/

Which is a hybrid roller coaster and motion simulator in the style of Spiderman with 3-D screens galore

with wind effects, fog, heat, a mysterious bank vault . . . all based on an "ambitious" narrative for this very un-roller coaster ride which may raise the bar for theme parks around the world.


Oh, yeah, Mickey has nothing to worry about . . . aren't E-Tickets too expensive to build? And who would want to visit them?

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Skyway

Well-Known Member
I'm hoping that it won't be just one or two scenes, what a heartbreak!

Big Thunder Mountain had only 2 indoor scenes when it opened. Now it's got one.

Expedition Everest had only two indoor scenes when it opened. Now it's got one.

(Not that 7DMT will be anything like BTMRR or EE. Just sayin' that the # of show scenes is not necessarily relevant)
 

CinematicFusion

Well-Known Member
This should be the centerpiece of fantasyland. Imagineers have hyped it as the centerpiece....it's smack in the middle of the expansion. All eyes focus on it.
It's being delayed...building the hype.
Needs to be a magical ride for all ages.
If you don't want to get right back on the ride and experience it again....then it will be a let down. Peter pan is a ride I want to get back on. Great little dark ride.
It's in fantasyland...doesn't have to be thrilling, just needs to be magical. Magical on a level like splash mountain, Peter pan....or like the first time you saw marry poppins or bed knobs and broomsticks.
If they aren't trying to hit that magical vibe...why even build it?
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
I have no expectations because this isn't the type of ride I think the MK really needs. Unless it has a ton of "show elements" (which it doesn't sound like it will) then it's an epic fail IMO.

Because it doesn't. This is going to disappoint so many because it really isn't all that more exciting than Barnstormer. It will just have the brief few show scenes and the swaying ... it has B-Ticket written all over it, yet folks want to compare it to BTMRR and EE?!?!

Compare it to Barnstormer and you'll like it.

Compare it to anything else and you'll be very, very disappointed.
 

Pixiedustmaker

Well-Known Member
This should be the centerpiece of fantasyland. Imagineers have hyped it as the centerpiece....it's smack in the middle of the expansion. All eyes focus on it.
It's being delayed...building the hype.
Needs to be a magical ride for all ages.
If you don't want to get right back on the ride and experience it again....then it will be a let down. Peter pan is a ride I want to get back on. Great little dark ride.
It's in fantasyland...doesn't have to be thrilling, just needs to be magical. Magical on a level like splash mountain, Peter pan....or like the first time you saw marry poppins or bed knobs and broomsticks.
If they aren't trying to hit that magical vibe...why even build it?

100% agree! I must have watched bed knobs and broomsticks and Mary Poppins half a billion times as a kid. J.K. Rowling did too and it helped inspire Harry Potter, Disney has forgotten all of the films with magic, and how they used to design the parks.

Like Walt said, if you just aim for the kids you're dead.

It seems like given Carsland, Disney is good at doing a lot of rock-work, and coming up with new ride mechanisms like 7DC and Test Track, but the "magic" aspect of making something mean something special is gone. Fantasyland deserves more than a lightly themed coaster, MK already has those.

Big Thunder opened in 1980 in MK, Splash Mountain opened in 1992.

Then they put in Mickey's Birthdayland and the Barnstormer which is pretty sad for a Disney theme park.

7DC is kinda an improvement on Barnstormer, but its a step backwards when you consider Splash and the fact that they took out SWSA. Big Thunder is OK, as a well themed moderate thrill ride fits in Frontierland, but Splash was an improvement on the narrative concept, a ride which surpassed Big Thunder in many respects.

We're also talking about Fantasyland here, what Walt described as the "most magical" of them all, a simple lightly themed mild thrill ride doesn't make much sense. Fantasyland could use a "mountain" E-Ticket ride, badly, and this isn't it.
 

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