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Seven Dwarf's Mine Train ride expectations?
- Thread starter afar28
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OK....a visual aide:
WDW in the late 80's: (or there about...I couldn't exactly date this picture)
WDW a few years ago before the FLE with area NEVER before used for the public outlined in yellow:
Why didn't you highlight the area where TLM will go? What was there before?
dreamscometrue
Well-Known Member
Wasn't that the show building for 20K?
It looks like the SHDL Seven Dwarfs Mine Train will be a tad longer than the Magic Kingdom version:
The first half of the ride does look like it has an extra helix.
I don't think I've seen this particular plan for the Shanghai park before, but I sincerely hope it's not anything close to final.
Among other things, I see a section distinctly labeled "Toy Story Play[land]," with what looks like plots for RC Racer and what could be the Toy Soldiers Parachute Drop.
In any case, even if Toy Story Land isn't going into SDL, it's odd that it would be included in a preliminary plan for the park. It just opened at HKDL last year, and I thought the agreement was that it would be exclusive in Asia for five years -- making its inclusion on even a tentative schematic kind of odd.
Lee
Adventurer
Looks pretty final to me.
unkadug
Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Yes it was, so it doesn't really count as an expansion area, as it has previously been used for guest access.
Pixiedustmaker
Well-Known Member
The first half of the ride does look like it has an extra helix.
It's funny that they took out Main Street, and don't have any sort of street heading to the castle as this is where so much merchandise is bought in all of the other castle parks. You've got a captive audience that has to walk to the castle and its always been a golden opportunity to sell stuff. Hilarious that it looks like they moved the shopping district to the left. Plus why not have long walking paths with nothing to see but plants.
Can't believe they took out the train around the park. Its basically a regular sized Fantasyland, a huge unwieldy park area in front of the castle, a cheap "Toy Story" area like in HKDL, maybe a Splash Mountain type ride, or maybe this is the new Pirates ride.
Whoever designed this park should be fired.
dreamscometrue
Well-Known Member
Pixiedustmaker
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Yeah, I'm sure they'll get right on that.
Not that I care all that much about merchandising, but I'm sure somebody does at Disney. I like Main Street, it really set the tone, plus I like buying fudge and stuff on Main Street. Its a nice atmosphere, and stuff you see on the way in you often buy on the way out.
DCA had this same problem, a truncated "Main Street" which became really just a lame plaza. You sort of need a street where you can watch parades and stuff too. Doesn't have to be 1902 United States, I would think they could come up with a romanticized Chinese street from centuries ago, something for guests there to appreciate.
I give them points for using the hub design, but it so big . . . guests want to immediately enter a land, not have to walk around a big park with a lake in it. Yes, Frontierland has a river in the castle parks, but it is lined with rides on one side, this is just empty space for nothing, though obviously they want to be able to accomodate thousands for firework shows. But this big . . .
If Hong Kong Disneyland costed $3.5 billion, and this thing costs about as much . . . it'll be a work in progress for a long while.
WDW1974
Well-Known Member
Change takes many forms ... and is a constant ...
Tom
Beta Return
That's deep...
WDW1974
Well-Known Member
No, you haven't. It was conveniently leaked this week to some American bloggers. It IS real. I just can't say whether it is from 2010, nine months ago or three weeks ago.
The only surprise was the Toy Story Land. I was under the impression that it couldn't be built elsewhere in Asia, period. Now, who knows since the Chinese government has final say in these matters anyway.
But everything else looks and sounds like what I had expected and heard about.
lazyboy97o
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Five years exclusive to Asia was the announcement. Could it be that will not see Shanghai Disneyland open until 2017? I am more thinking that for some reason this drawing includes "Phase 2" expansions, with this being one. The way Toy Story Playland is plopped in there, it would be easy to cut off access to the "land" without really affecting much else. I guess the Central Government could have played some sort of hard ball with the Hong Kong Government so that they will not fuss over this breach of their agreement with The Walt Disney Company. That would not be all that surprising either as Hong Kong getting screwed over by Disney would not exactly be much new to the situation.
WDW1974
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I like them FINALLY going a different route for a MK-style park. All five that currently exist are clearly basic differentiations of the same template. This changes it some.
They didn't want a Main Street for various reasons and I'm sorta glad there too as most MSUSAs have been watered down to simply glorified shopping districts. I still enjoy DL's a lot and Paris has a very beautiful detailed version (thank Eddie Sotto and Co for it).
The shopping district that you talk about is Downtown Disney and NOT part of the park. Rest assured, though, there will be plenty of shopping inside the park.
There is no Splash Mountain going in ... you may be talking about the Lost River Rapids raft ride, Pirates Cove (part of an expanded PoC area that will include a very new high-tech version of PoC themed to the films and a stunt show) or even a 'mystery' boat ride that seems to be there, which may be a version of JC (but doubt it).
WDW1974
Well-Known Member
I am a very deep Spirit ...
WDW1974
Well-Known Member
If it's five years (and assuming anyone in the Beijing government cares), then they'd be safe opening in 2016. Last I heard they were shooting for opening in 8/16, so either way it wouldn't matter much as TSL opened in 2011 in HKDL.
But I'd prefer it wasn't included at all.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
I see now I had my timeline a little confused. So late 2016 would work just fine.
I agree, all three parks would be better off without the decorated carnival.
dreamscometrue
Well-Known Member
Sheldon: Is that sarcasm?...Is that sarcasm?...Is THAT sarcasm?
(Since someone else did a Big Bang reference the other day.
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rioriz
Well-Known Member
This should close the thread right now....lol
choco choco
Well-Known Member
Who the heck are you? You take one look at a second hand, fuzzy drawing and demand that someone lose their job because your precious American sensibility can't handle that the old and tired Main St. USA concept isn't wanted by a country that isn't the USA? Do you understand anything about cultural relativism? International relations? Global business?
You couldn't even pick out the correct entrance to the park, or its boundaries, yet somehow surmise there is no shopping opportunity. How much do you know about design? Let's see what else you criticized:
There's no sense of scale on that map, what the heck do you mean about "regular sized" or "unwieldy."
So we should throw out the millennia of human societies who enjoyed pleasure gardens, botanical gardens, nature walks....or the fact that Disney modeled Disneyland after these Tivoli-like parks...or the inclination Chinese people have for the traditional Chinese rock garden; which is what this, a park in China, is trying to emulate.
How much research did you do before you came up with these criticisms, because I know the WDI team ACTUALLY WENT TO CHINA.
Way to overrreact. You should be banned from ever stepping foot in another Disney Park again.
(By the way, Shanghai Disneyland's design is being lead by Bob Weis, who also lead the design of the new DCA and Carsland. I dare you to ask for his head again.)