Safe to panic now (Seas Holes!)

[PintoColvig]

I'd help if they opened up the 'northwestern passage' around the back of communicore... the way the layout is now makes it very easy to overlook the Seas...

Was that NW passage open in the past? I don't remember it.

 

[Enderikari]

The murals at Disneyland's Tomorrowland were ceramic tile murals. The only way to remove those tiles would have been to pry them off, shattering them in the process. Knowing that such an act of *desecration* (Walt would have called it getting rid of something old and irrelevant to make way for something new and exciting) would spark a hateful, fever-pitched furor among many DL APers, the folks at WDI tried to preserve the original tiles while presenting new well-themed murals. Yes, the way they chose to attach the new murals caused some damage to the tiles, but it didn't destroy them. [History is very important in this company, but simply being old does not make something sacred or unremovable. Sadly, many *faithful fans* have lost sight of that concept, which I'm sure would dismay Walt, since one of the ideas that really attracted him to creating a theme park was that every element of it could be changed without anything but imagination as the limit... I digress...]
The Seas Mural is not made of ceramic tiles and (like pretty much everything at WDW) was not intended to last forever. If the new exterior design calls for an identical mural, and they are removing rotten or damaged pieces, when it is finished you will not be able to tell. If the new exterior design includes a mural that has a different appearance, that mural will serve the purposes of the new story and it won't matter what was there before or what is underneath or behind (it's a facade, after all). Either way, the fact that there are holes in a wall on a building that is under construction is really not that big of a deal. Aren't there more pressing matters? If you want to focus on changes around WDW, why not look at something that is completed, adds to the story being told, and is pretty neat... For instance the cannons that recently appeared on the hill between Mme Leota's cart and the Haunted Mansion. Pretty cool if you ask me.

See what happens when you make a logical, well-thought out point? You are completely ignored by the doom-sayers.. Well said UglyBug, I just hope some people are intelligent enough to understand what you are saying

 

[planet7]

It was EXACTLY like that for the Land refurb...but worse. The day the Land reopened, everyone praised it.:brick: :hammer: :lol:

Count me out of "everyone". I hoped it wasn't as bad as the pictures I'd seen, but on a recent trip, I discovered that indeed it was. The new entrance area is very nice. I love the new signage and all. But the interior is stark, sterile, soulless, disjointed, and a traffic nightmare. It absolutely reeks of being done "on the cheap", lacking imagination, and shoe-horning Soarin' into the pavilion.

G7

 

[planet7]

Walt would have called it getting rid of something old and irrelevant to make way for something new and exciting

The difference is, Walt would have put in something "new and exciting" the replacement murals looked cheap and tacky to me.

And--before anyone injures themselves jumping to conclusions, based on this and the previous post--no, I am not averse to change. I'm only averse to change for the worse. There's a difference, and too many people fail to understand that.

G7

 

[hypercatmatt04]

BLASPHEMY!!!

When they came for the wall carpet... I said nothing
When they came for the handwiches... I did not speak out
When they came for the murals... there was no one left to speak out

I read a quote similar to that in my History book.

 

[wannab@dis]

The difference is, Walt would have put in something "new and exciting" the replacement murals looked cheap and tacky to me.

And--before anyone injures themselves jumping to conclusions, based on this and the previous post--no, I am not averse to change. I'm only averse to change for the worse. There's a difference, and too many people fail to understand that.

G7

Problem is there are so many around here that say they are for change but against bad change... but they claim everything is change for the worse. What's the difference? It's all subjective.

Walt is dead. It's about time people figure that out and quit invoking his name as a declaritive for or against their personal opinions.

If you don't like the new Land... fine. But also admit that most like it and guests are flocking there like never before. Sounds like success to me.

 

[packwingfn]

When is The Living Seas supposed to re-open anyway?

 

[Lee]

I am not averse to change. I'm only averse to change for the worse. There's a difference, and too many people fail to understand that.

What people fail to understand is that change is subjective. What is good to me, may be bad to others. It's all opinion. Nobody is more right.
To me...the Land looks much better now...but that's my opinion and need not be shared by anyone else.

 

[travelskip]

Gorram right Lee.

 

[Enderikari]

Shiny!

 

[Captain Chaos]

What people fail to understand is that change is subjective. What is good to me, may be bad to others. It's all opinion. Nobody is more right.
To me...the Land looks much better now...but that's my opinion and need not be shared by anyone else.

Totally agree Lee. I think the Land looks awesome....

 

[Fievel]

I'm onboard with any changes for "The Seas". It was getting terribly outdated, and I haven't even been inside the last few trips I've been there, just because nothing has changed.

That being said, I severely doubt the mural is going away. It looks like they are poking holes in the mural for eletrical junction boxes. I worked construction during college, and if they were tearing out the whole thing, they wouldn't be doing it like that. I'd guess either some kind of neon lighting, or perhaps lit nemo and friends on top of the mural.

That's all speculation, but - as I said - I don't think the mural is in danger.

 

[epcot2004]

Correct! That's how disney does everything these days. As cheaply and non-imaginative as possible. That's why it's sad to see the old stuff go because "you" know it won't have the same character and thought as the original idea.

Count me out of "everyone". I hoped it wasn't as bad as the pictures I'd seen, but on a recent trip, I discovered that indeed it was. The new entrance area is very nice. I love the new signage and all. But the interior is stark, sterile, soulless, disjointed, and a traffic nightmare. It absolutely reeks of being done "on the cheap", lacking imagination, and shoe-horning Soarin' into the pavilion.

G7

 

[Enderikari]

Correct! That's how disney does everything these days. As cheaply and non-imaginative as possible. That's why it's sad to see the old stuff go because "you" know it won't have the same character and thought as the original idea.

Hello uniformed, wrong-headed opinion... Do you ever stop for a moment to think about what you are saying? Cheaply, are you joking? You must be joking because that's the most illogical thing I have ever heard... Of course, I would hate to be the one to make the facts mess up your little reality, but look at the last few attractions Disney has opened, and the bank they have been dropping to fix up older attractions. A 100-million dollars was dropped on both Expedition:Everest, and Mission: Space, leveraging new technologies to tell stories that are appropriate to its location in the theme park...

Stop believing everything you read from uniformed "Fans" on the internet, think for yourself, and see the world around you

 

[barnum42]

leveraging new technologies

Ouch! Corporate BS Terminology Alert! :lol:

Sorry, could not resist. There are some corporate buzz words that make me tweak :wave:

 

[lnsemsf]

BLASPHEMY!!!

When they came for the wall carpet... I said nothing
When they came for the handwiches... I did not speak out
When they came for the murals... there was no one left to speak out

Not enough people make the comparison of paint on the wall with the Holocaust. Though my question is how come when I compared Wonders of Life to Terry Schiavo I got a ' and nobody cares about the trivialization of the extermination of millions? Out of current events, out of mind I guess.

 

[mousermerf]

I think the rule is that it takes a tragic event 20 years to be funny.

 

[Enderikari]

Ouch! Corporate BS Terminology Alert! :lol:

Sorry, could not resist. There are some corporate buzz words that make me tweak :wave:

Sorry.... "Using Cool New Stuff"

Is that better?

 

[mousermerf]

New Technology does not make anything good. It is a novelty that fades.

A good thematic statement and follow-through are important. Those things stay and are understood years later, when we look back at technology and laugh at how dated it is.

 

[barnum42]

Sorry.... "Using Cool New Stuff"

Is that better?

Ahh, that sounds more betterer!