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Safe to panic now (Seas Holes!)
- Thread starter mousermerf
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CaptainMichael
Well-Known Member
Don't forget about the whole Travel Agency ordeal:lol:SirGoofy said:
Buried20KLeague
Well-Known Member
If they were removing it completely, they wouldn't just be poking holes in it.
Relax. It'll be okay. DEEP BREATHS. DEEEEEEEEEP Breaths.
:wave:
Relax. It'll be okay. DEEP BREATHS. DEEEEEEEEEP Breaths.
:wave:
jakeman
Well-Known Member
I don't think we can compare this to the Land fiasco yet.
Mousermerf is just pointing out passionately that there are holes in the mural. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong but I don't think he had said anything about the change being for the worse or it destroying the pavilion. He is just pointing out that a piece of the old Epcot is being hacked away at. I have seen no negative speculation on his part.
With that said, I could care less about the status of the mural, whether they plus it or destroy it. I just don't think the reaction (so far) is on the level of "Missing Balloons=The Fall of Disney".
Mousermerf is just pointing out passionately that there are holes in the mural. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong but I don't think he had said anything about the change being for the worse or it destroying the pavilion. He is just pointing out that a piece of the old Epcot is being hacked away at. I have seen no negative speculation on his part.
With that said, I could care less about the status of the mural, whether they plus it or destroy it. I just don't think the reaction (so far) is on the level of "Missing Balloons=The Fall of Disney".
jedimaster1227
Active Member
My bet is that they are preparing the mural to have Nemo characters attached to it in those spots that just were carved out. They need to re-inforce the back of the mural to support mounted figures.
I still wanna know why they've marked the entire sun to be removed...
NeedABreak
New Member
when i first read this i was expecting a picture of a big hole in the tank or something! You scared the life out of me merf.
I miss old fashion EPCOT. I guess I'll have to settle for the new Epcot, I just hope it looks good at the end.
I miss old fashion EPCOT. I guess I'll have to settle for the new Epcot, I just hope it looks good at the end.
What I am worried about...
That some not-so-bright in WDI honstly thinks it's acceptable to cover a mural by placing panels of printed material over it on a frame, mostly just obscuring the object while destroying it from the mounting points too.
This happened in DL's tomorrowland and i'm very concerned they might try it here too. I am reserving judgement until i see the finished product, but I am really hoping no one thinks that printed panel crap is "progress."
That some not-so-bright in WDI honstly thinks it's acceptable to cover a mural by placing panels of printed material over it on a frame, mostly just obscuring the object while destroying it from the mounting points too.
This happened in DL's tomorrowland and i'm very concerned they might try it here too. I am reserving judgement until i see the finished product, but I am really hoping no one thinks that printed panel crap is "progress."
Skippy
Well-Known Member
If they were destroying it, why does it seem, from the pictures and spray painted markings, like it's being done with care. If they plan on enhancing the sun portion of the mural, and en route to doing this need to take out pieces of it carefully, then this is logical to be taking place. Now if they we're taking the mural apart with sledge hammers I'd be getting nervous.
Moreso little, well actually fairly large, dremmel-tools - maybe it's a grinder? Anywho, a spinning round blade on the end of something the size of an average drill and then hammers. They're cutting (like scoring) then lobbing off pieces.
uglybug2005
New Member
mousermerf said:
The murals at Disneyland's Tomorrowland were ceramic tile murals. The only way to remove those tiles would have been to pry them off, shattering them in the process. Knowing that such an act of *desecration* (Walt would have called it getting rid of something old and irrelevant to make way for something new and exciting) would spark a hateful, fever-pitched furor among many DL APers, the folks at WDI tried to preserve the original tiles while presenting new well-themed murals. Yes, the way they chose to attach the new murals caused some damage to the tiles, but it didn't destroy them. [History is very important in this company, but simply being old does not make something sacred or unremovable. Sadly, many *faithful fans* have lost sight of that concept, which I'm sure would dismay Walt, since one of the ideas that really attracted him to creating a theme park was that every element of it could be changed without anything but imagination as the limit... I digress...]
The Seas Mural is not made of ceramic tiles and (like pretty much everything at WDW) was not intended to last forever. If the new exterior design calls for an identical mural, and they are removing rotten or damaged pieces, when it is finished you will not be able to tell. If the new exterior design includes a mural that has a different appearance, that mural will serve the purposes of the new story and it won't matter what was there before or what is underneath or behind (it's a facade, after all). Either way, the fact that there are holes in a wall on a building that is under construction is really not that big of a deal. Aren't there more pressing matters? If you want to focus on changes around WDW, why not look at something that is completed, adds to the story being told, and is pretty neat... For instance the cannons that recently appeared on the hill between Mme Leota's cart and the Haunted Mansion. Pretty cool if you ask me.
A new land for some folks
I have an idea for the WDW planning folks, why not add Luddite Land, a place where nothing ever changes.
It they do take it down it will be sort-a kind-a sad but it may be something much better in its place, and if not then I will wait for the next overhaul.
I hope they never get to the point where they are too timid to try something bold and new because they risk offending, if they have only success then they are not being daring enough.
I have an idea for the WDW planning folks, why not add Luddite Land, a place where nothing ever changes.
It they do take it down it will be sort-a kind-a sad but it may be something much better in its place, and if not then I will wait for the next overhaul.
I hope they never get to the point where they are too timid to try something bold and new because they risk offending, if they have only success then they are not being daring enough.
hypercatmatt04
Member
Perhaps the pieces fell off and they are repairing them.
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PintoColvig
Active Member
Disney should have made a media event out of this. Maybe call in Geraldo and have him do a live broadcast of them opening what is believed to be a secret vault of Walt's. Waddaya think? 
Since the space does appear to be hollow, one does wonder what could be in there..
And as for the "rotting" beleif - from what I could tell, it looked perfectly preserved on the inside of the holes. No sign of mold, water damage, rust, or even dirt/grime/dust from the years. The wood looked new and the metal was spotless. Of course they could have cut out the bad parts *shrug*
And as for the "rotting" beleif - from what I could tell, it looked perfectly preserved on the inside of the holes. No sign of mold, water damage, rust, or even dirt/grime/dust from the years. The wood looked new and the metal was spotless. Of course they could have cut out the bad parts *shrug*
1disneydood
Active Member
Update, update, update. I wish the world would go on a spree, removing all traces of 70's-80's architecture and deco. I grew up in the 70's-80's. It wasn't that great to where we have to historicly preserve all architecture built in a time where most of America decorated like they were stoned or lit. :lol:
IMO FWIW.
IMO FWIW.
phillipsa9
New Member
i hope the whole mural goes... EPCOt needs serious updates... there is nothing timeless about the architecture and decor... its 80's and thats all there is to it. the 80s have nothing to do with the theming of future world.
what would be cool is if disney had a place, like a museum of sorts, where retired rides, attraction signs, etc. could go... im sure the idea of a museum type place has come up on the boards before, it could be pretty cool i think
what would be cool is if disney had a place, like a museum of sorts, where retired rides, attraction signs, etc. could go... im sure the idea of a museum type place has come up on the boards before, it could be pretty cool i think