Scooter accident

[Goofyernmost]

So, in other words, no. You don't have any numbers to back it up. 74% of stats are made up on the spot...

There are no reliable numbers to be had. Do you have any stats to back up the 74% that you just used or did you just pull that out of your hind-quarters. Mine was based on actual observance which is much more likely to be accurate then what someone working for a grant would be able to generate. Remember the big three... Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics!

 

[carolinadisneydad]

Totally. Many people have special needs that you cannot easily notice so we all have to assume the need is legitimate. And I wouldn't trade my ability to walk for the right to ride a scooter. I know how lucky I am as far as my health goes--for now.

As for needing scooters, the need at WDW seems to vastly exceed the need in the rest of the world. I can go weeks to months without seeing a single scooter anywhere. At WDW they are everywhere. Odd really.

That is probably because most places require short walks. So people don't go to the trouble of getting their scooter. At Disney the walking is so extensive they have to have one to make it through the day. That was our case. My mothers knees were needing to be replaced. She could walk 50 to 200 yards fine but the pain increased with distance so 5 miles would be impossible. She did have both knees replaced and now walks everywhere.

 

[bethymouse]

@Cmdr_Crimson That's the exact video I was thinking about. Kinda funny, yet kinda sad really.

 

[bethymouse]

@Larry Mondello That is a joke , right? They don't really have devices like that for diving? Yes, I know... but it sure does look real. Maybe someone should invent it.

 

[The Mom]

@Larry Mondello That is a joke , right? They don't really have devices like that for diving? Yes, I know... but it sure does look real. Maybe someone should invent it.

http://www.islandwatersportshawaii.com/submersible-scooter-tours/submersible-scooter-tours.html

 

[Goofyernmost]

http://www.islandwatersportshawaii.com/submersible-scooter-tours/submersible-scooter-tours.html

I'm thinking that James Bond could have used one of those!

 

[bethymouse]

http://www.islandwatersportshawaii.com/submersible-scooter-tours/submersible-scooter-tours.html

Wow! Am I a dummy. Thanks for sharing.

 

[DuckTalesWooHoo1987]

There are no reliable numbers to be had. Do you have any stats to back up the 74% that you just used or did you just pull that out of your hind-quarters. Mine was based on actual observance which is much more likely to be accurate then what someone working for a grant would be able to generate. Remember the big three... Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics!

I think the 74% stat might have went over your head... I got it in the same place that you got your numbers of how scooter people are always innocent and never run in to people and are always people that are extremely debilitated and can't do for themselves and don't abuse the system at all...

 

[Goofyernmost]

I think the 74% stat might have went over your head... I got it in the same place that you got your numbers of how scooter people are always innocent and never run in to people and are always people that are extremely debilitated and can't do for themselves and don't abuse the system at all...

Let me know when I said that please. I'm not dumb enough to think that. I am also not judgemental enough to conclude that everyone or even anything above a handful of people abuse it. I know what I know from observation and experience. I know from having to use one after an injury. I know from running a Residential Care Home for people with disabilities that I took to WDW numerous times. I know what a pain in the butt those things are and that if a person is able to make the trek around WDW without one, you would know just how quickly they will choose walking over spending the day looking at the butts of the people in front of them. There are people that accidentally run into people and do not care, of course, you don't have to be perfectly healthy person to be a jerk. But, they don't aim for them and I will bet everything I have on that. What would be their motivation. Why would they go to a place like WDW and then decide that half the fun would be to run people down. They wouldn't would they?

Tell you what... spend a day maneuvering one of those around a crowded theme park and then come back and tell me you didn't spend most of your day constantly trying to avoid running into brain dead people.

 

[networkpro]

Be advised, My wife and I are AP holders and she'll be on an ECV, not a Disney Bulldozer, but a Victory 3.

 

[Walt Disney1955]

America in 1976: Walks around where they want to go

America in 2016: Does as little as possible and is the most obese country in the history of the world

Anything short of this woman being very sick or ill, she probably fits the 2016 version.

 

[ninjaprincesst]

Well aware of that. I had to take steroid once.... The solution was quite simple eat less than before. The human body cannot produce calories out of thin air. I don't care what medication you give someone if you stop feeding that person they wont magically gain weight. It is all a matter of control.

Not always true. I eat way less than anyone else I know I am a very active martial artist and no matter how hard I try I'm still fat, yet my skinny friends eat like food is going out of style and the most exercise they get is punching on their smart phone.

 

[thomas998]

Not always true. I eat way less than anyone else I know I am a very active martial artist and no matter how hard I try I'm still fat, yet my skinny friends eat like food is going out of style and the most exercise they get is punching on their smart phone.

All that proves is that they have a faster metabolism than you do... I had two uncles, one which ate like normal person and one that would alway wait till everyone else got their food and then eat all that was left which was a huge amount... And you guessed it the one that ate like a human garbage disposal was skinny.... Doesn't mean that what I said was wrong... because if you take anyone in the world and starve them they will not gain weight... the will lose weight until the moment they die. Some people have bodies that require more calories than others but that doesn't mean anyones body can create fat out of nothing. If anything what you describe just means that you need to still eat fewer calories and/or exercise more if you want to lose weight.

 

[WDWVolFan]

I literally was standing still once on Main St in the crowd to watch Wishes. I then felt a pain on my heel and turned around to react to it and see what it was and it was a fat woman on a scooter and I just looked at her like "It's ok. Don't worry about it." and she then says "I was hitting your foot because I need you to move because you're in my way". Yeah....seriously! I was completely stunned but instead of going off I just sorta shook my head and moved over. Honestly I would have liked to have tipped her off that thing like and told her to walk around like the rest of the able bodied people. I realize there are people that need them like elderly or recently injured people. But what ticks me off the most about them are when they hold up a bus line and then you watch the moron get off of it and basically lift it in to the bus. I've seen that happen too and I think most of the crowd was wanting to straight up murder that dude.

Whether she needs it or not, the fact she was causing bodily harm to you for her own benefit, is assault just like if you were to flip her scooter with her on it.

 

[ninjaprincesst]

All that proves is that they have a faster metabolism than you do... I had two uncles, one which ate like normal person and one that would alway wait till everyone else got their food and then eat all that was left which was a huge amount... And you guessed it the one that ate like a human garbage disposal was skinny.... Doesn't mean that what I said was wrong... because if you take anyone in the world and starve them they will not gain weight... the will lose weight until the moment they die. Some people have bodies that require more calories than others but that doesn't mean anyones body can create fat out of nothing. If anything what you describe just means that you need to still eat fewer calories and/or exercise more if you want to lose weight.

 

[ninjaprincesst]

I still argue that is very cut and dry and does not always work that way, some people are just going to be heavier and there is nothing they can do about it. On a regular basic I go 2 to 3 days at a time eating nothing, I have even passed out during martial arts class from not eating and have not lost one pound.

 

[thomas998]

I still argue that is very cut and dry and does not always work that way, some people are just going to be heavier and there is nothing they can do about it. On a regular basic I go 2 to 3 days at a time eating nothing, I have even passed out during martial arts class from not eating and have not lost one pound.

Some people will be heavier depending on their frame. No argument about that. I would suggest if you are actually trying to lose weight that going 2 or 3 days on a regular basis fasting is not the best way to try and lose weight. What you do by going more than a day without food is causing your body to go into preservation mode which will lower the metabolic rate, which means that it will burn fewer calories than it would had you been eating something during those days. Now if you still did not eat for an even longer period of time you would eventually lose weight but it is not a healthy way to do it. Depending on how long you've been doing this you may have already started causing your body to burn some muscle mass which is going to be even worse for you because muscle mass burns calories and lower muscle mass will result in your body needing fewer calories (and if you don't adjust down intake even further). If you really want to lose weight, lower your daily calorie intake but don't fast any days, instead of fasting exercise and specifically do something to increase your muscle mass that will help you burn calories.

 

[aw14]

Some people will be heavier depending on their frame. No argument about that. I would suggest if you are actually trying to lose weight that going 2 or 3 days on a regular basis fasting is not the best way to try and lose weight. What you do by going more than a day without food is causing your body to go into preservation mode which will lower the metabolic rate, which means that it will burn fewer calories than it would had you been eating something during those days. Now if you still did not eat for an even longer period of time you would eventually lose weight but it is not a healthy way to do it. Depending on how long you've been doing this you may have already started causing your body to burn some muscle mass which is going to be even worse for you because muscle mass burns calories and lower muscle mass will result in your body needing fewer calories (and if you don't adjust down intake even further). If you really want to lose weight, lower your daily calorie intake but don't fast any days, instead of fasting exercise and specifically do something to increase your muscle mass that will help you burn calories.

you are correct....fasting is not the way to go and is actually quite unhealthy. I have been a Powerlifter for years, some of which competitive where I needed to make weight. The old statement about exercise and portion control are truly accurate. Its amazing that even at 40 years old, I can still adjust my bodyweight as needed and within a specific timeline.

There are certain tricks I have learned (fasted cardio first thing in the morning, best on an incline surface). But there are really no healthy shortcuts.

 

[jloucks]

Wow, ok...

First, yelling "watch out" does not absolve you from responsibility. No matter the disability you have, if you plow into anybody in a legal location, in any vehicle, you are liable.

Second, WDW is private property, anything happens on private property, the property owner can be liable if any negligence can be attributed to the owner.

Third, here is the negligence. Scooters are NOT wheelchairs. Scooters move way too fast for safe travel in large crowds. WDW, imho, is negligent in allowing small heavy fast motor vehicles to whip around their parks. It amazes me that this continues to be allowed. They are dangerous, period! They need speed regulators and idealy some experience to drive before setting them lose in crowds. Think of them as golf carts or little cars and you have a better picture of liability. Again, not wheelchairs.

Fourth, this should have been treated as a vehicular incident in that the police should be called and a report filed. If anyone plows into me or my family and moderate to major injuries occur, I am likely calling the police and if you try to wheel away, I'm following you with PD on the line and will explore pressing charges for leaving the scene of an accident. Attitude plays a huge roll in how this plays out. You run over my stationary (not darting around) daughter and leave her with minor to moderate injuries and are super apologetic, I'll probably blow it off. You act in any way like you are a victim, or worse belligerent, and we are going to have a situation involving the PD.

Finally, they did at least design the wheels on the scooters correctly. They are air filled and large. When one ran over my foot, it was surprisingly no huge deal. If they were hard plastic, somebody would have been sued.

 

[jloucks]

People walk in front of other people all the time, that's what happens in a crowded park. If your mom doesn't have the reflexes to stop when it happens maybe its time for her to be pushed in a wheel chair. Do you think it is safe for your mom to drive a car on the highway? If you would have reservations about that then do everyone at the parks a favor and don't let her drive a scooter but push her in a wheel chair - when we have taken my wife's mom that's what we do because we know she would be running over people if we let her drive one.

Blunt but true. Reflex time and situational ability should be mandatory in operating a motorized vehicle. If people can dart out in front of you, you have to allow enough time to stop. If this means driving super slow, so be it. If you are too old or slow to drive safely in whatever circumstances, you shouldn't drive.

Traffic laws precedents are pretty clear... Usually, whoever has the front end damage is at fault.